Posted - 2010.12.10 07:48:00 - [2]

 

Or you could get a salvager of your own and leave no wrecks behind. Huh, thinking is fun.

Posted - 2010.12.10 08:03:00 - [4]

 

Maybe you should man up, get out of your mission hub, periodically place locator agents on him and go gank him (suicide or not) when he is in a ship he values.

Oh wait, you are a hypocrite, disregard.

However, ignoring the ******ation of someone who missions at a mission hub and refuses to consider moving elsewhere to avoid the ninja salvagers calling the ninja salvagers pussies, this is just another reason why the bounty system need to be fixed.

Posted - 2010.12.10 09:40:00 - [6]

 

Jeebus, not this crud again.... grow up and stop crying. There are so many ways to avoid ninja salvagers, they have been posted time and time again, but still people come here crying about this.

Seeing as we havent had any GM quotes posted in here, I will add one that you really need to read!

Originally by: CCP Prism X

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"If you're surprised as to why the server does not consider it your stuff, it's because it's a mini profession designed for people who want to roam and look for salvage, not to further increase the revenue from mission grinding.. I doubt anyone with a perspective thinks we need to high-sec increase mission grinding any further.

"EVE is a really hostile game. We love how hostile it is.. we never meant for it to be a breeze."

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Posted - 2010.12.10 10:26:00 - [8]

 

Oh yeah, aggress my salvage frigate, see what happens

Please make salvaging aggress us.

Posted - 2010.12.10 11:01:00 - [10]

 

Originally by: Torothanax

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You all at CCP are liars. You say eve is a harsh universe. You say survival of the fittest is the rule. That the winner takes all. That the most ruthless and powerful lead. But I call BS.

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EVE is a harsh universe? Sure.

Survival of the fittest? Most certainly.

Winner takes all? In some circumstances.

The most ruthless and powerful lead? Definitely not.

You don't have to take control through brute force.

A cloaky ship in a 0.0 alliance's ratting system can bring activity to a halt as the residents dock up, log off and sit at their POS, waiting for the potential threat to subside. A spy hiding among the ranks of a corporation could lay quiet for months, just waiting for the chance to tackle a friendly supercap, make a huge corp theft or provide valuable intel to the spy's handler.

Do either of the above examples involve brute force? Definitely not!

Don't think that big guns make you a big man. The beauty of EVE is that you don't have to have big guns to take control. Intelligence, wit, patience and a good plan can lead to glory, victory and wealth without having to fire a single shot. If you haven't realised that yet, you need to seriously take another look at the game you're playing!

And the consequence of being a ninja salvager is that there is a huge opportunity cost to ninja salvaging, if all they do is salvage. They could likely make a lot more ISK (in the long term) if they train up to fly a PvE ship and run the missions themselves. As soon as they loot wrecks, the ISK they make will increase substantially, but they become a target for your guns. That's what most ninja salvagers want you to do ...

Posted - 2010.12.10 12:39:00 - [12]

 

Edited by: Jacob Menard on 10/12/2010 12:43:02
That long term plan doesn't net you anything while your still new at the game. New players need income to buy skillbooks and new ships.
Also, without the mission runners, you can kiss goodbye to all the Navy stuff everyone loves to buy like Imperial Navy Armor Reppersor Federation Magnetic Field Stabilizers. These items take LOYALTY POINTS, which are only obtainable through mission running and isk/items/tags to purchase.

On the other hand, for TOROTHANAX, you could use something smaller than a Battleship as most ninjas only probe for that size ship, sometimes Battlecruisers (get a strat cruiser, they do level 4s just fine and mostly likely wont be on a probers list).
DON'T destroy Sentry Guns and Sentry Towers in missions. If a salvager comes in to a room you have left and the gun towers are still there, he will bug out fast because he will be targeted and blown up real quick. (for example, room 3 of angel extrav.)

One more thing. The mission with the Pleasure Gardens. Let a ninja salvager get close to that, blow it up, and the explosion takes him out too, and you don't get Concorded for it.

Posted - 2010.12.10 18:22:00 - [14]

 

Originally by: Kara Sharalien

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Maybe you should man up, get out of your mission hub, periodically place locator agents on him and go gank him (suicide or not) when he is in a ship he values.

Oh wait, you are a hypocrite, disregard.

However, ignoring the ******ation of someone who missions at a mission hub and refuses to consider moving elsewhere to avoid the ninja salvagers calling the ninja salvagers pussies, this is just another reason why the bounty system need to be fixed.

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Someone who's been playing for less then a month flies something worth ganking?

I mission is a system with maybe 40 people average. I've had to relocate at least 8 times in the last 4 1/2 years. Why should I be the one to have to keep moving? I don't even mission all that often. I hate the boredom. And ninja only lengthen the process. The one reason I run missions is to fund pvp. I'm rather good at stretching my isk so I can spend most of my game time out in the war zone. Occasionally though I have to run missions and sometimes I get sent to a nearby semi populated system after I've already turned down a mission. Like around 100 people in local. That's not exactly a mission hub is it? I don't get to exactly get to pick where my missions are do I?

I don't mission in a hub. I mission in a battle ship that is rather uncommon for mission. I pop my wrecks if anyone shows up. They still get any and all salvage in the early rooms, AND if it's faction navy or drones I'm killing, I lose out on the tags/drone poo. I have to shoot myself in the foot to deter someone I should just be able to shoot at. Plus they get to annoy me. Why are we coddling these people?

I say again, there needs to be a down side to ninja salvaging. A reason to not do it.

Posted - 2010.12.10 19:23:00 - [16]

 

tothe op you cant be a verry good missoin ***** if you dont know this button combo that will put an end to all ur ninja looter fears just hold ctrl and type massquest this will end your tears and end your worry about ninjahs

Posted - 2010.12.10 20:35:00 - [18]

 

Oh noez someone "stole" worthless junk from you!

Most of the time I have found I can make money faster by not salvaging and just blowing through missions for bounties/LP. If a ninja comes in my mission I don't mind because they are taking junk I don't want anyway. I even get a good laugh when they try to bait me into attacking them.

If I do want to salvage, I salvage at the same time as I am running the mission, so if a ninja warps in, they will see few or no wrecks and just warp off.

Posted - 2010.12.10 20:43:00 - [20]

 

So, if "there is absolutely no reason to not ninja someone else's loot" why are you not a ninja? It is clearly the best way to make money, after all. Here's a suggestion: stop crying, start shooting. Use your own ship, or a better-fitted PVP ship, or an alt, or corp-mates (as theft aggresses the thief to your whole corp).

Or you can proceed with your bearing and get a fully fit battleship in the time the ninja gets an assault frigate.

Posted - 2010.12.10 21:40:00 - [22]

 

Was thinking 2/10

Now thinking 6/10

Good job bringing back the oldies-but-goodies.

Posted - 2010.12.11 04:05:00 - [24]

 

Edited by: Toric Gaul on 11/12/2010 04:06:28
I too hate, er love the ninja salvage. much good fun to be had in the tears of care types.

Posted - 2010.12.12 02:39:00 - [26]

 

For the record, I like the guys that come in and flag themselves. I get a cheap easy kill and then we both come back in pvp ships and I usually get another kill. Breaks up the boredom of mission running. It's the free loading cowards that haven't payed thier dues that **** me off.

Posted - 2010.12.12 04:49:00 - [28]

 

Edited by: Black Dranzer on 12/12/2010 04:49:40
I really am halfway on the Ninja Salvager debate.

I get the idea; You can't make claim to garbage. Except, you know, it really isn't garbage. Often times the salvage of a battleship is worth more than the bounty and the module drops combined. Saying it takes "specialized equipment and skills" is pretty weak too considering that the prerequisites for a salvager are paltry, not to mention the salvagers themselves are dirt cheap. Hell, I'm not even sure if salvaging skills increase the quality of the salvage you get outside of T2 wrecks; I'm pretty sure they just decrease the time it takes.

You know what I'd be in favor of? Making salvaging a "looting crime", but letting ninja salvagers use tractor beams on wrecks that aren't theirs. Now that, that I could approve of! Hell, I might get into ninja salvaging myself in that were the case. But otherwise, saying that mission runners should "man up and accept ninjas" is the same argument as saying that ninja salvagers should "man up and take a looting flag". One alternative does not gain precedence over the other simply because it's the current state of affairs. Judge everything on its own merits.

Posted - 2010.12.12 09:42:00 - [30]

 

Don't bash the bottomfeeders. Let them bottomfeed. They aren't ninjas. They are jackals.