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Topic |
masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2010.12.08 01:37:00 - [ 1]
1. I own a tengu. I can use them.
2. I honestly think the ability to fit an interdiction nullifier + a covops subsystem is broken. Covops and recons already pass through bubble camps easily, but the ability for a tengu to warp cloaked and ignore bubbles is.....stupid.
I think that the 50% damage reduction isn't good enough, they are basically the new cloaky hauler.
Make it either or. |
Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect |
Posted - 2010.12.08 01:52:00 - [ 2]
T3s are fine. I wouldn't train for a Tengu JUST to be able to haul. But if someone wants to spend all that time, and money for a T3, I don't see a problem. |
AFK WithProbesOut |
Posted - 2010.12.08 01:52:00 - [ 3]
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Fulkurth |
Posted - 2010.12.08 01:56:00 - [ 4]
Guys cloaker in local!
DOCK UP! |
masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2010.12.08 01:58:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Fulkurth
Guys cloaker in local!
DOCK UP!
no lol more like tengu jumps into bubble *cloak war* fc: "feck" |
Mishikaii |
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:37:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Fulkurth
Guys cloaker in local!
DOCK UP!
He's been there for a couple hours, I think its safe to rat, must be afk. |
Black Dranzer
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:39:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: Mishikaii
He's been there for a couple hours, I think its safe to rat, must be afk.
NO YOU FOOL HE'LL UNCLOAK AND DROP A FLEET OF TITANS ON US |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.08 04:03:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: masternerdguy
I honestly think the ability to fit an interdiction nullifier + a covops subsystem is broken. Covops and recons already pass through bubble camps easily, but the ability for a tengu to warp cloaked and ignore bubbles is.....stupid.
I think that the 50% damage reduction isn't good enough, they are basically the new cloaky hauler.
Make it either or.
In other words, the only thing that's remotely able to go through gate camps and can undock into a bubble and larger than a frigate should be nerfed? What's the REAL problem? What's the problem with a ship fitted this way after it got through your bubble-camp? What does it do that you can't stand? |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2010.12.08 04:06:00 - [ 9]
He paid 400+mil for so called "Cloaky hauler." Investing so much in a "Cloaky hauler" and you should be able to do something that a normal "Cloaky hauler" can't. Besides, Tengus don't exactly have amazing cargo space... |
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp |
Posted - 2010.12.08 04:42:00 - [ 10]
The problem is that there is no counter to it. We need t3 interdictors or something that can stop them.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly |
Posted - 2010.12.08 04:44:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Lord Jita
The problem is that there is no counter to it. We need t3 interdictors or something that can stop them.
You need to be able to prevent the prevention from preventing the original action. This is why denying the denial is a bad game play concept. Damage is done. Countering the counter's counter is even worse off than what you got now. |
Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
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Posted - 2010.12.08 04:56:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Culmen on 08/12/2010 04:57:13 Originally by: rain9441
Originally by: Lord Jita
The problem is that there is no counter to it. We need t3 interdictors or something that can stop them.
You need to be able to prevent the prevention from preventing the original action.
This is why denying the denial is a bad game play concept.
Damage is done. Countering the counter's counter is even worse off than what you got now.
Seconded. Also since ECM is countered by ECCM. We need a counter to ECCM, so give us ECCCM But then we need a counter for that so ECCCCM then ECCCCCM, then ECCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCCM then ECCCCCCCCCCM .... .... and so on |
Omara Otawan |
Posted - 2010.12.08 04:58:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Omara Otawan on 08/12/2010 05:00:54
You can still catch them, its just a lot of effort and you need a specialized camp setup.
I do find it odd and a little out of whack that you have to jump through a lot more hoops to catch a 400mill cruiser than to catch a 25+ billion supercap though. 400mill is chump change afterall, and easily affordable in your first 6 months in game.
Oh, and as far as hauling goes, you can store billions of isk in that small cargohold without putting any BPOs in there. But then again, with jump bridges, jump freighters and such that isnt really of much concern. |
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp |
Posted - 2010.12.08 05:00:00 - [ 14]
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders |
Posted - 2010.12.08 05:04:00 - [ 15]
anyone who has a problem with T3 ships is a national socialist |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University |
Posted - 2010.12.08 05:23:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/12/2010 05:23:52
In order for a T3 to actually do something it has to uncloak. If you want to kill one bad enough chase him and probe his ass down.
Everyone is so used to being spoon-fed PvP by gatecamps. |
Kira Sosuke
Minmatar |
Posted - 2010.12.08 05:36:00 - [ 17]
T3's arent overpowered at all. infact they need buffed.
right now a covert fit null fit t3 is weak. so weak it cant do anything but simply evade gate camps. so a combat ship becomes a 400mill hauler for 500m3 cargo. fail.
they need to buff all t3's to have more innate resists or something. that way slots can be used on more dps mods. right now u try to hybrid a t3 and u either kill insanely slow but tank anything or kill decently fast but die fast too. so if anything u could say they are balanced. but by no means call them OP.
so:
T3's are underpowered, not overpowered.
Original poster obviously is annoyed that t3's are getting thru his gate camps.
also, hint, focused warp disruption script nullifies the nullifer. :P im surprised no one mentioned that counter yet 15 posts into the discussion. =/ |
Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.12.08 05:41:00 - [ 18]
Erm guys OP is a ******ed troll and world reknowned **** poster, look at his terrible posting history and stop biting  |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University |
Posted - 2010.12.08 05:46:00 - [ 19]
I thought so too at first, but i think he's serious. |
AstarothPrime |
Posted - 2010.12.08 06:50:00 - [ 20]
This must be a joke... is covops nullifier tengu hauling cargo all you can think of? Tbh annoying deep negative nulsec and killing officers in sov systems unseen is 100 times better use for that ship. By the logic you are driven - then jumpfreighters are overpowered as well no? They can jump thru 20 systems and not use gates at all. Its basically invulnerable to any kind of camp  and it hauls almost a million m3 of stuffz. I. |
AstarothPrime |
Posted - 2010.12.08 06:53:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Kira Sosuke
also, hint, focused warp disruption script nullifies the nullifer. :P im surprised no one mentioned that counter yet 15 posts into the discussion. =/
Any point nullifies the nullifier, the point is that you cant target it due to being cloaky. Its basically as safe as cloaky hauler in lowsec - which cant be stopped in space in laggless and idiotless environment using only game mechanics. I. |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.12.08 07:13:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Everyone is so used to being spoon-fed PvP by gatecamps.
This, really, is the heart of the problem. I'm not sure how much sense choke points really make in a space game. -Liang |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide. |
Posted - 2010.12.08 07:15:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Asuka Smith
anyone who has a problem with T3 ships is a national socialist
Yeap, cause both are aware of what's going on. |
Sturmwolke |
Posted - 2010.12.08 07:35:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: masternerdguy
1. I own a Nyx, Aeon, Wyvern and Hel. I can use them.
2. I honestly think the un-stoppable supercarriers in lowsec is broken. Normal carriers die too easily, but the ability for a supercarrier to laugh at anything but a blob of hictors is.....stupid.
I think that the immunity to normal/POS warp scramble is too much, they are basically the new I win wtfpwnzorbbq button.
Make it either or.
These aren't the T3s you're looking for .. it can go about it's own business. Move along. |
Evanga
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.12.08 07:44:00 - [ 25]
instalock stileto? |
Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.08 07:47:00 - [ 26]
They get caught. No change necessary imo. |
syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.12.08 08:06:00 - [ 27]
If week old noobs can catch them, they aren't so hot.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance |
Posted - 2010.12.08 08:56:00 - [ 28]
Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
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Jayme Meladi |
Posted - 2010.12.08 09:01:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Evanga
instalock stileto?
If the pilot is good you are not going to catch a t3 cov ops/nullifier....which is fine because there is no other counter to bubble camping nonsense, an issue exaggerated by the stupid concept of bottlenecks in space. Its not as if they can do anything BUT run until they are able to dock somewhere and swap subsystems. |
Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2010.12.08 09:13:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: masternerdguy
1. I own a tengu. I can use them.
2. I honestly think the ability to fit an interdiction nullifier + a covops subsystem is broken. Covops and recons already pass through bubble camps easily, but the ability for a tengu to warp cloaked and ignore bubbles is.....stupid.
I think that the 50% damage reduction isn't good enough, they are basically the new cloaky hauler.
Make it either or.
I fly tengu too, a lot. I dont see how fitting a cloak sub which makes your dps less than a caracel without the extra luancher sub is all that bad news. You get caught ONCE in that T3 and thats your 500m down the pan plus your pod. covops and recons get through bubbles sort of okay and cost 1/5 of the price. At least there is only one way to be bubble immune in game and it costs 500m, some will whine about price not being a defining factor, but it really is in many cases. Tengu maybe be a *bit* overpowered compared in some cases to other t3s, but the bubble immune sub itself is not. I bet theres few t3s killed with a rack of expanders and the nullifier sub. |
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