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Mucous |
Posted - 2011.04.03 12:39:00 - [ 2131]
Outuni is aperfect baromter of how banning the bots is going.
There is any where fron 50-110 players in the system at all times. I live there, undock there and see the bot retreivers/hulks/macanaws running back and forth from the ice belt 23/7. When ever I undock I will be garenteed to have one of the mining ships coming out of the station at the same time. I won't bore you with more details.
I use to report them but that process showed itself to be a waste of time and effort.
When I see the player count drop in system and less single mining ships warping back and forth from field to station...then that will tell me CCP is doing somthing.
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Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance |
Posted - 2011.04.03 13:22:00 - [ 2132]
Nice unholy rage there OP  |
Elyssa MacLeod |
Posted - 2011.04.03 15:37:00 - [ 2133]
 Originally by: Discrodia
Nice unholy rage there OP
Is it funny that this unholy rage seems to have had far more of an effect than the actual one? |
Ban Doga |
Posted - 2011.04.03 15:46:00 - [ 2134]
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
If you are interpreting me expressing to you what our responsibilities are as being arrogant than I apologize, but the fact of the matter is that the EULA and TOS are pretty clear and until we amend them to say otherwise I'd follow what they say because that's what you're agreeing to when you play EVE.
Since the EULA and TOS are pretty clear can we assume that GM Lelouch's assessment ("Synergy is fine") is accurate? Can you confirm or deny this (maybe after reviewing the software)? I think the point is that the EULA does not appear to be clear at all on some points (eg what is "inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account") and stating that it is clear in your opinion does not really change this. I guess it would be more helpful to make a precise statement about the issue at hand (multiboxing) than repeating "we say what we say". If such a statement cannot be made this probably indicates that the matter is not as clear as suggested. |
dexington
Caldari
Baconoration |
Posted - 2011.04.03 17:22:00 - [ 2135]
Originally by: Ban Doga
Since the EULA and TOS are pretty clear can we assume that GM Lelouch's assessment ("Synergy is fine") is accurate?
I think it's safe to assume that CCP Sreegs don't support the assessment of GM Lelouch, he just don't have the balls to say it. He keeps saying the same BS about reading the EULA, trying to avoid giving a straight answer. If he shared the same opinion as GM Lelouch he would just say so, and not keep saying that even a ****** could find the answer in the EULA, when not even the CCP employees seem to agree on what the EULA says on this subject. |
Titus Phook |
Posted - 2011.04.03 20:06:00 - [ 2136]
Lets face it, CCP Sreegs is about as evasive on the legitimacy of synergy and the like as a politician is when asked about his expenses.
If GM's and the security team have differing views of the EULA & ToS what hope have the players got of getting a clear view of what is allowed & what is not.
The security team need to sit down and talk to the GMs that have said x software is ok and formulate a company line from there. If there's not already one in place for CCP staff & volunteers to refer to then put one in place, as it is we are at the mercy of an individuals understanding of what it says. |
Paul Mustaka Hekard |
Posted - 2011.04.03 20:35:00 - [ 2137]
Edited by: Paul Mustaka Hekard on 03/04/2011 20:36:28
Corporations of any size develop and maintain written policy on anything that bears on legal issues. The TOS and EULA, I would imagine, have such backup. However....just like any other corporation, getting the policies consistently enforced can be a problem. I doubt there is any literal ambiguity to the policies, just employees who fail to execute them.
I have a special term for employees like that in my organization; ex-employees. Sometimes also known as expediently terminated employees. |
Slate Shoa |
Posted - 2011.04.03 22:25:00 - [ 2138]
A long time ago, I advocated making null-sec local like w-space local as a way to make it more difficult for botters (side effect: and consequently real players too) to thrive in null-sec. Someone then made me aware that it was possible to sniff the network traffic to see if someone is in local, regardless of what is displayed to the player. That threw a wrench into the idea of changing null-sec local...
From the security presentation it seemed like there is a desire by the security team to detect players sniffing the network traffic, and punish accordingly. Assuming that the security team is able to detect sniffing traffic, does this mean that nerfing null-sec local is now a viable option?
Yes there's d-scan, but that's only scans to ~14 au (I think).
Opinions anyone? |
Vincent Athena |
Posted - 2011.04.03 22:47:00 - [ 2139]
Ive been looking for evidence for bot reduction in the Jita market
PLEX prices have started to drop, but that could be the end of PLEX for good and rage-quits due to the anomaly nerf. But some could be bot accounts being closed.
Mineral prices seem stable, so nothing there. But there are alot of sources of minerals other than macro miners. May take awhile for a effect to be seen here.
Ice product prices have increased about 10% in the last few days. Ice mining is one of the most heavily macroed activities because its so easy. This may indicate CCP is in fact doing something. |
dexington
Caldari
Baconoration |
Posted - 2011.04.03 23:45:00 - [ 2140]
Originally by: Slate Shoa
A long time ago, I advocated making null-sec local like w-space local as a way to make it more difficult for botters (side effect: and consequently real players too) to thrive in null-sec. Someone then made me aware that it was possible to sniff the network traffic to see if someone is in local, regardless of what is displayed to the player. That threw a wrench into the idea of changing null-sec local...
The server could just stop send the local chat information, then there is nothing to sniff. Originally by: Slate Shoa
From the security presentation it seemed like there is a desire by the security team to detect players sniffing the network traffic, and punish accordingly. Assuming that the security team is able to detect sniffing traffic, does this mean that nerfing null-sec local is now a viable option?
Itīs possible to detect network analyzers running on the same computer as the eve client, but itīs easy to setup firewall rules that make it impossible to detect sniffers running on other computers and the same network. CCP canīt stop anyone with two computers and half a brain from sniffing the client server connection. |
moneykeeper |
Posted - 2011.04.03 23:57:00 - [ 2141]
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration |
Posted - 2011.04.04 00:06:00 - [ 2142]
Edited by: dexington on 04/04/2011 00:07:25 Originally by: moneykeeper
Ever heared of encryption?
Running like 50K ssl connections are not something you want to do unless you really have to, it takes a lot more resources to do encryption. And it may still be possible to detect players, just by monitoring the network traffic, if a player joining local generates a special traffic pattern. |
Elyssa MacLeod |
Posted - 2011.04.04 04:28:00 - [ 2143]
Originally by: Titus Phook
If GM's and the security team have differing views of the EULA & ToS what hope have the players got of getting a clear view of what is allowed & what is not.
none, and im betting they back up banhammering ppl they want sometimes and not others in the same cases with the "we can terminate ppl whenever we want" section in the eula or TOS I cant remember which. Its not fair, but then it doesnt have to be either, and it doesnt seem like CCP cares wether or not we think its fair. |
Calistai Huranu
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation |
Posted - 2011.04.04 07:14:00 - [ 2144]
Weeks vacation over for ccp sreegs, so any news on when we get the Devblog on this? |
Elyssa MacLeod |
Posted - 2011.04.04 08:02:00 - [ 2145]
Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 04/04/2011 08:04:19 Originally by: Calistai Huranu
Weeks vacation over for ccp sreegs, so any news on when we get the Devblog on this?
I wonder if we arent too mean for him now lol Id rather like to see them come together and talk TO EACH OTHER on the synergy issue and issue a statement. Theyre acting like they arent in the same company and dont have internal emails or ffs cant talk to each other in person for that matter |
Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.04.04 13:03:00 - [ 2146]
Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 04/04/2011 08:04:19
Originally by: Calistai Huranu
Weeks vacation over for ccp sreegs, so any news on when we get the Devblog on this?
I wonder if we arent too mean for him now lol
Id rather like to see them come together and talk TO EACH OTHER on the synergy issue and issue a statement. Theyre acting like they arent in the same company and dont have internal emails or ffs cant talk to each other in person for that matter
They dont and they cant. Read up about Agility or whatever the buzzword is for the developing method they are using. Basically its a slave labour where someone decides your goals for you, gives you few days to implement them and then you spend half that time jerking each other in the circle in the team meeting, next you fail to implement half of those goals but there is no time for delays or fixes so they are abandoned and you get NEW set of goals that you have to spend time talking about and then fail to implement. There is no time for talking to other teams as every team has to waste time in their own circle. Thats how PI happened. They had a list of goals, and they only managed 2-3 out of 10 in time but they still released cos AGILITY is all about releasing. |
Elyssa MacLeod |
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:42:00 - [ 2147]
So Agility basically means destroy the game
ah I get it |
riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:16:00 - [ 2148]
You know... I wasn't joking with that CCP setting up shop as an RMT blackmarket retailer story on april 1st, that was the actual joke... anyone with access to the logs in NC GenStab jabber for Feb 4 sure will know the full story and who I was referring to. CCP is this why my account now disconect every 30 secs into login in?  The plan was sound, but for how long... time to shut down and re-tool  Oh yes I have been naughty...   R |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.04 15:59:00 - [ 2149]
Edited by: Othran on 04/04/2011 15:59:57Part 1 of "who is RoidRipper*" is complete - whois is populated, so you can see the registrants address; Part 2 is now in progress - time to get a real registrant name or the domain gets suspended. Nominet is on the case as we speak; Part 3 will no doubt be follow the money, couple of weeks I guess...... I got bored this week so I followed up a couple of things  *RoidRipper=publicdemands |
dexington
Caldari
Baconoration |
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:25:00 - [ 2150]
Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 04/04/2011 15:59:57
Part 1 of "who is RoidRipper*" is complete - whois is populated, so you can see the registrants address;
Part 2 is now in progress - time to get a real registrant name or the domain gets suspended. Nominet is on the case as we speak;
Part 3 will no doubt be follow the money, couple of weeks I guess......
I got bored this week so I followed up a couple of things
*RoidRipper=publicdemands
Part 4 publicdemands.com goes online... |
Burnharder |
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:29:00 - [ 2151]
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Ice product prices have increased about 10% in the last few days. Ice mining is one of the most heavily macroed activities because its so easy. This may indicate CCP is in fact doing something.
I doubt it. It's probably more an indication that people think CCP might be doing something and are therefore taking a position on ice products before the effects are really felt. |
Barakkus |
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:44:00 - [ 2152]
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.04 17:34:00 - [ 2153]
Edited by: Othran on 04/04/2011 17:34:57 Originally by: dexington
Part 4 publicdemands.com goes online...
Oh quite probably but the trail is there with Paypal transaction numbers. If its a .co.uk registered to a UK resident (ostensibly) then Revenue & Customs will be happy to come play. Couple of thousand x $15US per version (so $15US/sub a year really) is Ģ20k a year over the years. If it isn't a UK resident then it at least pushes up transaction costs as its a .com It amuses me and its utterly trivial to do, so when I'm bored I do stuff like this. Horses for courses really - you troll and thats about it these days but whatever floats your boat. |
Pandadora |
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:21:00 - [ 2154]
Edited by: Pandadora on 04/04/2011 19:22:02 Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 04/04/2011 17:34:57
Originally by: dexington
Part 4 publicdemands.com goes online...
Oh quite probably but the trail is there with Paypal transaction numbers. If its a .co.uk registered to a UK resident (ostensibly) then Revenue & Customs will be happy to come play. Couple of thousand x $15US per version (so $15US/sub a year really) is Ģ20k a year over the years.
If it isn't a UK resident then it at least pushes up transaction costs as its a .com
It amuses me and its utterly trivial to do, so when I'm bored I do stuff like this.
Horses for courses really - you troll and thats about it these days but whatever floats your boat.
Whatever one think about botting, but taking this into RL just cross the line. Your an assh0le. |
Elanor Vega |
Posted - 2011.04.04 21:04:00 - [ 2155]
Originally by: Pandadora
Edited by: Pandadora on 04/04/2011 19:22:02
Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 04/04/2011 17:34:57
Originally by: dexington
Part 4 publicdemands.com goes online...
Oh quite probably but the trail is there with Paypal transaction numbers. If its a .co.uk registered to a UK resident (ostensibly) then Revenue & Customs will be happy to come play. Couple of thousand x $15US per version (so $15US/sub a year really) is Ģ20k a year over the years.
If it isn't a UK resident then it at least pushes up transaction costs as its a .com
It amuses me and its utterly trivial to do, so when I'm bored I do stuff like this.
Horses for courses really - you troll and thats about it these days but whatever floats your boat.
Whatever one think about botting, but taking this into RL just cross the line. Your an assh0le.
Why is he an *******??? every person that have page like that and is doing things like that is aware that that is criminal activity... and that there may be consequences... and i say... that person deserves it... becouse not only that he is doing criminal activities... he is ruining game for ppl that pay for it... |
CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.04.04 23:10:00 - [ 2156]
Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 04/04/2011 08:04:19
Originally by: Calistai Huranu
Weeks vacation over for ccp sreegs, so any news on when we get the Devblog on this?
I wonder if we arent too mean for him now lol
Id rather like to see them come together and talk TO EACH OTHER on the synergy issue and issue a statement. Theyre acting like they arent in the same company and dont have internal emails or ffs cant talk to each other in person for that matter
Hey guys it ended today chill out :( I'll say something about Synergy when we have something to say. I'm aware that the issue's out there. Expect a dev blog in the next week or so but I'd expect more about communicating the ongoing process than I would restating the same things that are available for anyone on youtube at the moment. |
Gangster101 PureLove |
Posted - 2011.04.05 00:04:00 - [ 2157]
NERD RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!  lol |
Elyssa MacLeod |
Posted - 2011.04.05 00:41:00 - [ 2158]
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
I'd expect more about communicating the ongoing process than I would restating the same things that are available for anyone on youtube at the moment.
...no offense, and I REALLY REALLY dont mean to be mean but you REALLY dont understand the people you are talking to here do you? |
Aquila Draco |
Posted - 2011.04.05 08:10:00 - [ 2159]
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vswcz1
Gallente |
Posted - 2011.04.05 09:00:00 - [ 2160]
While almost of 'small fishes' - roidripper's users were banned (based on reading their forum), the big ones (some alliances from deep nullsec) sell tons of isk from real money without hitting.
One swallow does not make a summer.
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