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Quendishir
Caldari
The Immortal Dawn |
Posted - 2010.12.05 19:31:00 - [ 1]
Recently I joined a "more serious" PvP corporation for some alliance PvP, in the hopes of getting a bit more training. The war decs have been few and far between ,and what makes it worse is having to jump twenty jumps to chase war targets, only to have them dock/log. I've had some success with can baiting in Arnon (stupid Gila pilot), though I've wanted some small gang/fleet engagements. The corporation I joined had just war decced Eve University when I arrived. And I got a nice little Eve mail upon my joining!  Quote:
War With Eve University
From: Kelduum Revaan
Sent: 2010.11.27 17:54
To: [Names removed, per their request.]
I'd just like to welcome you all to your war against Eve University, New Edens premier choice of teaching establishment for more than 6 years.
I really hope this isn't the case for you, but in the majority of cases, our war-targets do not to learn a great deal about PvP during the conflict themselves, as we have quite a few new members eager to learn, so the majority of combat they see is somewhat one-sided in our favour, as per our SOP.
Expect to see:
- fleets of 50-200 pilots.
- very heavy ewar.
- at least 50% of tacklers in each fleet.
- inexperienced pilots learning very fast.
- Ivy League Navy members destroying anyone solo.
- no missioners, miners, haulers, or exploration.
- (if past wars are anything to go by) a great deal of the inside of a station.
Unfortunately as your leadership apparently didn't read our Corp or Alliance info, which means that we are obliged not to provide any 'fair fights' - if we had been contacted before the declaration, then we may have been able to arrange an actual learning experience for both sides, such as a tournament or actual lessons, but our policies state clearly that we do not fight 'fair' in these situations.
Anyway, on behalf of the membership and staff, I wish you all the best of luck, and hope that the E-UNI Curse (as the students tend to call it) doesn't befall your respective corporation.
Regards,
Kelduum Revaan
Chief Executive Officer
Eve University
(ps. Thank you for the member list and intel, you know who you are! I've limited the mail to your active members, as suggested.)
Now, no one wants to be blobbed by 200 Rifters. That would be full of "teh suxx0rz" or whatever. But we trudged on, as our allied sister corporation had also war decced them in an attempt to elicit fights. War dec goes live. Missions are halted. Be on your guard, they may come at any time! We remained outside of Dodixie Moon 20 for the better part of a day, doing our usual and ready to dock up at the sign of MASSIVE IMPERIAL BLOB! But it never came. We launched our own small raids into Eve Uni's home system of Aldrat. Nothing. We even attacked their POS! Nothing in retaliation. Over time we came to understand that the Eve Mail promising "fleets of 50-200 pilots" was just show. They couldn't field "heavy EWAR" because, quite frankly, they didn't have the massive numbers needed. To be fair, though, there was one point where about 20 EVE Uni characters camped in a small allied force. When we returned after having reshipped in Hek, they were once again docked up and nowhere to be seen. Oh, and they brought out 17 people in battlecruisers and below, with three Griffins and two Blackbirds. They stayed 350 kilometers above Dodixie Moon 20 station. And then when a sniper ship undocked, they ran post-haste back to Aldrat. My point is, we were told we would be seeing the inside of a station alot ("(if past wars are anything to go by) a great deal of the inside of a station."). I just never realized the only reason we'd be seeing the inside of said station was because spinning ships was a lot more interesting then jumped 15 jumps, only to see every red with-in ten jumps docked up, ****ing their pants against ten cruisers. :( So good job teaching people to PvP, Eve Uni! I'm sure station huggers everywhere are proud to have learned from you! |
LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:46:00 - [ 2]
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Blaze Oglory |
Posted - 2010.12.05 19:57:00 - [ 3]
I dont agree with either my ceo or our friend on the tactics of eve-uni, they did exactly what was needed to keep thier members safe, they are a teaching corporation, the leadership won't commit stupidly, they have seen it all before.I never heard a bad word said about eve-uni teaching skills (only from war targets).
Of course they will blob and use e-war to throttle the life out of you, it's the best and only sure way of being left alone to teach new members in peace.
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Quendishir
Caldari
The Immortal Dawn |
Posted - 2010.12.05 20:02:00 - [ 4]
Originally by: Blaze Oglory
I dont agree with either my ceo or our friend on the tactics of eve-uni, they did exactly what was needed to keep thier members safe, they are a teaching corporation, the leadership won't commit stupidly, they have seen it all before.I never heard a bad word said about eve-uni teaching skills (only from war targets).
Of course they will blob and use e-war to throttle the life out of you, it's the best and only sure way of being left alone to teach new members in peace.
That's great. I'm all for keeping your people intact and safe, and minimizing losses so that it isn't a horrible game for you or your people. Don't go around sending out EVE Mails saying you're going to blob when all you're going to do is spin ships in station, because when you do then people laugh at you and **** like this happens. Also, PvP is not prearranged. This isn't a duel. PvP is random and sporadic, you don't get to choose your targets all the time. Sometimes, they do the choosing for you. And if your "students" aren't taught this from the get-go, you set them up to fail. |
Sinister Dextor |
Posted - 2010.12.05 20:59:00 - [ 5]
So you decced Eve Uni (like that's an original thing to do  ), and they took the appropriate steps to protect themselves in wartime. So what exactly do you want us to take from this great operation, except that you are p.useless? |
Viv Alure |
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:16:00 - [ 6]
Wanna bet their next step will be wardeccing RvB?
<.< |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League |
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:43:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Kelduum Revaan on 05/12/2010 21:47:27Added namesThe OP's corp is Nova Ardour for anyone wondering. Originally by: LordInvisible
http://nova.eve-arts.com/2010/12/05/eve-uni-next-goons/
Awesome blog post, I like the bit where you complain that E-UNI doesn't teach PvP (just blobbing) showing you didnt bother looking through our killboard at what happens when we aren't at war (hint: lots of smaller gangs), and the bit where you seem to think we're making 5 billion ISK a month from new players running L4 missions (hint: logic fail). My favoutite bit though, is where you say: Originally by: LordInvisible
solo pvp is getting extincted here [sic]
...apparently forgetting you wardecced someone quite well known to 'blob', and your own corp members have brought one OOC remote repper for every in-corp ship you field. Anyway, heres my reply for posterity and just in case you feel like editing/deleting it as you have some of the other comments: Quote:
Thought I may as well comment here to clarify some misconceptions:
1. All 1300+ members are active members (max one month inactive), with only a handful of alts. For a complete member list since Oct 2009, see http://members.eveuniversity.org
2. E-UNI is, by definition a new player corp. This means we have 95%+ new members, who pay nothing to enter the corp, and receive a load of stuff for free while they are members.
3. Older members tend to leave and form their own corps and alliances (which is why we don't actually make infinity in taxes), and are all over EVE. Name a successful alliance, and theres a good chance there will be a good few E-UNI alumni there.
4. We predate the Goons in EVE, especially in the form you mention, and we use the 'blob' tactics (I prefer the term 'Crowd Tanking' myself) because they work and end wars, as you have proven. And hell, you ask people to X-up and you get 50 replies... What are we supposed to do? Tell them they can't come 'cos the fleet is full?
5. Our fleets can be lead by anyone, at any time, from the member who just joined a few minutes ago, to the 7 year EVE veteran. The point is that we replace lost ships, and the FCs write up an After Action Report, so everyone learns from the groups mistakes.
6. The 'Mail' from me is a form message I send out to our wartargets who don't seem to have done their research and therefore don't know what to expect. From your comments, it is quite clear that you are in that category.
Good to see that you did at least learn <i>something</i>, even if it was not to pick a fight with an entity which has been around for coming up to seven years and knows how to handle itself.
Shouldn't this be on COAD? Edit:
In case anyone is wondering, heres the people the mail was sent to: Application Manager, Blaze Oglory, CrazedCC, DanOWars Dog, Dobi Mecata, dream assassin, homongoloss, Leigh Bridson, Light Nova, Lord Road, LordInvisible, Lyanca, reiGn x, Szilardis. Full list of members available on request of course. |
Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.05 21:44:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Worgen Fratmon on 05/12/2010 21:47:28
Let me make sure that I understand you correctly, mkay?
1. Your corp/alliance wardecs a known newbie/teaching corp.
2. You get a mail that they won't play by whatever rule you want there to be.
3. You are upset that you aren't getting any easy kills on sub 6 month old players.
4. You have the gall to whine about it on the foums???
As a former Uni member, I find this hillarious. This is what every corp/alliance that has decced the Uni complains about. The Uni is not there so you can pad your killboards. The Uni is there to teach new players about as many aspects of the game as the individual wants to learn about.
If your CEO or Alliance leader (depending on who did the actuall wardec) had read the very public ROE that the Uni has, they would have known that you'd be facing mainly NOTHING.
Enjoy your War of Vacuum. Please let us know when you are station spinning because 200+ noobs are camping you and your buds (if the war lasts long enough, it will happen), so we can all share in the laughter of your corp/alliance failures.
BTW, if any Unis wish to live in a WH after graduation or when they feel the urge to move on, contact me ingame and I'll pass their info to my CEO. |
Emmgel |
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:02:00 - [ 9]
With the exception of the odd new player who hasn't read the SOP, chances are the only E-UNI fleets you will encounter will greatly outnumber you. In my observation, the standard wardec is from a corp of less than 20 people, most of whom are about as active as a pregnant sloth with a full belly and a spot in the sun.
Please note 'expect to see' is not 'we promise to field the below either for your convenience or on the offchance you might turn up.'
Wardeccing new players in the hope that new players will provide some easy kills is about as low as you can get without dislocating your knees doing a limbo dance. Join R v B if you want decent pvp. Otherwise stick to can-baiting the gullible.
Emmgel |
Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming |
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:13:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Edited by: Kelduum Revaan on 05/12/2010 21:47:27
Added names
The OP's corp is Nova Ardour for anyone wondering.
OP's corp is actually Unfortunate Soldiers. I am now posting with my (current) main character. |
Logitricky |
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:14:00 - [ 11]
Quen.. You sir, are a moron  |
Herping yourDerp |
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:41:00 - [ 12]
kinda sad your wardeccing eve uni, this is what i got out of it. |
Miko Nguyen |
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:50:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Quendishir
So good job teaching people to PvP, Eve Uni! I'm sure station huggers everywhere are proud to have learned
You chastise a learning institution for not fighting you but yet you yourself don't have the skills or competence to fight real PvPers in lowsec or null? But instead you want to engage in Empire wars? I'd like to nominate this guy as idiot of the week. All in favor, say 'Aye'. |
San Severina
Minmatar |
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:51:00 - [ 14]
Like Kelduum said, don't expect a fair fight. The uni will not engage on your terms & have a strict SOP that they expect all mebers to abide by.
I think you should contact Kelduum, agree to read the info he mentioned & see if you can organize a proper War, treat EvE UNI with a bit of respect, they deserve it ( Hai Mark :D)! |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League |
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:53:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Kelduum Revaan on 05/12/2010 22:53:32 Originally by: Azelor Delaria
OP's corp is actually Unfortunate Soldiers. I am now posting with my (current) main character.
I stand corrected. Although, this confirms that someone has been passing my EveMails around, as the mail I sent at 2010.11.27 17:54 wasn't sent to Unfortunate Soldiers, who weren't sent one as they seemed to have a clue as to what they were doing (confirmed by them not paying for another week of war earlier today). PS. Heres a list of the other active UFSOL members, so you don't feel left out:
Airbag31, amidaros veleta, Anya Klibor, CnlSith, Darkavon, Drey Lock, Iselsi Custodis, juandor, kieplang2, Marius Caldari, Meldarian, Mina Lieung, Mortredd, NetheranE, NumbzNutz, Opije, Pudjellamanx, Straumnes, Tatem Queek, Whitehalo117 |
Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.05 23:04:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Miko Nguyen
Originally by: Quendishir
So good job teaching people to PvP, Eve Uni! I'm sure station huggers everywhere are proud to have learned
You chastise a learning institution for not fighting you but yet you yourself don't have the skills or competence to fight real PvPers in lowsec or null? But instead you want to engage in Empire wars?
I'd like to nominate this guy as idiot of the week. All in favor, say 'Aye'.
Aye... but only of the week? Looks like this guy might be in the running for the month (it is still early tho). |
Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming |
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:21:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: San Severina
Like Kelduum said, don't expect a fair fight. The uni will not engage on your terms & have a strict SOP that they expect all mebers to abide by.
I think you should contact Kelduum, agree to read the info he mentioned & see if you can organize a proper War, treat EvE UNI with a bit of respect, they deserve it ( Hai Mark :D)!
No one expected a "fair" fight. We expected a fight from a group who purports to teach PvPing technicques to newbies. In fact, the CEo sent out a mail stating that we should expect it! |
bobdillon |
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:40:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
No one expected a "fair" fight. We expected a fight from a group who purports to teach PvPing technicques to newbies. In fact, the CEo sent out a mail stating that we should expect it!
Ahh yes but they didnt say WHEN you should expect it. Im sure if you pester them enough for months they might be annoyed enough to clear you out because honestly, I doubt you are doing anything new or radical to a 6 year old corp. Although from the sounds of it you dont have the patience to do that so maybe they, instead of sending swarms of newbies at you for you to padd your killmails, are just simply waiting untill your ADHD kicks in and you move on? Again this is just all speculation but please keep us posted, I await to hear news of your rad war against RvB :). |
Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 00:43:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: San Severina
Like Kelduum said, don't expect a fair fight. The uni will not engage on your terms & have a strict SOP that they expect all mebers to abide by.
I think you should contact Kelduum, agree to read the info he mentioned & see if you can organize a proper War, treat EvE UNI with a bit of respect, they deserve it ( Hai Mark :D)!
No one expected a "fair" fight. We expected a fight from a group who purports to teach PvPing technicques to newbies. In fact, the CEo sent out a mail stating that we should expect it!
It appears you got your fight today. And lost a cruiser and BC. Beat by noobs.  http://killboard.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8206741 I see there will probably be a Uni who gets a chewing out for rigging a cruiser. |
Enno Duluoz |
Posted - 2010.12.06 01:00:00 - [ 20]
Edited by: Enno Duluoz on 06/12/2010 01:06:00Edited by: Enno Duluoz on 06/12/2010 01:04:15Edited by: Enno Duluoz on 06/12/2010 01:01:11Nope! You guys got schooled. Man, I bet those rifter kills feel good stacked against your missing t2 frigs, etc. You lost the ISK war. Bad. http://killboard.eveuniversity.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=8074Neutral RR BS is not PvP, Mang! Also. AYE! |
Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire |
Posted - 2010.12.06 01:48:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Worgen Fratmon
I see there will probably be a Uni who gets a chewing out for rigging a cruiser.
Actually I believe they're now allowed to rig cruisers as long as they are T2 tanked. |
KWyz |
Posted - 2010.12.06 02:07:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: KWyz on 06/12/2010 02:09:13
Having spent some time in The Graduates, I think I have a pretty good idea of the people that run Eve University: nicest bunch of capsuleers you'll meet in this galaxy, terrible terrible idea to **** them off(assuming you could ever make them break a single nervous sweat that is).
Time and time again I have seen the demonstration of something that has since become axiomatic: take the time to teach PVP to people, and even the worst noob will become a good soldier.
Yes, I said it. Soldier. Call it a grunt, whatever. Some people seem to confuse defense of ones assets with "wanting a good fight". Wanna good fight? take your group through lowsec and whine when it meets its evil rock-paper-scissor counterpart, or a blob. Don't expect anything but total wars from people actively defending what is theirs.
And for your information, many,many graduates of this corp are more than capable solo PVPers. Good luck trying to hold up your positive kill ration KB.
"War is mostly waiting."
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Miko Nguyen |
Posted - 2010.12.06 03:07:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Quendishir
Recently I joined a "more serious" PvP corporation for some alliance PvP, in the hopes of getting a bit more training.
So your corp, Nova Ardour has a lame Killboard. They just hang out at Dodixie killing people. Must be a bunch of kids running the corp. Yes, such a serious corp :) |
Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers |
Posted - 2010.12.06 03:10:00 - [ 24]
Good day:
Eve University typically wins most wars that are brought up against her.
Give her time, and you might find yourself running more than fighting.
Thank you.
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Damar Rocarion |
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:44:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Miko Nguyen
Must be a bunch of kids running the corp. Yes, such a serious corp :)
Quen slapped his name and USMC rank to one of his earlier posts where he commented what I had to say. I can tell that as non us-citizen I was definetely unimpressed and even more willing to mock him |
Tornado Bait
Minmatar
Douchingtons
Burn Away |
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:55:00 - [ 26]
Eve Uni is one of the greatest and most respected corporations in eve and I hope they beat the snot out of you.
Also I don't know where you live but their fleets tend to fly around the hek/rancer area, presumably for teaching noobs about low-sec. |
Meridith Akesia
Stimulus |
Posted - 2010.12.06 11:16:00 - [ 27]
m8 |
Sinister Dextor |
Posted - 2010.12.06 12:07:00 - [ 28]
You lost a Dramiel to a Eve Uni POS? HOW? |
Mr Dilkington |
Posted - 2010.12.06 12:54:00 - [ 29]
i cant blame them for not wanting to fight you and your out of corp Remote rep alts. |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance |
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:25:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Meridith Akesia
m8
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