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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.04 13:37:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 04/12/2010 14:42:19
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I honestly have no idea where to put this, so I decided to put it (for now) in EGD.
I hope the mods will see fit to leave it in EGD.
Why ? Because it doesn't really belong in Features and Ideas Discussion (it's not exactly a set of suggestions but more of a collection of multiple personal annoyances, and then FID is kind of like an elephant graveyard) and it doesn't exactly belong in the Assembly Hall either, because it's more of a brainstorm thing than a "let's do this specific stuff".


SO, WHAT IS THE "THOUSAND PAPERCUTS" PROJECT ?

It's an attempt to gather intel a lot of really small things that you put up with easily for some reason (usually because you got used to it after a while, short or long), but it still kind of bothers you to some tiny (or not so tiny) degree.
Each and every one of those things might not even really be annoying in itself (and at least for some, changing them might probably NOT be really worth CCP's time yet, to be honest), but there might be so many that they end up giving you an overall feeling of discomfort, or stress, or whatever you'd like to call it.


WHAT DO I WANT FROM YOU ?

If you have one such minor inconvenience, whenever you encounter it, please describe it in here. THE SMALLER THE INCONVENIENCE, THE BETTER.
You know, the small things... those you'd feel embarrassed to file a bug report for since they're so insignificant, or even never really bother to start a thread about it for fear of being laughed at for being too whiny about something most people don't even consider that much of an inconvenience.
Things like:
* "I wish the use/trash options on the menu would have more distance between them"
* "I'd love if the timer for switching between ships was shorter than 30 seconds"
* "I hate that nebula background images are so low resolution, I see nasty colorbands and blocks on my monitor at high resolutions"
* "I don't like waiting 5-10 minutes for the remote asset list to reload"
* "I'd like it if when I create a fleet I'd be made squad commander by default"
* "I want more font options"
* "It would be great if I could select a default showinfo tab"
* "The blinking of the character sheet icon after claiming certificates annoys me, why do I have to open it again for it to stop blinking, I was just there"
* "The <location> turret position on the <shipname> model annoys me because <reason>"
* "Why do I have to stop training a skill when I clonejump, can't it pause and resume automatically?"
...and so on and so forth.


WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS ?

Well, there are several.

First off, maybe that minor annoyance you always had has some way to be sidestepped that somebody else found but you weren't aware of (hey, weirder things have happened).
If you think you have a solution to one of the issues presented, don't be shy, say it.

Second, some of those things might be trivial to fix/change, and merely the fact they're brought forth will trigger their fix/change.
Yeah, a bit of too much wishful thinking, but you never know.

Finally, after enough of these minor annoyances are collected, hopefully the most commonly perceived as annoying ones that so far were deemed not worth the time will hopefully get some attention from CCP when they're brought up as individual items.
However, they would have to be common to quite a few people before they even deserve to be elevated to that particular status.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.04 13:37:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 31/03/2011 08:31:45

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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Why not joint forces with Trebor and his crowsourcing initiatives in AH? This would prevent wasting effort on the same issues.

Because this is intended for small things, even below the "low priority" items on his list.
It's either issues so small they don't even deserve a topic of their own, or issues not quite so small but which would obviously not (yet) be worth the attention of CCP, maybe even issues that just can't be fixed with the current system in place as is and a whole new system would have to be devised for them to even become worth bothering with (like, for instance, with stackable damaged crystals, where the inventory system itself does not support something like that).
Basically, stuff that shouldn't really be in AH, or not yet anyway. If some of the issues in this list are ever to be brought up in Assembly Hall, it will be quite a while until then.

Originally by: Kara Sharalien
I think we should make a policy in this thread of not critisizing others complaints unless they are blatantly flawed.

Well, it's the secondary purpose stated in the OP, to present people with alternatives to their minor annoyances Wink
No judging of preference, just offering of alternatives.
Also, don't be afraid of repeating what somebody else said, at most try to say it differently (but not even that necessarily).
It's a nag//brainstorming//advice session Wink

Originally by: Judas Scammer
The devs won't read this thread anyway.

2 posts later...
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Hello everyone,
I would just like to thank you for your input and assure you that the developers are keeping an eye on this thread.
This is excellent feedback, please keep it coming!


Very Happy

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
General request for this thread: can everyone please enter their points in the following format:
- This is a point
* This is a sub-point

I don't actually care what symbols you use, but if I can just do "=right(a1,len(a1)-2)" in Excel, that'll make my life a lot easier Smile



And much later, but still relevant...


Hey, guess who's reading threads like these ?
CCP Team BFF, that's who Wink
Love the name of the project... "Little Things" (That Bother) Razz

Also this and then a bit later on...

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Yep, we're here Cool


Originally by: CCP Masheen
Greetings, I am CCP Masheen and I am the QA tester and new ScrumMaster of Team BFF. After creating Incursion we are now engaged in tackling many of the 'little things' that plague EVE gameplay (follow the dashing CCP Soundwave's dev blogs for more details).
The list of possible improvements we could make to EVE is long but I want to let you know that we do follow these threads and frequently make additions and priority changes based on your feedback. We as fellow players understand that any issue great or small that affects 350,000+ capsuleers is worth dealing with and an essential part of making EVE even sexier.
Fanfest P.S. join Myself and CCP Mindstar for our 'Liver Incursion' themed Dev pub crawl this Friday (P.P.S. make sure your travel insurance includes medical cover)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.04 13:38:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 01/04/2011 04:29:36


===

Team BFF first publicly acknowledging the contribution of the thread : (debvlog link)

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NEW !!!

The official videos of the Fanfest 2011 presentations !


This thread is being mentioned in two of them.


First, in the keynote speech : (link to time index just before it starts)

And then, in the final presentation : (link to time index just before it starts)

Very Happy

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Then not much later...
Originally by: CCP Punkturis
I also promised the awesome guys and gals that attended the UI roundtable that Team BFF reads this thread. Just posting here to prove it! Smile


===


RensPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.12.04 13:47:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: RensPriceChecker2 on 04/12/2010 13:49:28
* damaged crystals stackable
* distinctive audio option to turn station "choir" sound off
* make "fixed window" moveable (for multiple screen setup)
* add "do you really want to remove this agent from the adressbook"- messagebox.
* make it so that after switching language in the options and restarting the client, the language is actually as selected and no longer a mixture between the selected and the previously selected language.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:04:00 - [5]
 

Why not joint forces with Trebor and his crowsourcing initiatives in AH? This would prevent wasting effort on the same issues.

Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:08:00 - [6]
 

The map loading software is quite inefficient. If you use any form of tiles or other sov data, the map takes approximately 2 minutes to load on my connection.

Why not cache the entire map, and use the cached one while downloading the updated one?

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Why can I not log out of my account directly back to the character selection screen?

Related: Why, when I tell one of my alts to train something when my main is training, am I forced to log on to my main, pause his training, and then log back on to my alt to start his training. Why can I not simply issue a "pause other characters training" command from the alt?

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Why is there no bulk contract creator, so I can make 15 identical contracts to sell 15 identical BPC's without getting severe RSI?

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Why can I not highlight everything in my hangar and go "sell to best buy order unless order is less then x% below regional average"?

DarkAegix
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:09:00 - [7]
 

*I'd like to be able to resize the science & industry window to be even smaller. (Planet view)
*I'd like to be able to drag items from market to chat to autolink it.
*When the sun grows smaller as your ship obscures it, you can still see a tiny bit of light going through your ship
*I don't like it how missiles fly through a ship, and directly into its centre, then explode
*I don't like it how the explosions of missiles don't shape themselves according to where they hit
*I don't like missile stacks. Make them all come out with shotgun-like spread, then start seeking.
*I don't like it how missiles rubber-band-zig-zag a bit before hitting
(There's a lot of things I don't like about missiles :D)
*I'd prefer it if energy neuts effects worked like a giant, bright zap, then nothing until the cycle repeats
*I liked the older acceleration gates which shot tractor-beam like things at you. They still functioned exactly the same.
*Warp needs to accelerate and decelerate much, much, much faster. Or at least graphically appear that way. There also needs to be a flash of light/something flashy.
*If I (shudder) do a courier mission and click undock without what I'm supposed to deliver in cargo, please warn me.
*I dislike how the fixed weapons on drones often shoot projectiles sideways through thr front-facing gun while orbiting.
*Large blasters should sound louder

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:10:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
Why not joint forces with Trebor and his crowsourcing initiatives in AH? This would prevent wasting effort on the same issues.

Because this is intended for small things, even below the "low priority" items on his list.
It's either issues so small they don't even deserve a topic of their own, or issues not quite so small but which would obviously not (yet) be worth the attention of CCP, maybe even issues that just can't be fixed with the current system in place as is and a whole new system would have to be devised for them to even become worth bothering with (like, for instance, with stackable damaged crystals, where the inventory system itself does not support something like that).
Basically, stuff that shouldn't really be in AH, or not yet anyway. If some of the issues in this list are ever to be brought up in Assembly Hall, it will be quite a while until then.

Faith Bluescreen
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:11:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Faith Bluescreen on 04/12/2010 15:20:39
make "select all" in a container/hangar a doubleclick option not a rightclick-menu option

make "targeting" a doubleclick on ship in overview

(k Ctrl click works too but i prefer mouse)

remove overload function from weaponicon (i constantly damaging my waepons by accidently clicking on it)

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:19:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Faith Bluescreen
make "targeting" a doubleclick on ship in overview

Why? CTRL+click is working perfect and it also freezes the overview from updating so things don't jump around while making the selections.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:19:00 - [11]
 

* Existence of T2 BPO's
* Fixed window - want to move it (some hotkey + mouse preferably)
* Have to quit EVE for logging into alt on same account
* Session change timer of 30 sec is too long most of the time or too short under heavy lag
* Starlight color, red stars should have red light - no ?
* Planetary interaction click amount (fixed soon tho I hear)
* POS'es and most things associated with them. For example inability after all those years to use one from personal hangar. Still not possible to copy cross corporation.
* Corp management and 'all or nothing' access matrices. If you can install jobs you can also cancel them for example.
* Bookmarks and alts - have to bookmark stuff with each one of them. Want ability to export them like overview settings at least or some other form of sharing bookmarks between all characters.
* When you import overview the appearance is not imported/exported, so you have to set up that manually for every character if you want to maintain consistency.
* EVE client does not play nice with multiple gfx cards running multiple monitors. Have to have separate EVE installations for every monitor for best performance.
* Inability to use PLEX for activating account that has ran out of sub (have to do 1 day petition or use 2x PLEX)
* Science and Industry interface - it's better than it used to be but still kinda crappy in general in my opinion, lot of clicking, unintuitive and so on.

Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:20:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Faith Bluescreen

make "targeting" a doubleclick on ship in overview


On this note, please make double (or perhaps triple)-clicking a locked target icon unlock it.

Also, for when I am trying to get the circle-menu on a moving item, please allow me to hold down the mouse button and then drag the mouse over an object in space to open the circle-menu. This saves me from having to click like a madman to hit what I'm going for.

Lillith Starfire
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:21:00 - [13]
 

Reserved for response to big post about tiny cuts.

Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:22:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Faith Bluescreen
make "targeting" a doubleclick on ship in overview

Why? CTRL+click is working perfect and it also freezes the overview from updating so things don't jump around while making the selections.


I did also consider pointing out ctrl-a on his first request, but I think we should make a policy in this thread of not critisizing others complaints unless they are blatantly flawed.

For all we know, mr bluescreens ctrl-key is buggered.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:24:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 04/12/2010 14:29:55

Originally by: Kara Sharalien
I did also consider pointing out ctrl-a on his first request, but I think we should make a policy in this thread of not critisizing others complaints unless they are blatantly flawed.

Well, it's the secondary purpose stated in the OP, to present people with alternatives to their minor annoyances Wink
No judging of preference, just offering of alternatives.
Also, don't be afraid of repeating what somebody else said before, at most try to say it differently (but not even that necessarily).
It's a nag//brainstorming//advice session Wink

Dr Karsun
Gallente
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:27:00 - [16]
 

  1. When you use blasters on a moros and look directly into the barrel of the blaster, you see the inside of the ship model.

  2. When you got the sun blocked by a far away moon/planet, it tends to give an effect similar to a strobe lamp

  3. The jukebox tends to lose its playlists once in a while.

  4. When you got a pos tower online and all the modules anchored, you can't just click 'online all' and it'd automatically online one module after another, but you have to actually be there and do it manually.

  5. Gates/POSes often tend to be big blobs of light instead of structures. Especially poses.

  6. Blasters tend to sound really poorly, rail guns make far more deadly sounds

  7. MWD and AB use the same amount of energy no matter how fast you'r going. I'd like to be able to adjust the power, since sometimes half the MWD power would be enough - I'd like it to take less power in such a case.

  8. There are no drone damage notifications.

  9. Drone models have turrets, but they don't point them at the enemy, just orbit and shoot from inside of them, makes FRAPSing a nice movie while using a drone as primary target for watching impossible to make it look good.

Cyrus Mierre
The Forsaken Legion
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:28:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Cyrus Mierre on 13/02/2011 13:06:07
Edited by: Cyrus Mierre on 04/12/2010 14:38:53
* The time delay after a session change (jump, undock, opening starmap) before you are able to r-click in space
* The time taken to transfer a heap of bpcs from tab to tab
* The fact that to update the corp announcements you must either relog or create-and-delete one of your own
* If you press 'accept' to the invention/manufacturing summary screen when you are missing a requirement, the cursor ends up in the previous window (often the search bar) meaning that the invention/manufacturing screen is no longer the 'current window'
* The unresponsiveness of overloading/unoverloading modules
* The time delay between giving drones an order and them registering it
* The fact that you can't put an item into a container by dropping it onto the container icon (it must be opened first)
* The fact that you can't r-click a container > empty into hangar/corp hangar
* The fact that you can't r-click > search contracts
* The fact that updating the test server takes huge download every time

EDIT
* Relogging to change character on same account
* I'd like to be able to change whether my wallet balance or the corp's balance is displayed when I hover over the wallet button

EDIT2
* When inventing/manufacturing I wish the 'installation' was automatically set to the current location of the blueprint. Currently we have to find the installation every single time

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:47:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: mechtech on 04/12/2010 14:48:27
* I want my buy and sell orders to be highlighted blue so they stand out.
* The iconic old cyno effect needs to come back. Engine trails too. These have been gone for far too long.
* seconding overloading modules, the overload interface is terribly vague. Green vs pulsing green for a tiny binary UI function?

Frecator Dementa
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:02:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Frecator Dementa on 04/12/2010 15:03:39

#1 'Show info' on drones has misleading damage
Each T1 Light drone for instance will show that it does 15 points of damage; however veteran players know that drones do different amounts of damage. Why? because of the "Damage Modifier" which ranges from 1.15x to 1.6x
Damage displayed should be the product between "Damage Modifier" and "Damage"

#2 'Show info' is showing useless values
For instance, it shows 4 types of Sensor Strength for Drones. Drones cannot be ECM'd, therefore there is no need to show the sensor strength.
Other irrelevant stuff:
Capacitor Capacity and Recharge Time for drones
Max locked targets for drones
Cargo Capacity for drones

#3 'Show info' rows not in a logical sequence
For instance, drones:
Damage done is at the bottom
Damage Modifier is at the middle
Rate of fire is somewhere above Damage Modifier
These 3 rows should be grouped together
Shield and Structure info is not grouped together

#4 'Show info' inconsistent behaviour for "default values"
Let's take the Cerberus:
Has a drone bay of 0 - not shown
Has structure resists of 0% - shown
Please add a row that says "Drone Capacity 0 m3" to all ships that cannot carry drones

#5 'Show info' Resistances take up too much space
Instead of taking up 4 rows for each resistance type (shield/armor/struct), they could instead be gropuped together and look something like:
Armor resistances: EM 50% / Explo 10% / Kinetic 62.5% / Thermal 86.25%

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:03:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 04/12/2010 15:32:37
a gcc resets after jumping through a stargate or docking...

There arent enough research/copying stations/slots in highsec and they're -always- full.

cant repair crystals to sell them, only refine

cant relog to an alt on the same account without rebooting the client and logging back in

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:05:00 - [21]
 

Quote:
* The fact that updating the test server takes huge download every time
Use the SisiLauncher tool, it'll just do the difference for you. ugh

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:09:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 04/12/2010 15:14:36
Double click to fit the module to an active ship.
Mechanic skill group containing armor tanking, rig, and ship building skills (make new categories!!).
Multiple different station interiors. We need them back.

Good luck with the project.

Cyrus Mierre
The Forsaken Legion
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:09:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Quote:
* The fact that updating the test server takes huge download every time
Use the SisiLauncher tool, it'll just do the difference for you. ugh


*hug*

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:19:00 - [24]
 

Unless I missed something the past 3 years:

Not being able to mouse over a (maybe?) (used) laser/ mining crystal and tell DIRECTLY if it is

A: Damaged

and

B: how much

It's too stupid for words I have to load them 1 by one in *space* to see how and what.

Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Frecator Dementa
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:28:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Frecator Dementa on 04/12/2010 15:29:36

#6 Cannot see my own market orders highlighted on the market screen
#7 Cannot modify my own marked orders on the market screen
#8 Cannot sort by Region on Wallet - Orders tab
#9 Cannot use chat windows while undocking (screen fading to black)
#10 Creating a fleet sets you as Fleet Commander instead of the much more commonly used Squad Commander
#11 Cannot rent out POS lab slots to people in different alliances (I'm thinking of being able to use the Science & Industry - Installations tab here
#12 Science & Industry - Installations tab, cannot sort NPC stations by "Next Free Time"
#13 Manufacturing - Text box for "Runs" is waaaaaaaay too small when building ammo
#14 Manufacturing - Text box for "Runs" does not have a "Max" button (Build as many as I have materials for)
#15 Science & Industry - Jobs tab does not show "Remote Manufacturing" and "Remote Research" ranges, like the Blueprints tab does

Azureite
Amarr
Special Forces Operation Detachment Delta
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:41:00 - [26]
 

Loot and other items don't automatically stack when I drop them into my cargo hold.

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:44:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: DarkAegix
*I don't like it how missiles fly through a ship, and directly into its centre, then explode
*I don't like it how the explosions of missiles don't shape themselves according to where they hit
*I don't like missile stacks. Make them all come out with shotgun-like spread, then start seeking.
*I don't like it how missiles rubber-band-zig-zag a bit before hitting
(There's a lot of things I don't like about missiles :D)


So... needs moar Itano Circus!!!

Link related: Itano Circus

*Whenever I am doing the shift click thing in my hangar I can't deselect anything in the shift train... I would like to do so or make a checklist for the hangar so things can be a little more organized during selection.
*Would like to buy add to cart option for market orders, perhaps with an option to create presets for ship fittings and such.(Everything that saves time in EVE is a must!)
*Even though I don't mine much, I am annoyed that you can't selectively mine a particular mineral out of a roid instead of mining all the crap I don't want.
*Its hard to create a corp/alliance only market without contracts, perhaps make a red/blue system for the market so I can trade with those people I prefer to while still using the market window (Imagine most of EVE choosing to not trade to some of the major alliances in the game, oh the tearsYARRRR!!)

RensPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:45:00 - [28]
 

* fix the issue that while missioning the camera sometimes pans off into a random direction, stays there for 1-2 seconds and then turns back.

Chrome Ozone
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:46:00 - [29]
 

Not being able to shift+click install multiple manufacturing / invention jobs of the same type (more clicking then PI).

Be nice if sell orders of the person placing were a different color for distinction once on market.


Faith Bluescreen
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:51:00 - [30]
 


*Whenever I am doing the shift click thing in my hangar I can't deselect anything in the shift train... I would like to do so or make a checklist for the hangar so things can be a little more organized during selection.


it's Ctrl click


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