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face donor |
Posted - 2011.02.08 16:39:00 - [ 181]
 Originally by: Eastman Color
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good boy! now try with other letters and you'll have alphabet learned in no time.
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sparson |
Posted - 2011.02.08 20:32:00 - [ 182]
Hey, no-hulk, I'm no fan of PvPers who think ganking a defenseless ship makes them a man, but it's part of the game. If you don't like it go mine on sisi, you can easily find yourself a nice unoccupied system and you can click on roid pictures all day if you want, nobody will mess with you. |
Wellan McHuntley |
Posted - 2011.02.09 06:52:00 - [ 183]
Hulkaguedon is organised by the Goonswarm Federation wich have the BPO for the hulk. They have a year to make a lot of them... |
catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage heavy industries |
Posted - 2011.02.09 08:14:00 - [ 184]
Some of you whinners are a embarrassment to all carebears, really THERE IS NO PLACE SAFE NOR WILL THERE EVER BE ONE( should be the first lesson in the tutorials)
I wouldn't want a game without risk , if you really want to go and play agame where you are 100% safe go and play STO or WOW,i hear they even give you cookies there)
Serious ,i think i said this before , but unless you are a complete idiot you will be relative safe during the hulkathingy thing end of this month
So stop complaining and grow some balls or brains
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Eastman Color |
Posted - 2011.02.09 09:34:00 - [ 185]
Originally by: Wellan McHuntley
Hulkaguedon is organised by the Goonswarm Federation wich have the BPO for the hulk. They have a year to make a lot of them...
confirming that the goons have THE hulk bpo |
RT Firefly |
Posted - 2011.02.11 00:27:00 - [ 186]
Edited by: RT Firefly on 11/02/2011 00:27:45
I agree that an attack in empire is done at the attackers own risk. The reasoning makes no difference. When I'm mining I still have to look out for rats and flippers (Still haven't seen an Incursion yet) this is just part of the game.
My concern is that the original poster wrote "This is in safe space empire and they must hack the police to not respond in time like they should because this is outrageous." Is there a hack to delay Concord? If so then this is cheating and CCP must fix it. I believe the gankers and griefers would complain if there was a hack to make mining ships invulnerable.
If the ganked feel that a hack was used in the loss of there ship petition for a reimbursement. If you're still not satisfied then band together quit the game in mass and see if the revenue drop gets CCP's attention.
This is just my opinion I could be wrong.
Happy Hulkageddon! |
Tuggboat
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.02.11 03:10:00 - [ 187]
Eve is NOT a PVP game.
take a timer and time the real amount of time your engaged or trying to engage another player divide that by how much time your online interacting with the market, the fitting screen, the forums and of course eft. (the real eve game).
If you can do the math,... ha.. ha.. ha... :) you'll find out who your really playing with most of the time.
Now put some catalysts in the oven with those minerals you bought and you big ol' pirates go to beddy bye and get a good nights sleep. Lots of swashbuckling you can do tomorrow. |
raney ilara |
Posted - 2011.02.11 05:44:00 - [ 188]
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Eve is NOT a PVP game.
huh? You'll have to explain that theory better. The way I see eve is everything is pvp.. there is not a bit of it, including the forums, that isn't used in pvp. |
Tuggboat
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.02.11 09:37:00 - [ 189]
Do the math. Who/what are you interacting with and in that interaction, are you working with or against (versus)? your personal goal may be to play pvp but thats not what your actually doing.
your working WITH the hulk bpo owners, with the moon goo holders, with the marketers, with the manufacturers, with your gang mates, with rats, etc etc etc.
Finaly you have done all this prep work with the environment, maybe a months worth. and you jump into a system your databases or forums or chat channels suggest will be a good target. you open up your scanner and NOW your player versus player. In a few minutes that part is over. COncord, the environment now comes after you and you are back interacting with the environment again.
Do the math. if your spending 95 or 99% of your time working with the environment your not really playing against players. even if you farm a burst of hulks it only because of the prep time you did before. Anyone who thinks otherwise is like the manufacturer who thinks his mins are free cause he mines them himself.
In this game its the manufactures killing pvpers, making them commit suicide. Manufactures and miners play the forums and your imaginations. This is how we kill pirates.
People working with people. Its a social game of people working with others. Unity is stronger than chaos, PVP is a fallacy. |
H'pol |
Posted - 2011.02.11 10:41:00 - [ 190]
Edited by: H''pol on 11/02/2011 10:43:09 Originally by: Tuggboat
Do the math. Who/what are you interacting with and in that interaction, are you working with or against (versus)? your personal goal may be to play pvp but thats not what your actually doing.
your working WITH the hulk bpo owners, with the moon goo holders, with the marketers, with the manufacturers, with your gang mates, with rats, etc etc etc.
Finaly you have done all this prep work with the environment, maybe a months worth. and you jump into a system your databases or forums or chat channels suggest will be a good target. you open up your scanner and NOW your player versus player. In a few minutes that part is over. COncord, the environment now comes after you and you are back interacting with the environment again.
Do the math. if your spending 95 or 99% of your time working with the environment your not really playing against players. even if you farm a burst of hulks it only because of the prep time you did before. Anyone who thinks otherwise is like the manufacturer who thinks his mins are free cause he mines them himself.
In this game its the manufactures killing pvpers, making them commit suicide. Manufactures and miners play the forums and your imaginations. This is how we kill pirates.
People working with people. Its a social game of people working with others. Unity is stronger than chaos, PVP is a fallacy.
IMO pvp means I CAN kill others, not that I have to. Fighters are fighting others, traders are fighting others on markets, manufacturers are fighting others in a way who is faster or more efficency. |
Zircalla |
Posted - 2011.02.11 14:25:00 - [ 191]
Edited by: Zircalla on 11/02/2011 14:26:33Edited by: Zircalla on 11/02/2011 14:25:48Bah! Working with, working against, blah, blah, blah... I am thinking we have finally found a use for some black ops ships - I think we will try cloaking one near a fully tanked hulk and see if someone tries to gank it. With Sebos and a command ship in system, we can lock on in well under 2 seconds and turn on 4 shield transporters, a remote armor repper, and a remote hull repper. Should massively increase the tank of the hulk :). Anyway, can't think of much else to do with a Black Ops bs anyway. HA has given the Black Ops ships meaning!  |
Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:55:00 - [ 192]
Good god people, put the hulk away and mine in a covetor if you must. It's not that big of a deal! Originally by: Zircalla
Edited by: Zircalla on 11/02/2011 14:26:33
Edited by: Zircalla on 11/02/2011 14:25:48
Bah! Working with, working against, blah, blah, blah...
I am thinking we have finally found a use for some black ops ships - I think we will try cloaking one near a fully tanked hulk and see if someone tries to gank it. With Sebos and a command ship in system, we can lock on in well under 2 seconds and turn on 4 shield transporters, a remote armor repper, and a remote hull repper. Should massively increase the tank of the hulk :).
Anyway, can't think of much else to do with a Black Ops bs anyway. HA has given the Black Ops ships meaning!
Won't work when they can instapop the hulk before the repper even has a chance to lock the hulk. |
Kerak Chevaliers
Amarr
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance |
Posted - 2011.02.11 15:09:00 - [ 193]
Edited by: Kerak Chevaliers on 11/02/2011 15:14:17 Originally by: Tuggboat
Do the math. Who/what are you interacting with and in that interaction, are you working with or against (versus)? your personal goal may be to play pvp but thats not what your actually doing.
your working WITH the hulk bpo owners, with the moon goo holders, with the marketers, with the manufacturers, with your gang mates, with rats, etc etc etc.
Finaly you have done all this prep work with the environment, maybe a months worth. and you jump into a system your databases or forums or chat channels suggest will be a good target. you open up your scanner and NOW your player versus player. In a few minutes that part is over. COncord, the environment now comes after you and you are back interacting with the environment again.
Do the math. if your spending 95 or 99% of your time working with the environment your not really playing against players. even if you farm a burst of hulks it only because of the prep time you did before. Anyone who thinks otherwise is like the manufacturer who thinks his mins are free cause he mines them himself.
In this game its the manufactures killing pvpers, making them commit suicide. Manufactures and miners play the forums and your imaginations. This is how we kill pirates.
People working with people. Its a social game of people working with others. Unity is stronger than chaos, PVP is a fallacy.
Stop drinking the kool-aid. The fact is that, brief though PvP might be, it's what generates the most important systemic effects (either the threat of force, or the use thereof.) That, indeed, is why people are spending 95% of the time, as you have it, interacting with the environment (and this doesn't involve other players, such as the competition between traders, manufacturers and raw mineral producers?)in preparation for (or catering for players that do)the remaining 5%. And I think you're way off on that ratio anyway; you're forgetting that PvP can be very cheap. To co-opt something from IR - hard power is understood in a soft power context (war being an anomaly in generally peaceful relations between states.) It hardly makes the hard power any less decisive though. |
Zircalla |
Posted - 2011.02.11 15:46:00 - [ 194]
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Won't work when they can instapop the hulk before the repper even has a chance to lock the hulk.
Well, this is what we are going to find out :P. With the proper command ships in system/fleet (Damnation with AW mindlink and Vulcan with SW Mindlink), we get a pretty nice tank on a shield rigged/hardened hulk (DCU and Internal structure thingy down low). Thinking it may not insta-pop, but maybe it will. Past experience (some first hand  ) makes me think that most gankers will not have insta-pop damage for this setup. Anyway, although we would be mining, that isn't the point at all... |
gDoctor Stangelove |
Posted - 2011.02.12 13:54:00 - [ 195]
Originally by: Wellan McHuntley
Hulkaguedon is organised by the Goonswarm Federation wich have the BPO for the hulk. They have a year to make a lot of them...
This is wrong. The Prophet Karttoon, may his name forever live in shame, asked Goonswarm to help kill the infidels. After a while Karttoon went out and kicked all the directors from Goons and stole most of their stuff and turned off all the POS's so goons lost the region of DELVE. HULK BPO's have nothing to do with this. |
gDoctor Stangelove |
Posted - 2011.02.12 13:57:00 - [ 196]
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Dirk Decibel |
Posted - 2011.02.12 18:10:00 - [ 197]
Originally by: gDoctor Stangelove
Originally by: Wellan McHuntley
Hulkaguedon is organised by the Goonswarm Federation wich have the BPO for the hulk. They have a year to make a lot of them...
This is wrong.
The Prophet Karttoon, may his name forever live in shame, asked Goonswarm to help kill the infidels.
After a while Karttoon went out and kicked all the directors from Goons and stole most of their stuff and turned off all the POS's so goons lost the region of DELVE.
HULK BPO's have nothing to do with this.
Karttoon best Goon! ^^ |
Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2011.02.12 20:59:00 - [ 198]
Edited by: Umega on 12/02/2011 21:01:47 Originally by: gDoctor Stangelove
Originally by: Taedrin
Good god people, put the hulk away and mine in a covetor if you must. It's not that big of a deal!
Originally by: Zircalla
Edited by: Zircalla on 11/02/2011 14:26:33
Edited by: Zircalla on 11/02/2011 14:25:48
Bah! Working with, working against, blah, blah, blah...
I am thinking we have finally found a use for some black ops ships - I think we will try cloaking one near a fully tanked hulk and see if someone tries to gank it. With Sebos and a command ship in system, we can lock on in well under 2 seconds and turn on 4 shield transporters, a remote armor repper, and a remote hull repper. Should massively increase the tank of the hulk :).
Anyway, can't think of much else to do with a Black Ops bs anyway. HA has given the Black Ops ships meaning!
Won't work when they can instapop the hulk before the repper even has a chance to lock the hulk.
A tanked hulk is impossible to kill unless you have about 2000 DPS on it in a 0.6-0.7 system. Just tank your damn hulk and no one will kill you.
This is soooooo true.. Impossible. But you'll need to fit some Pithi A-type shield amps.. and you can perma-run a Gisti B-type small shield booster.. you should definitely fit these and tank your hulks, cause there is no possible way you'll get ganked in a tanked hulk. Impossible. EDIT: The Caldari and Dread Guristas invuln fields are also very nice in tanking your Hulks.. I STRONGLY recommend them. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance |
Posted - 2011.02.12 22:56:00 - [ 199]
Quote:
This is soooooo true.. Impossible. But you'll need to fit some Pithi A-type shield amps.. and you can perma-run a Gisti B-type small shield booster.. you should definitely fit these and tank your hulks, cause there is no possible way you'll get ganked in a tanked hulk. Impossible.
EDIT: The Caldari and Dread Guristas invuln fields are also very nice in tanking your Hulks.. I STRONGLY recommend them.
Is this a joke or are you trying to pre-load your kill damage? Oh yes, put the most expensive items you can find on your lumbering non-combat ship.. because it will make you soooo invincible.. and don't forget to tell everyone where you'll be.. so we can come and ....look..yeah that's the ticket. Kill an expensive ship - get brag rights.. kill an expensive ship with faction gear on it - make some money when faction gear drops off into the wreak. |
Reaper XI |
Posted - 2011.02.12 23:25:00 - [ 200]
Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Is this a joke or are you trying to pre-load your kill damage? Oh yes, put the most expensive items you can find on your lumbering non-combat ship.. because it will make you soooo invincible.. and don't forget to tell everyone where you'll be.. so we can come and ....look..yeah that's the ticket.
Kill an expensive ship - get brag rights.. kill an expensive ship with faction gear on it - make some money when faction gear drops off into the wreak.
You make decent money suiciding Hulks anyway. That's part of the fun. Hulks normaly have t2 strips and cargo expanders which sell for a few mil each + mining crystals + t2 salvage. ~15 mil worth of loot normaly drops A faction/ deapspace fitted Hulk is a nice bonus (yes some idiots actualy do it). You lose a few tens of thousands of isk suiciding a thrasher, in exchange for a few mil in loot after it's divied up between 4/5 of you. |
Tuggboat
Minmatar |
Posted - 2011.02.13 02:06:00 - [ 201]
Don't you make more farming rats to get your security standing back up though? Meet your inner carebear. |
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts |
Posted - 2011.02.13 04:24:00 - [ 202]
Originally by: Tuggboat
Don't you make more farming rats to get your security standing back up though? Meet your inner carebear.
Farming rats is completely unsastisfying... |
Shakon |
Posted - 2011.02.13 05:05:00 - [ 203]
Besides they just Bio Mas the toon anyway. And go back to macro ratting. |
Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island |
Posted - 2011.02.13 14:54:00 - [ 204]
Originally by: Shakon
Besides they just Bio Mas the toon anyway. And go back to macro ratting.
You sound so mad! You keep sperging your delusions and misinformation all over the forums as if it were truth; but at the end of the line you're just a joker, and my name is the one they remember. Recycling alts is a bannable offense, as I've pointed out many times before, and take special care to point out to players joining the hulkageddon orphanage for the event; regardless of that no alt has ever won any big prizes thusfar, they tend to go to -10 pirates who are extremely driven to beat other pirate corps in the contest. But please, do continue your amusing rhetoric and whining, it keeps me cheerful through the workdays. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance |
Posted - 2011.02.13 18:05:00 - [ 205]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Shakon
Besides they just Bio Mas the toon anyway. And go back to macro ratting.
You sound so mad!
I didn't get "mad" out of that.. cynical yes. |
egola
Amarr |
Posted - 2011.02.14 01:03:00 - [ 206]
hmmm it isn't a breach of service but you know how it always is, theres a very fine line between harassment/exploit and featured gameplay |
Shakon |
Posted - 2011.02.14 01:18:00 - [ 207]
Edited by: Shakon on 14/02/2011 02:08:06
U mad?
Why u Mad? |
Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island |
Posted - 2011.02.14 06:21:00 - [ 208]
Originally by: egola
hmmm it isn't a breach of service but you know how it always is, theres a very fine line between harassment/exploit and featured gameplay
That's why we quintuple checked with GMs that it was within the rules before the first Hulkageddon. |
Aessoroz
Nohbdy. |
Posted - 2011.02.14 13:58:00 - [ 209]
Edited by: Aessoroz on 14/02/2011 13:57:53 Originally by: egola
hmmm it isn't a breach of service but you know how it always is, theres a very fine line between harassment/exploit and featured gameplay
Featured gameplay - yep, nonconsensual pvp is a feature harassment - nope exploit - nope, as long as concord takes out the ganker ships in the end its all good. |
Zircalla |
Posted - 2011.02.14 15:58:00 - [ 210]
In the 'old' days (but not really so long ago), new alts got like 750k skill points to start with, so with minimal training you could get a gank alt very quickly. I assume (even with baseline skill and 2x training speed) that you would have to spend a little bit more time to get a gank alt going. |
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