Posted - 2010.11.25 18:36:00 - [3]

 

i hate simpletons like your self.

why not get rid of training or ship requirements,

lets get rid of races, lets have just one ship with one gun so that everyone is on the same field.

I like choice and if I want all my skill points in one are to advance something more then another why cant I.

Posted - 2010.11.25 20:36:00 - [5]

 

NO **** YOU THIS ISNT PART OF THE BANDWAGON **** OFF

Posted - 2010.11.25 22:13:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Culmen

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Ok, learning skills are gone.
Everyone can have all three of their character slots remapped to spec in Combat, and Science and Industry.

So everyone will be training like they had their attributes setup optimally, so why not just remove attributes, have everything train at the same speed.

It's the logical next step and newbie friendly.

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You touch a good point. Now that we have no Learning Skills, CCP just killed diversity in speed when learning new skills, except implants that can affect you speed, these will still exists.

I think having everyone training at the same speed is taking away a nice and important part of EVE, people sacrificed time to train Learning Skills to gain something on the long term. This is gone now and it is replaced with nothing.

I believe this is bad, taking the Learning Skills away and giving nothing back is a bit superficial. I agree to some extent that training Learning Skills was a bad game feature, but now how can a new player improve on his learning speed besides implants? There is nothing left. Perhaps we should have implants that range from 1-10 attributes points, but that wont solve the problem.

With these skills you had a choice to improve your speed, after the change there is little you can do besides implants. Wasn't the point of Learning Skills a question of character specialization, a choice you made? Now that is gone. Isn't training skills among the most important part of EvE, with this change people now have little or no control over that part. All train at the same time more or less, it becomes a rather boring act of just changing your skill queue and that is it, its no longer a strategic decision you do.

New players did not have to train ONLY Learning Skills when they started EvE there was a trade off between them and other skills, that worked for me pretty nicely. I am not sure that this is the reason newbies gave up on EvE, this is among the last reasons they do.

I guess this decision will be a bad one IF CCP does not offer some alternatives to keep diversity and specialization when training skills. I guess having 600 mil skill points in EvE and choosing where to specialize will be the only strategic choice you have now when everyone trains at similar speeds.

Or put simply there is no viable alternative to Learning Skills, thus you just ditch them since the gain of not having them and giving people same speed is better than having to train for three months skills that add little to your gameplay or so some say.

Posted - 2010.11.26 02:06:00 - [9]

 

Originally by: Zombatar

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excellent stuff

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This really.

But really right now, without learning skills, attributes are just a minor hassel and don't encourage people to specialize at all.

Posted - 2010.11.26 02:13:00 - [11]

 

Originally by: Betty Boom

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Originally by: Culmen

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Ok, learning skills are gone.
Everyone can have all three of their character slots remapped to spec in Combat, and Science and Industry.

So everyone will be training like they had their attributes setup optimally, so why not just remove attributes, have everything train at the same speed.

It's the logical next step and newbie friendly.

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No - CCP want remap for PLEX. So - No - your idea would stand against micropayment.

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no they don't, haven't you been reading the news?

also I say no, since they could some day use attributes for something else more useful. Like in say incarna, or the whole joystick combat in asteroids dungeons thing they've talked about for a while.

Posted - 2010.11.26 02:33:00 - [13]

 

I swear to god, you people are the lowest common denominator. Remappable attribute points aren't going anywhere, FFS. There is still a time differentiation in how quickly you can learn skills based on how you've remapped your attributes. The only difference is that you (basically) train as though you had learning 5/5. In practice it's slightly less (you actually have .3 less attribute points per attribute or something like that) but other than that the system hasn't changed.

Posted - 2010.11.26 03:59:00 - [15]

 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Step three: Add Dwarves and orcs.

Seriously OP, no.

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thought the minny race was the orcs. Throw up structures and vehicles from whatever scrap is laying around and it just works somehow, used to be slaves (granted slaves to amarr and not demons...but still slaves lol).


CCP gives a present...and the muppers look a gift horse in the mouth. Got your x-mas/Kwanzaa/hanukkah/etc present early....enjoy.

Posted - 2010.11.26 04:34:00 - [17]

 

Originally by: Forum Guy

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Don't worry you will get over it.

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Maybe he won't get over it. Maybe it will haunt him until his dying day.

Yeah, that'd be pretty sweet.

Posted - 2010.11.26 05:23:00 - [19]

 

Edited by: Culmen on 26/11/2010 05:25:45

Originally by: Black Dranzer

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Remaps ask: What are you going to train over the next year?
Learning skills ask: Are you going to train any skills ever?

Hell, I'd be in favor of increasing the frequency of remaps just to give that gameplay decision more prominence.

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Actually remaps ask... Am I going to train that skill on this char? or the other two chars on this account?

With specialized attributes, the question is now trivial, "Gee do i train that non-combat skill on my int/per specced char, or my mem/int industry alt?"
Obviously the second answer.

Also you now get three remaps a year per account, three chars one remap a pop.

Also

Originally by: Forum Guy

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To the OP stop trolling.

The only thing this post of yours suggests is you are not particularly happy the learning skills have gone.

Don't worry you will get over it.

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Point to a single word on my posts that say I'm upset.
I'm getting 2 million + sp and fast track for 2 datacore alts per account.

Would like more, SP to compensate for not having maxed learning skill, isk for skill books...
But name some one who doesn't want more SP and ISK.

Posted - 2010.11.26 05:51:00 - [21]

 

Edited by: Culmen on 26/11/2010 05:54:37

Originally by: Black Dranzer

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Originally by: Culmen

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Actually remaps ask... Am I going to train that skill on this char? or the other two chars on this account?

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Interesting point, but I'm questioning how many people really have alts on the same account. Different accounts, sure, but the same account? I'd need to see statistics.

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Currently not many I'd wager, and the majority of that would be bought characters,
but that's about to change.

Int/mem has use for pvp support skills, any main would train up the learning skills for those two stats.

Hence you had to choose, do I spec my attributes to develop industry or science skills on this char or put stuff into perception/will?

Now manufacturing/research alt, has no need for perception or willpower.
So everything goes into int/mem.

Now previously, learning skills made the decision between alt and main obvious.
Train the main, he has learning skills.
But the decision for attribute specialization had meaning, industry or combat, it will decided the next 12 months.

Now the decision is trivial, industry/research goes on the alt.
Not only that but the attribute question is also trivial now, spec one for industry, dump all industry skills on one alt, switch between the two whenever you feel like it.

We're cheapening the decision to the point that it might not as well be there.
So rather then spending the next few years explaining the concept to everyone, just remove the whole choice, it seems the next logical step.

Posted - 2010.11.26 06:09:00 - [23]

 

Wait a sec, I thought Dominion was Titan Online?

Posted - 2010.11.26 06:48:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: Culmen

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Originally by: Black Dranzer

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Originally by: Culmen

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Actually remaps ask... Am I going to train that skill on this char? or the other two chars on this account?

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Interesting point, but I'm questioning how many people really have alts on the same account. Different accounts, sure, but the same account? I'd need to see statistics.

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Currently not many I'd wager, and the majority of that would be bought characters,
but that's about to change.

Int/mem has use for pvp support skills, any main would train up the learning skills for those two stats.

Hence you had to choose, do I spec my attributes to develop industry or science skills on this char or put stuff into perception/will?

Now manufacturing/research alt, has no need for perception or willpower.
So everything goes into int/mem.

Now previously, learning skills made the decision between alt and main obvious.
Train the main, he has learning skills.
But the decision for attribute specialization had meaning, industry or combat, it will decided the next 12 months.

Now the decision is trivial, industry/research goes on the alt.
Not only that but the attribute question is also trivial now, spec one for industry, dump all industry skills on one alt, switch between the two whenever you feel like it.

We're cheapening the decision to the point that it might not as well be there.
So rather then spending the next few years explaining the concept to everyone, just remove the whole choice, it seems the next logical step.

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Interesting line of thought.. and when one can think it, 1000's will do it.

In the end it all comes down to one universal problem you can't really tackle.. perceived immortality as cause for 'never being able to catch up'.
I personally have no solution for that one.. well, maybe restricting the SP per char to some 50-100M SP and if you want to stay 'sharp' in any given field you have to make use of those trained skills. Otherwise they wither and you start to loose skillpoints there.. would certainly **** off several skillpoint-collector-type of players (you know the kind of crowd that just keeps grinding and collecting stuff)

Posted - 2010.11.26 07:23:00 - [27]

 

the only way to do this is too
remove remaps
fix skill points
remove implants or only have 1 implant that increases training speed by x ammount.


please dont remove attributes, it makes it a thinking mans game.

Posted - 2010.11.26 18:25:00 - [29]

 

Originally by: Culmen

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Originally by: Zombatar

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excellent stuff

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This really.

But really right now, without learning skills, attributes are just a minor hassel and don't encourage people to specialize at all.

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Yeah I mean it's not like each character can train completely different skill sets to each other resulting in specialization in mining, combat, market trading or manufacturing is it ? oh wai...