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Topic |
Zealiff
Perkone |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:34:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Zealiff on 22/11/2010 20:48:06
Just a thought...do you think planning your skills based on Certificates is a good thing, OK, or bad?
Thanks |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:46:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 22/11/2010 20:47:53
I don't do it.
I prefer to plan my skills and tailer them to the line up of ships I am using.
Such as:
*12 Day skill will get me a Certificate. It will improve Tracking by 5%
*6 seperate 2 Day Skills won't get me a certificate but will increase my speed, Dmg, HP, Align Time, Lock Time and range by 5%. As well as let me use 2 new mods and a new Tech 2 Version of one I already have.
In that case I would take option 2 to be more effective now and train option 1 and get the Certificate as a bonus when it is the best improvement to the ships I fly.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:46:00 - [ 3]
For new players, Certificates provide skill groups that theoretically work well together, so considering what they suggest is a good thing. Finishing certificates before diversifying is likely bad, consider it a work in progress.
I suggest:
Look at the ship you want to fly, see what it suggests, focus on the minimum, then look at the certs. |
Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:48:00 - [ 4]
I prefer to browse skills the old fashioned way to see what I can improve. It also helps me learn more details on game mechanics that those skills may govern. Such as tracking. |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:48:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
For new players, Certificates provide skill groups that theoretically work well together, so considering what they suggest is a good thing. Finishing certificates before diversifying is likely bad, consider it a work in progress.
I suggest:
Look at the ship you want to fly, see what it suggests, focus on the minimum, then look at the certs.
this. |
Zealiff
Perkone |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:50:00 - [ 6]
Interesting.
I started out by planning my skills to be able to fly a certain ship. Then realized, i can fly it, but i dont have the skills to back anything up, or do anything "worthwhile" in it.
Then i went to Certs.
Now, i'm just confused, and just improving on things based on the skills. This feels like the way to go. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:53:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: Zealiff
Interesting.
I started out by planning my skills to be able to fly a certain ship. Then realized, i can fly it, but i dont have the skills to back anything up, or do anything "worthwhile" in it.
Then i went to Certs.
Now, i'm just confused, and just improving on things based on the skills. This feels like the way to go.
What ship are you looking at and what role do you plan to fly it in? |
Zealiff
Perkone |
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:56:00 - [ 8]
Well, I am not planning on another ship yet, until i figure out what the hell to do.
I started the missle direction, and got up to a Raven = for missions
Then went the mining direction, and got up to Hulk/Orca = for mining (obviously).
Now, i was thinking about what i was doing and wondering if this is the "right" way of doing this.
So, i stopped skilling for a certain ship, and i'm going back and learning that things i know, but just improve them. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:07:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Zealiff
Well, I am not planning on another ship yet, until i figure out what the hell to do.
I started the missle direction, and got up to a Raven = for missions
Then went the mining direction, and got up to Hulk/Orca = for mining (obviously).
Now, i was thinking about what i was doing and wondering if this is the "right" way of doing this.
So, i stopped skilling for a certain ship, and i'm going back and learning that things i know, but just improve them.
I trained all over the board in the begining to and got a bunch of races ships I can not use. I decided on didn't want to be less then useless in PVP so I chose the Hurricane and boosted my Nav, Gun, Fitting and Tank skills and found the more Tech 2 Gear I could use and the more bonuses I aqquired made my one ship 3 times better then anything else I had. I am now doing the same thing with the Drake getting my Missile skills up(already have the tank, fitting and speed support skills from the Cane). What you need to ask your self is what is it you want to acheive. If you want to only mine work up Minning, Industry and Barge skills. If you want to only do missions go with Tank, Missile and Battleship skills. If you want to PVE/PVP get Battlecruiser, tank and weapons skills up. You are gonna have to make a hard choice if you want to advance. |
Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel |
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:10:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
For new players, Certificates provide skill groups that theoretically work well together, so considering what they suggest is a good thing. Finishing certificates before diversifying is likely bad, consider it a work in progress.
I suggest:
Look at the ship you want to fly, see what it suggests, focus on the minimum, then look at the certs.
great advice. as an addendum with regards to specific choices, I would suggest going into EvEmon and looking up the ship you want and then checking the battlclinic loadouts you like and that have good feedback. EvEMon will then give you a complete training path to get into that fitting. I do often browse the certs, however, as looking through them will often give me an indication of where my training might be deficient but I think "chasing certs" will be less useful than tailored training. |
Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:14:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Zealiff
Edited by: Zealiff on 22/11/2010 20:48:06
Just a thought...do you think planning your skills based on Certificates is a good thing, OK, or bad?
Thanks
I'd say it depends on how much you know about the game. If you don't know what you're doing, following the certs (or at least taking advice from them) can't hurt. |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University |
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:23:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 22/11/2010 21:24:52
I suspect certificates were brought in to try and give people a reason to spend that 10 or 20+ days getting a skill to 5 when it just offers a 2% increase.
It's fine to use as a guideline for what skills certain things depend on, but i don't agree with the levels they say certain things should be at. Even for some 'basic' things it's asking too much. |
CCP Greyscale
 |
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:33:00 - [ 13]
One of the main reasons for doing certs was for people who really do have no idea what to train. If you think you can come up with a more specific set of skills for your particular goals then I'd encourage you to try that out. If you're totally stumped, or you're not sure where to start, certs are probably worth looking at. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech |
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:40:00 - [ 14]
Eve has certificates?  The best way to learn what to skill is to use your own brain, without any data in the beginning that would be a slow process of learning though. So, listening to experienced players is the way to go in the beginning. Join chat-channels or, even better, join newbie friendly player corps like Eve-University! |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada |
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:42:00 - [ 15]
Maxing out the Core Certs was the best thing I ever did.
Also, I like making it public so people can freak out when they see it ROFL! |
Zealiff
Perkone |
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:46:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Zealiff on 22/11/2010 22:06:52
All good information.
In the beginning, i started using EveMon to do the required skills for a specific ship that i wanted to fly. Then i started looking at the Recommended Certificates that goes with that ship.
Then i started skilling for items that people were fitting on the ship i wanted to fly per above.
Now, this kind of act is like using a Garmon in a city that is too large to learn in a short time. Yes, you can get around using it, but you have to rely on it and you dont learn anything.
This is what is happening to me. I can train skills based on all of the above, but i think i am not learning as much as i would by picking skills by studying them.
I go back and forth from Missioning to Mining, because i get bored with one or the other and i want learn something else. I dont think this is bad, since i plan on keeping this toon for the duration of my Eve life.
This is where Certificate chasing is bad. Go to Evemon, and check out he Recommended Certs for a Cormorant. I use this thing for salvaging because of the 8 high slots...not for that cert fitting. One thing says this, one thing says that. For a new player, that time would have been wasted. So, i think using my brain is helpful too :)
I agree. I strongly think that the core and defence certs are very important. Hence, i do them. |
Black Dranzer
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:03:00 - [ 17]
I like certificates. They present some generally good advice (Particularly the "core" certificate set) for skill planning. They're also an achiever typed thing. |
Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel |
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:11:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 22/11/2010 22:11:56 Originally by: Zealiff
Now, this kind of act is like using a Garmon in a city that is too large to learn in a short time.
was this a Freudian sl ut? |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse |
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:14:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 22/11/2010 22:11:56
Originally by: Zealiff
Now, this kind of act is like using a Garmon in a city that is too large to learn in a short time.
was this a Freudian slut?
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2010.11.23 01:49:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
One of the main reasons for doing certs was for people who really do have no idea what to train. If you think you can come up with a more specific set of skills for your particular goals then I'd encourage you to try that out. If you're totally stumped, or you're not sure where to start, certs are probably worth looking at.
It's also good for veterans to see what skill they want to train next. When you are clearing 20-30 day skills, you kinda keep forgetting which one was supposed to be next. |
Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2010.11.23 02:24:00 - [ 21]
The core competency certificates are exactly what the doctor ordered for noobs who want to get into battleships ASAP. Back in the day, bitter vets would have to tell noobs to focus on their core support skills before getting into a battleship. Now we can just tell them to work on their core competency certificates.
The tanking and weapon specialization certificates are also wonderful guides. |
Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries |
Posted - 2010.11.23 03:13:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Taedrin
The tanking and weapon specialization certificates are also wonderful guides.
I'm still awaiting the day when I have free time to finish off my elite hull tanking certificate  |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
|
Posted - 2010.11.23 04:56:00 - [ 23]
I agree that at least core certificates are definitely good to have. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE |
Posted - 2010.11.23 04:57:00 - [ 24]
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Enno Duluoz |
Posted - 2010.11.23 06:57:00 - [ 25]
If you need a a battlecruiser to pvp... |
Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar
Rebirth. |
Posted - 2010.11.23 07:17:00 - [ 26]
Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 23/11/2010 07:20:02
Meh, never paid attention to Evemon or Certs. Just asked fellow players, and poured over the skills. And it became a see a need fill a need kind of thing. like the thrasher. I fell in love with that ship. I wanted to fly it uber fit. Found out about T2 guns, so I trained for small T2 guns. Then I realized I didn't have the CPU or Grid to fit, so I trained skills that effected that. Then I moved up to the BC's which made me train med guns, and armor tanks skills. Then the maelstrom caught my eye so I trained for shield stuff and T2 large guns.
atm I'm doing my drone stuff to squeeze out a couple more dps.
some day I'll get around to training MWD T2, and Webbifier T2, but they not a high priority atm. They so specific it's not worth to train atm. Drone stuff will boost all my drones dps tank etc. and get all flavor T2 drones. I see more benifit. at the same time after doing T2 torpedoes I see no reason to really spend much time doing missle traiing past what I already have. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.11.23 07:38:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Zendoren
Maxing out the Core Certs was the best thing I ever did.
Also, I like making it public so people can freak out when they see it ROFL!
You'l never go wrong with Core Competency Elite. I dont think will shiver in their pants when seeing it, or IF they see it. I've never had anyone comment on it. Personally I don't browse peoples profiles enough to see their medals/certs |
Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp |
Posted - 2010.11.23 10:45:00 - [ 28]
Ranting removed. Please keep the discussion constructive and on topic. Spitfire
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Amon Tyr |
Posted - 2010.11.23 11:08:00 - [ 29]
I'd just ignore certificates if I were you. Just click on "show all skills" on the character screen settings once in a while and get the skillbooks for all the useful green ones available. |
Sturmwolke |
Posted - 2010.11.23 11:43:00 - [ 30]
Edited by: Sturmwolke on 23/11/2010 11:44:16
When CCP first introduced the certificates, my thought was meh, useless cosmetics.
Since then, my impression of the certificates has improved considerably. Why?
It provides a common ground when players talk about skill training - just like English is an international language. You also don't have to babble incessantly on the extra details, just saying train the Core Fitting to Standard or Improved is enough. Many of the skills covered by the certificates are fairly optimal (generally speaking) and the mix is nicely balanced. So, if you were to plan your trainings purely based on these certificates, you don't have to worry much about doing something wrong. |
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