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Minmatar |
Posted - 2010.11.04 02:54:00 - [ 1]
So what kind of bonuses and slot layout modifications would you give the Legion to bring it on par with the other T3s (including the Tengu)?
I was thinking that it's defensive sub systems are mostly fine so they can remain, but the ewar electronics sub could use a slight boost to range per level, perhaps a 7.5% bonus with a corresponding reduction (but not complete removal) in the drain amount to something like 5% or 7.5% to prevent the Legion from outright obsoleting the Pilgrim and Curse in one blow.
Offensively, it could use a slight boost to HAM range and damage, when compared to the outright silly DPS numbers a HAM Tengu, blaster Proteus or Loki could put up. With lasers, perhaps a moderate boost to powergrid to enable it to fit a full rack of HPL2s? For the covert sub, halve the cap bonus, but give a 5% damage bonus. That would ungimp the covert sub and allow for adequately powerful cloaky Legions. For the drone subsystem, 250m3 of dronebay and 125mbits of bandwidth please. Across the remaining offensive subsystems, give 25m3 of dronebay and bandwidth, enough for a flight of ECM drones. A big part of the Loki's appeal in PvP (in spite of slightly less damage and far less EHP than other T3s) is the ability to carry both a flight of light drones and the GTFO button of 5 ECM drones as well.
Yay, nay? Got better ideas? |
Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire |
Posted - 2010.11.04 03:51:00 - [ 2]
I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
The legion is the ONLY t3 ship that makes sense and is actually where it should be.
Bring the other T3's down to its level. |
Ayden Shadowblade |
Posted - 2010.11.04 04:34:00 - [ 3]
I agree to some extent with the post above...I do however think that the laser subsystem needs a little boost...After all that I have to ask if you are completely freaking mental? WHY would you ask for a LEGION, an Amarr ship, to be a missile boat? Have you completely lost your mind?
Now that that is over, bring the other t3s down just a tad and give a buff if not to the pure damage output then to the range/ammount of neut...that part i agree, we have the only subsystem that is pretty much useless...loki has the awesome web, proteus has the point snipe, the tengu im not as familiar with but with their ecm history i have to guess its decent. Legion is a amazing boat in design just lacking slightly in implimentation. It wouldnt take a lot to bring it back to the head of the class with the other T3s...just my 2 cents |
Aamrr |
Posted - 2010.11.04 05:07:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: Aamrr on 04/11/2010 05:09:12
Nerf the Tengu's RoF bonus to 5% per level instead of 7.5%
Um...yeah, that's pretty much it. Once you do that, all the T3s have more or less equal damage output/projection ratios. The covert legion subsystem could maybe use a bit of help, and the neut bonus should probably be a range bonus instead of strength, but...
...yeah, nerf Tengu RoF.
EDIT: I say this as someone who is 3 days from finishing a 2-month Tengu crosstrain. Nerf the Tengu. |
TheKalila |
Posted - 2010.11.04 05:08:00 - [ 5]
What you are proposing would overpower the Legion.
The HAM subsystem is the strongest for PvP, and the 100mn AB HAM brick fit is very strong as it is. The Legion is a fine fleet booster and a great PvE ship for wormholes, the best for armor RR gangs and no ammo logistics.
So... stop whining. Covert subsystem buff/rework would be nice but then the Legion would tbe the best T3 period. So maybe not then. |
Aamrr |
Posted - 2010.11.04 05:16:00 - [ 6]
How would a single change to a single line of a single subsystem of a single T3 suddenly make the legion overpowered? Suddenly the Legion goes from being generally accepted as the worst T3 to "overpowered"? Just because the Tengu has 10 effective launchers instead of 12, retains a range advantage, and can choose between HMLs and HAMs?
The Tengu would remain the consumate missile platform even after this very reasonable nerf. Don't lose your head. |
TheKalila |
Posted - 2010.11.04 05:45:00 - [ 7]
 Originally by: Aamrr
How would a single change to a single line of a single subsystem of a single T3 suddenly make the legion overpowered? Suddenly the Legion goes from being generally accepted as the worst T3 to "overpowered"? Just because the Tengu has 10 effective launchers instead of 12, retains a range advantage, and can choose between HMLs and HAMs?
The Tengu would remain the consumate missile platform even after this very reasonable nerf. Don't lose your head.
I was refering to the OPs suggestions, not yours. Sorry. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE |
Posted - 2010.11.04 05:47:00 - [ 8]
how about a 4 turret slot 100% bonus to large energy turrets, pg reduction, and cap reduction to large lasers  a tachyon legion would be awesome and you know it! |
Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation |
Posted - 2010.11.04 06:50:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
how about a 4 turret slot 100% bonus to large energy turrets, pg reduction, and cap reduction to large lasers
a tachyon legion would be awesome and you know it!
FUND IT |
Aamrr |
Posted - 2010.11.04 07:11:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: TheKalila
I was refering to the OPs suggestions, not yours. Sorry.
Ack. Forgive me for assuming. Thank you for responding kindly when I did not. |
Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries |
Posted - 2010.11.04 07:23:00 - [ 11]
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Target Painter
Minmatar |
Posted - 2010.11.04 08:16:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Sader Rykane
The legion is the ONLY t3 ship that makes sense and is actually where it should be.
Am I the only one who see's T3s are the closest thing to an end-game PvP ship there is? The relative strength of the other three T3s in game certainly points in that direction, but if CCP has ever indicated otherwise, I'd gladly stand corrected. Originally by: Ayden Shadowblade
WHY would you ask for a LEGION, an Amarr ship, to be a missile boat?
I'm somewhat confused here because from day 1 the Legion has had a HAM subsystem which is generally preferred over the laser sub. Quote:
Now that that is over, bring the other t3s down just a tad and give a buff if not to the pure damage output then to the range/ammount of neut...that part i agree, we have the only subsystem that is pretty much useless...loki has the awesome web, proteus has the point snipe, the tengu im not as familiar with but with their ecm history i have to guess its decent.
The Tengu's EWAR are the worst-thought out subs in the game. The Legion's is fairly far away from being that bad, but just as far from the Loki's ridiculously useful EWAR. Originally by: TheKalila
The HAM subsystem is the strongest for PvP, and the 100mn AB HAM brick fit is very strong as it is. The Legion is a fine fleet booster and a great PvE ship for wormholes, the best for armor RR gangs and no ammo logistics.
I like the HAM subsystem very much and it's certainly the strongest for the Legion, but compared to Lokis and Tengus (I don't fly the Proteus) it falls short on range. The 100mn AB fit isn't one I've yet tried though (maybe next time). As for the other roles, I started this thread with solo/small gang PvP in mind, where I feel the Legion lacks the kind of dominance that other T3s offer to justify their cost and SP penalties. Quote:
Covert subsystem buff/rework would be nice but then the Legion would be the best T3 period. So maybe not then.
Loki and Tengu already have adequate cov-ops subs that allow gank-fits to be perfectly viable. I just want the same for the Legion, whereas for right now, the Legion has the worst of the lot. Thanks to the typically useless cap bonus. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2010.11.04 10:28:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
how about a 4 turret slot 100% bonus to large energy turrets, pg reduction, and cap reduction to large lasers
a tachyon legion would be awesome and you know it!
DO WANT |
Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx |
Posted - 2010.11.04 10:40:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Sader Rykane
I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
The legion is the ONLY t3 ship that makes sense and is actually where it should be.
Bring the other T3's down to its level.
I like my Loki just the way it is thank you very much! Versatile, enough DPS and tank to get you by... but extremley useful in ALOT of situations. Tank/gank isn't everything |
Theodemir
Amarr |
Posted - 2010.11.04 12:37:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
how about a 4 turret slot 100% bonus to large energy turrets, pg reduction, and cap reduction to large lasers
a tachyon legion would be awesome and you know it!
How much I would give to have that ship... it would be without limit! |
Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx |
Posted - 2010.11.04 12:46:00 - [ 16]
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Azver Deroven
Amarr
Pitch Black.
Shadow Cartel |
Posted - 2010.11.04 13:49:00 - [ 17]
Am I only one who found himself missing lowslot for laser setup? |
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