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Cpt Smasher |
Posted - 2010.10.29 18:47:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Cpt Smasher on 29/10/2010 19:42:03Edited by: Cpt Smasher on 29/10/2010 18:50:11Hello Ships and modules To me.... The Deimos looks like a gallente vagabond... It has the fall off bonus and double damage bonuses. It has good capacitor, something the vagabond does not have and decent paper dps. I have messed around with this fit in lowsec and have had some success. so i figured i would see what you guys think of it. Its meant to fight around 15-17km. and just maintain an range advantage. It is web equipped to help maintain range. I'm seeing 444 gun dps (510 w/heat) and with drones 573 dps (639 w/heat). It has 24k EHP and 28k with a LG Slave Set. It has 1548ms MWD speed. Comments? suggestions? Anyone else try this? Give it a whirl its pretty fun, Its defiantly a choose your fights ship. Then again, most ships are! [Deimos, Kiting DIEMOST!] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Hybrid Ambit Extension I Medium Hybrid Ambit Extension I Valkyrie II x5 Said FitEdit: Small gang or solo fit. Ed2: 6.5+19 for fall off. |
hjgjgfgfgsj |
Posted - 2010.10.29 19:41:00 - [ 2]
I would shield tank it and bring a couple warrior IIs.
Nice fit tho |
Cpt Smasher |
Posted - 2010.10.29 19:51:00 - [ 3]
Edited by: Cpt Smasher on 29/10/2010 19:53:27 Originally by: hjgjgfgfgsj
I would shield tank it and bring a couple warrior IIs.
Nice fit tho
I did toy around with that, Not in eve but in EFT and i couldn't obtain acceptable results. What i ended up with was a slightly faster, 2k more EHP, and slighly better damage, But unable to control range very well and i lose 4km fall off (15km instead of 19km). Besides the web is offensive or defensive depending on how you need it. You can web a frigate and pound them, or let drones eat them. Also drones are preference, I chose valks because they are fast, and hit explosive allowing me to mix up my damage a bit. Thank you for your feed back! ED: Spelling |
Car Wars
Mortis Angelus
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2010.10.29 20:37:00 - [ 4]
i think in theory you might have a good fit. But isnt the blaster tracking that much worse compared to Winmatar? think therein lies the problem. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns |
Posted - 2010.10.29 21:43:00 - [ 5]
Fit looks ok but I would prefer a shield buffer instead,
[Diemost, Vagamost]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
[empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x5
Fraction more agility, EHP and speed, but if you are happy with your fit and it works thats all that matters I have never flown a Deimos. |
Cpt Smasher |
Posted - 2010.10.29 21:50:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Fit looks ok but I would prefer a shield buffer instead,
[Diemost, Vagamost]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
[empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x5
Fraction more agility, EHP and speed, but if you are happy with your fit and it works thats all that matters I have never flown a Deimos.
I dont think the deimos has the raw speed like the vaga for range control without a web helping out. Not to mention the web is great for frigate defense. |
I likegirls
Minmatar |
Posted - 2010.10.29 23:40:00 - [ 7]
<3 Vigilant |
Omara Otawan |
Posted - 2010.10.30 05:11:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Omara Otawan on 30/10/2010 05:14:44 Originally by: Car Wars
i think in theory you might have a good fit. But isnt the blaster tracking that much worse compared to Winmatar? think therein lies the problem.
Blasters typically track even better than the respective autocannons. But its a non-issue anyway, relative tracking increases as range increases. @OP: I'd go with the shield variant, try to squeeze in a 2nd TE instead of the dual ambit rigs. (Actually the fit you quoted above is pretty good start, raw speed is not really needed that much as long as its just fast enough and has decent agility). |
Seraph Castillon
Gallente |
Posted - 2010.10.30 10:24:00 - [ 9]
You have about half the speed of a Vagabond and less EHP. It's also less agile. That web you're fitting is only going to hold off one target (and not even outside of point range should you need to get away). Raw speed makes for much more versatility if you ask me.
It might work in 1v1's, but it's not a Vagabond :p |
TheKalila |
Posted - 2010.10.30 10:50:00 - [ 10]
All HACs are somewhat capable of being fit along the same lines and using the same tactics as a Vaga (namely I believe the HAM Cerb is a prime example, especially with a Crash booster  ). But they just aren't going to be anywhere near as effective when coming up against equal opposition, however, for the fact that they are underestimated and still fit the bill for the same purpose atleast, you can have a lot of fun fights with them! |
wizard87 |
Posted - 2010.10.30 11:09:00 - [ 11]
Forgive me for asking, but why/what would you be kiting instead of just rolling in at 1000m to do facemelt damage?
It seems to me you have commitment issues - the ship is made for kill or be killed, hence its "overly poor" reputation.
I don't see any advantage of being at 10-14 km from a target, doing less damage, mwd'ing about wasting your cap when you wont out-range or really out-maneuver anything cruiser sized as its a fairly slow ship with a plate fitted (frigate and below could run before you lock).
If its for BS or BC, then you're still in Heavy neut range, and they will still track/out-tank you 1v1.
"Range advantage" and blasters (even with null) is craptalk unless your facing another blaster ship using antimatter. For everything else you're still at a good range, so again I ask what is the point of this fit? |
Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
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Posted - 2010.10.30 13:23:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Sadayiel on 30/10/2010 13:25:51 Originally by: wizard87
Forgive me for asking, but why/what would you be kiting instead of just rolling in at 1000m to do facemelt damage?
It seems to me you have commitment issues - the ship is made for kill or be killed, hence its "overly poor" reputation.
I don't see any advantage of being at 10-14 km from a target, doing less damage, mwd'ing about wasting your cap when you wont out-range or really out-maneuver anything cruiser sized as its a fairly slow ship with a plate fitted (frigate and below could run before you lock).
If its for BS or BC, then you're still in Heavy neut range, and they will still track/out-tank you 1v1.
"Range advantage" and blasters (even with null) is craptalk unless your facing another blaster ship using antimatter. For everything else you're still at a good range, so again I ask what is the point of this fit?
this sums it all pretty much, you plan to kite but you get a plate AND a reactor control unit (2x mods wasted) instead get 2x overdrive as example. i used to fly this setup but with an EANM II and explo harder in lows with a third magstab (drop third for the track enhancer if ya wish moar range) and also drop the small nos as it takes way more cpu and pgrid than it really helps. deimost got his title not due his crappiness (has poor reputation due the troubles to fit a decent tank and still have cap with the blasters) but still even today very experienced pilots like to see a deimos with neutrons in close range pounding their ships. |
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