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Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:03:00 - [1]
 

It’s not a rumour. It’s true. The iPhone application Capsuleer, written by PyjamaSam and Roc Wieler, is no more.

We thank the community for their tremendous response and encouragement, and this has been a decision we’ve been struggling with for quite some time, but have agreed it is the correct decision to make.

We also feel a responsibility to explain to our users how and why we came to this decision.

Fanfest 2008

CCP was gracious enough to fly Chris and Marcus to Iceland for Fanfest, to discuss business opportunities between CCP and Capsuleer. If you were at Fanfest, you would know that CCP promoted Capsuleer quite a bit during their talks, with CCP Oveur stating “Capsuleer ****ing rocks” during the keynote, as well as several screenshots of Capsuleer during their mobile presentation.

And true to their word, a business meeting did occur.

CCP expressed their genuine excitement and interest in working with Marcus and Chris in some capacity, and committed to internal research to see what could be done to accommodate a business relationship.

CCP hoped to be in touch with the next steps to move forward within a few weeks.

That few weeks turned into months, with little to no communication. They are a busy company. It happens.

After about a year of this, it became apparent that perhaps a mobile platform wasn’t really as much of a priority for CCP as initially indicated. Meanwhile, the development costs for Capsuleer continued to grow, as new features were added, and early alpha testing for the anticipated 2.1 release began.

Still, nothing could be said about the hopeful relationship between CCP and Capsuleer.

More months passed, and finally the Capsuleer team sent a strongly worded email to every CCP contact they had, from Hilmar to Nathan to Thor to everyone in between, reiterating the initial meeting, and the steps that led to the email, which expressed a finite termination date, as neither Chris nor Marcus were able to invest the amount of effort it took to maintain and develop the Capsuleer platform for free.

Capsuleer was slated on the internal development schedule to be ported to other platforms, such as Android and Windows Mobile. A subscription based platform for full API functionality was proposed to CCP to monetize Capsuleer, while keeping limited API features free for all users. Many new and robust features not to do with the EVE Online API were also in development.

Through all of this, the Capsuleer Team kept in close contact with their primary advertising partner, EON Magazine. The EON Team offered much support, encouragement, understanding, and eventually expressed an interest in acquiring Capsuleer itself as intellectual property, providing a mechanism to monetize the application.

This was very exciting for Chris and Marcus.

The EON Team had scheduled vacations, but hoped to follow up with the Capsuleer Team after their return. Sadly, the follow up was that they were still looking at the best opportunities to fill their own goals. Completely understandable.

So at this point, there is no way for us to recoup any of the effort put into the Capsuleer property, nor provide a stable commercial foundation to further the development of more advanced features. As much as our work has been for a love of the community, sadly love doesn’t pay the bills.

At the end of the day, we had hoped CCP would come through, then hopefully EON. But you know what? Things don’t always go as we hope, and that’s ok too. Life goes on.

Is this a flame against CCP or EON? Absolutely not. The folks at CCP and EON have been nothing but appreciative and supportive from the beginning, and we wish them both the best of success in all their pursuits.

Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:05:00 - [2]
 

So what is ahead for Chris and Marcus? Well, through Capsuleer we’ve developed both a great personal and professional relationship, and are already working on other commercial projects for the iPhone as well as other mobile/web platforms. Unfortunately, Capsuleer isn’t one of them.

So what does this mean to you?

It means that once we close down the Capsuleer servers, as of October 17th, 2010, you will no longer receive push notifications, nor will you be able to use the Headlines features within Capsuleer.

The support forums will also be shut down on October 17th, 2010.

At that time, we will also be removing the application from the app store altogether, so you will no longer be able to download it.

It is regrettable that this is the end result of so much effort and passion, but nonetheless, here we are.

Perhaps the players will petition CCP to give us the business license we seek.

Perhaps one day CCP will contact us when they are ready to pursue their mobile application.

Perhaps. Nobody knows what the future holds.

But for now, we wish everyone the best, and offer our sincere gratitude and thanks for the adventure that has been Capsuleer.

Fly safe.

Chris and Marcus

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:11:00 - [3]
 

Sorry to hear this, but switching between "It's not CCPs fault" and "It's CCPs fault" is just silly. It's not going to make your chances of them helping you now any better than if you just flat out put the blame on them.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:12:00 - [4]
 

Sad way to turn outSad

erm..

Can I have your stuff?

Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:13:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Joe SMASH on 04/10/2010 17:14:15
Damn... that sucks. I always loved Capsuleer the most of any EveO iPhone app. iClone is WAY too slow for just looking up acct balances and skill queues. Anyone know of a good replacement for Caps?

Best of luck to you guys. Sucks that you and CCP could not play ball.

EDIT: Any chance of open sourcing it and letting someone else pick up development?

Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:13:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Sorry to hear this, but switching between "It's not CCPs fault" and "It's CCPs fault" is just silly. It's not going to make your chances of them helping you now any better than if you just flat out put the blame on them.


Nowhere are we blaming CCP. The reality is that EVE Online is CCP's intellectual property and the only way to monetize our product is through them. Without their assistance, it cannot, and did not happen.

As we stated, there is no flaming towards them, just simply stating what occurred from our point of view.

As players, we're not leaving EVE Online, so no, you can't have my stuff.

Mykael Skychild
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:17:00 - [7]
 

Sorry to see this happen to you guys. You built a great app and I only wish you could have capitalized on it. Hopefully CCP picks up the project again or perhaps you should begin charging for the app.

Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:19:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Mykael Skychild
Sorry to see this happen to you guys. You built a great app and I only wish you could have capitalized on it. Hopefully CCP picks up the project again or perhaps you should begin charging for the app.


Can't charge for the app as EVE is CCP's property. Without a business license from them, no way to make money.

Thanks for the well wishes.

Toman Torax
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:21:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Toman Torax on 04/10/2010 17:22:52
Sad news. Sorry to hear Sad

It's really kinda of ironic... CCP has a game which is an incredible vision of the future - and yet their view of their own future of the company and how to progress the game seems more and more archaic. I really just sit here scratching my head sometimes in utter disbelief.

Well anyway... thanks for an excellent program, and for trying your damnedest to make it work. Hope to see you guys in the future.

Krispy Dingo
Minmatar
The Night Crew
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:22:00 - [10]
 

Sorry to see you guys stop dev on Capsuleer, it is a truly wonderful app, but I can fully understand the reasoning behind it.

At least we still have iClone Neutral

Originally by: Joe SMASH
Edited by: Joe SMASH on 04/10/2010 17:14:15
Anyone know of a good replacement for Caps?


I am guessing that your best bet might be to use EVE Commander through Safari for quick checks only.

AFAIK Capsuleer and iClone are the only two EVE iPhone apps at present.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:23:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 04/10/2010 17:27:38
Originally by: Roc Wieler
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Sorry to hear this, but switching between "It's not CCPs fault" and "It's CCPs fault" is just silly. It's not going to make your chances of them helping you now any better than if you just flat out put the blame on them.


Nowhere are we blaming CCP.


The entire thing is you either praising CCP for being helpful, or saying how them not getting in touch with you is why it's closing.

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread by pointing that out. I don't use the service, but have heard many good things. It will surely be missed by many.

CopyCatz
Caldari
Brewery Research Ltd
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:27:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: CopyCatz on 04/10/2010 17:30:18
Damn it was the most used app on my iphone.. Will have to switch to iClone then although I don't really like it that much. IMO capsuleer is the best mobile eve app, to shut it down just because CCP doesn't offer anything sounds like a waste of a perfect app to me.

DonHel
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:28:00 - [13]
 

Sucks to hear you and ccp could not come to agreements in the end, fully understandable why you are closing it. Maybe sometime in the near future they will rethink and give you guys a call, I don't own a smartphone so havnt got to ever try Capsuleer but have heard it was the best. Good luck in your future developments, you guys are very committed I can see. And it will pay off big for you soon.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:28:00 - [14]
 

This sucks, and I hope CCP intervenes to keep this going. Capsuleer has been on my iphone since I got one and I will hate having it's functionality cease to be.

Have you thought of going advertiser supported to pay for your hosting at the very least?


Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:28:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CopyCatz
Damn it was the most used app on my iphone.. Will have to switch to iClone then although I don't really like it that much.


Same... I would love it if there was a "lite" version of iClone. Just let me see wallet balance and skills. I do not need to know everything else about the game.

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:33:00 - [16]
 

Is there any way you can open a donation drive or something? I'm sure many of us would gladly donate to see this wonderful project continued.

CopyCatz
Caldari
Brewery Research Ltd
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: CopyCatz
Damn it was the most used app on my iphone.. Will have to switch to iClone then although I don't really like it that much.


Same... I would love it if there was a "lite" version of iClone. Just let me see wallet balance and skills. I do not need to know everything else about the game.


Lite would be great yeah, I'm installing iClone via wireless atm, it looks like it's installing the eve client onthere as well, man thats a huge app.

Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:35:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
This sucks, and I hope CCP intervenes to keep this going. Capsuleer has been on my iphone since I got one and I will hate having it's functionality cease to be.

Have you thought of going advertiser supported to pay for your hosting at the very least?




We've offered advertising in Capsuleer since the beginning and had a big Paypal button on our site as well. Didn't seem to help enough. Laughing

And again, it's not that we don't enjoy the app, and we agree it was the best iPhone EVE app out there. The problem is simply how much development effort it takes to do things right. Our dev team was spending about 6 hours per day on Capsuleer, in addition to a fulltime job and other part-time contracts, and it was getting to be too much to ask anymore.

I'm not going to be replying to this thread anymore. Makes me sad in the pants.

DonHel
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:36:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: DonHel on 04/10/2010 17:39:22
*is wondering if Evegate is reasons behind ccp dropping plans with you. I havnt looked at what all plans are for EveGate, is there something similar to Capsuleer going to be put in it?

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: DonHel
*is wondering if Evegate is reasons behind ccp dropping plans with you. I havnt looked at what all plans are for EveGate, is there something similar to Capsuller going to be put in it?


Except that EVE Gate barely works with Safari and is not very mobile phone friendly.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:41:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: DonHel
Edited by: DonHel on 04/10/2010 17:39:22
*is wondering if Evegate is reasons behind ccp dropping plans with you. I havnt looked at what all plans are for EveGate, is there something similar to Capsuleer going to be put in it?


The plans for EVE Gate are pretty much being able to do anything you want outside of the EVE client that doesn't require moving items and/or being in space to accomplish. So, yeah, they probably decided against partnering with Capsuleer in favor of EVE Gate, I'm sure they just didn't bother informing the Capsuleer guys they are no longer interested.

NeoTheo
M'8'S
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:54:00 - [22]
 

Iclone was 400 million times better anyhow, all i read here was "we wanted to make money out of this, it didnt happen /quit"

I used it for like 2 weeks untill i found iclone.


Murixo
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:54:00 - [23]
 

Damn that sucks, Capsuleer was easily the most useful app on my phone! With the servers shut down, will I still be able to use it to track my skill queue?

ROXGenghis
Perkone
Posted - 2010.10.04 17:59:00 - [24]
 

This is pretty bad news, not just for players, but for CCP. For myself and most of my friends, Capsuleer is the one way we stay in touch with our alternate life in Eve while not sitting in front of a computer. Since most people don't sit in front of computers 16 hours a day, Capsuleer represented CCP's best chance to maintain Eve's presence in our minds 24/7. The EveGate website is not a viable alternative on a mobile platform and never will be unless they convert it into an app, which clearly won't happen for a long, long time, if ever.

TL/DR: The disappearance of Capsuleer greatly diminishes Eve's mindshare in CCP's player base.

Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:01:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: NeoTheo
Iclone was 400 million times better anyhow, all i read here was "we wanted to make money out of this, it didnt happen /quit"

I used it for like 2 weeks untill i found iclone.




iClone is terrible. Slow, buggy and way too bloated.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:11:00 - [26]
 

Have you tried working with the CSM?

That maybe is a better approach then direct contacts with CCP, not sure about this though.

But your work wasn't for nothing, you gained good experience!

Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:21:00 - [27]
 

Roc = Mynxee's plaything... can't get much more CSM help than that! Ok, really not answering anymore, but that one was too funny to pass up. Razz

Flistir
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:25:00 - [28]
 

Typical - I only recently found out and started using Capsuleer. Pity though, best of luck to the developers. o/

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:37:00 - [29]
 

Evegate? *ç%&@!!

ani mkII
anitech
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:51:00 - [30]
 

Easily my most used app, such a shame to see it being discontinued, was looking forward to the 2.1 but hey.

Thanks for all the work you put in.


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