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Mini T
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:33:00 - [ 1]
Sorry for, what here, probably passes for a total Noob question, but here goes.
I am currently trained and flying a heavy tank/Cruise missle based Scorp Navy Issue which I love for missions. I also have a Raven Navy Issue that is my short range Torp boat/drone ECM, which I ame still getting used to. Again, so far just for missions. Both work great in their own respects.
However, Eve offers much more than mission running in boats that can take a beating and I am trying to figure out where to go from here. It seems that everything I look at (Command Ships/Heavy Assalt Ships my preference) I cant leverage my training as much to get me into a ship that will leverage these (heavy missles based training)usefully until I spend huge amounts of time training other weapon types to Tech II level play.
I know everyone has their opinions, but thoughts on ships to focus on would be a big help. I am tending toward a Vulture to at least leverage my Missile training till I can do more. I am most happy at range either assisting others or Sniping . Range = Good for me.
Thoughts? |
Newbi McNublette |
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:41:00 - [ 2]
Cerberus. its a cadari HAC, use missiles and is a sniper.
:)
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Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company
Band of Wanderers |
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:41:00 - [ 3]
Are you saying you want something that can utilise your heavy missile skills whilst you train for something else?
Are you specifically intent on railguns?
If so: Vulture, Eagle and Rokh are your next steps. Then perhaps some Gallante flavours; Eos and Astarte Otherwise its cross-training to another race, probably Minmatar. I suspect what you really need a Strategic Cruiser, but I can't advise on that. |
Dr Fighter |
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:44:00 - [ 4]
T_T_T_T_TEENNNGGGGUUUUU!!
is what you are looking for.
'tis awesome. oh yes.
pve pvp plexes... hauling? TENGU TENGU TENGU |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:47:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 09/09/2010 15:48:43
You could try a HAM drake, or an ECM boat for small gangs. 1600mm Blackbird is popular. There is the Sniper Cerberus, Tengu and Seige Raven.
My Caldari List for PVP fun would be...
Griffen
Kestral
Crow
Hookbill
Manticore
Kitsune
Blackbird
Falcon
Cerberus
Navy Caracal
Tengu
Drake
Nighthawk
Scorpion
Seige Raven
If gun skills
Merlin
Harpy
Raptor
Moa
Eagle
Rokh
Vulture
Drones
Worm
Gila
Rattler
For more PVE
Ninja Ratting Manticore
Nighthawk
Tengu
Gila
Rattler
Hope this helps! |
Newbi McNublette |
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:49:00 - [ 6]
 Originally by: Dr Fighter
T_T_T_T_TEENNNGGGGUUUUU!!
is what you are looking for.
'tis awesome. oh yes.
pve pvp plexes... hauling? TENGU TENGU TENGU
yes, ive use my Tengu with Covert Sub for hauling  poor Tengu. |
Mini T
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2010.09.09 15:50:00 - [ 7]
Yea, I am hoping to leverage my current heavy missile skill base in a Tech II boat until I get trained up for a more well rounded PvP type boat.
Was heavily focused on the Tengu, but man - the cost to set one up right is massive. And I expect to lose a few until I get skills where they should be.
Thus, took a look at Nighthawk, Vulture, Vagabond and Deimos.
Maybe the Cerb, as I flew a Caracal for a while. Just not as versitile a platform that allows for both support and kill roles.
Seem that the Vulture has the best tradeoff of potential with 5 hardpoints or 5 turrents.
I guess what I am also asking, is can a missile boat be really effective in non Mission roles? |
Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:00:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Mini T
I guess what I am also asking, is can a missile boat be really effective in non Mission roles?
Yes. Although you don't want to take an expensive missile boat (read: Nighthawk) into PvP unless you are sitting on a ton of money. You will lose ships in PvP as I'm sure you know. Try starting off with Kestrel/Caracal/Drake PvP. Get your heavy missiles and shield skills up as high as you can. You will find that the missile ships perform well. If you're in a large fleet, aim for secondary targets. |
Newbi McNublette |
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:04:00 - [ 9]
The Tengu can excell in both PVP and PVE roles. it can be a logistics ship, i can be a command ship, it can do gank, it can do tank. Granted its not perfect at any role, but thats versatility for you. Is it any good? Watch some of the Alliance tournament videos and see for yourself Alliance Tournament 8 FinalsThe Cerb doesnt have the same ZOMGWTFBBQPWN apeal of the Tengu, but as a Missile Sniper and DPS support ship, it does a good job. |
Mini T
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:09:00 - [ 10]
Got the Drake, which is a great boat, and the Caracal (bit light for my taste), and plan on expending them learning PvP.
What I want to get some focus on is the right Tech II ship to focus on, both training and build that will not require me to completely change my training path. I am heavily trained on Missles and their ancillary skills and Shield training. So in my Raven and Scorp I do big DPS and have big Tank. Have the same in the Drake. Also have passable Hybrid and Projectile turrent skills.
Thus, I am trying to determine what Tech II ships I should "realisticly" focus on. Hence, my focus on Heavy Assalt Cruisers and Command Ships. Everything I seem to fit out below that level ends up with less than 100 DPS.
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Mini T
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2010.09.09 16:12:00 - [ 11]
Oh, dont get me wrong, the Tengu is a great ship. And I can train it up relatively quickly, but the build cost are astronimical. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions |
Posted - 2010.09.09 17:05:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 09/09/2010 17:05:52 Originally by: Mini T
Got the Drake, which is a great boat, and the Caracal (bit light for my taste), and plan on expending them learning PvP.
I'd try this then: train everything for a maxed NH except for mindlinks and the actual CS skill. Then fly an absolutely awesome Drake. That ship scales so well it isn't even funny. If not that, look at recons? Edit: And unless you really, really like sitting in a safe spot doing nothing, don't go anywhere near a Vulture. |
Mini T
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2010.09.09 17:18:00 - [ 13]
No, not big at doing nothing.
Thanks for the replies, good food for thought. |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2010.09.09 18:47:00 - [ 14]
cerb is excellent in a nano / sniper hac role. and good in a support role.
besides, flying battleships is boooring.
[Cerberus, tasty copy 1]
Reactor Control Unit II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Carry a few precision missiles for frigs. T1 missiles for shooting structures. Be sure to take a scan resolution script as well as a targeting range script. |
Mini T
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2010.09.09 19:10:00 - [ 15]
I like the Cerb build. That is getting me closer to what I was hoping for in a Tech II ship. Thanks. |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2010.09.09 21:38:00 - [ 16]
Yes as I say it's good to excellent but not at close range rights. That doesn't play to any of it's advantages.
The only thing I'd change (when I get new ones) is a T2 anti-em rig as you can find a lot of EM dmg at long range (laz0rs, aka zealots) and the thermal/kinetic resists are already quite high. |
Nicolai Copernicus |
Posted - 2010.09.09 23:13:00 - [ 17]
i wouldn't count the tengu out so quickly. While it responds extremely well to pimping, you don't need it to start out. Yes its an expensive ship, but so are those 2 faction battleships, it'll be swing able for you to buy one. Orbit a wreck to keep your speed up. You'll find it will run missions at a surprisingly fast rate, and as you do grab up some navy ballistic controls one by one to further increase your isk/hour. Once thats done you can finally grab a pithi b and swap to augmented cap res for 6th launcher.
[Tengu, New Setup 4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Booster II
10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2010.09.10 00:23:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Mini T
Eve offers much more than mission running...
Perhaps I'm misleading you. The cerb fit is for PVP. I had the impression you were looking to branch out of PVE a bit...so use accordingly. |
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