Posted - 2010.09.04 09:50:00 - [3]

 

Edited by: Ordais on 04/09/2010 09:50:29
Sometimes you guys are really dense.

Its all about freedom, EvE is one of only a few MMOs that let you do this kind of things AT ALL. Its not as if you would have to let you get griefed right? If you don't trust the internets, then dont give other ppl power over you.

This form of social interaction and freedom is 10x better then some childish failsafe, even if you get burned once or twice.

Posted - 2010.09.04 09:59:00 - [5]

 

http://www.hellokittyonline.com/eu/

Posted - 2010.09.04 10:03:00 - [7]

 

i have nothing against promoting shadier side of deals within game. however, CCP might have to reconsider their age rating of 12+. maybe it would be time we get dancers back, as well?

Posted - 2010.09.04 10:21:00 - [9]

 

Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o

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You are advertising theft, betrayal and a coward form of revenge as the awesomeness of Eve.

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Truth in advertising — you don't see that every day, so savour the moment.

Posted - 2010.09.04 11:24:00 - [11]

 

The OP has a point.

You need to be able to be bad in EVE. And EVE needs prople to be bad.

But Im not sure that "being bad" is actually something to promote.

Posted - 2010.09.04 11:32:00 - [13]

 

Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 04/09/2010 11:37:53

Originally by: Ghoest

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The OP has a point.

You need to be able to be bad in EVE. And EVE needs people to be bad.

But Im not sure that "being bad" is actually something to promote.

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Actually I think it's very ok that you have the option to be "bad" in a game without severe penalties that make the game unplayable.

What I miss a bit is the option to be "good". Pirates and "mass murderers" can get their standings back to 5.0 without problems so you never know who you're facing. But the game has no options to be truely good and righteous because there's no way to show that. In a way EVE promotes KOS because there's no way to distinguish between an "evil" and "good" player so you better don't take the risk.

There's a lot of people who want to be anti-pirate and defend "innocent travelers" but they get the same punishment and standings decrease as pirates. Same for NRDS alliances, the current game mechanics make it almost impossible to create an empire like that. The game mechanics are really focussed a bit too much on hostility (like highsec wardecs which really make no sense, logically) and distrust imo and don't support those who want to do things different.

Posted - 2010.09.04 11:37:00 - [15]

 

jesus does not approve of this ccp...

Posted - 2010.09.04 11:57:00 - [17]

 

Originally by: Jenny Cameron

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Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 04/09/2010 11:37:53

Originally by: Ghoest

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The OP has a point.

You need to be able to be bad in EVE. And EVE needs people to be bad.

But Im not sure that "being bad" is actually something to promote.

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Actually I think it's very ok that you have the option to be "bad" in a game without severe penalties that make the game unplayable.

What I miss a bit is the option to be "good". Pirates and "mass murderers" can get their standings back to 5.0 without problems so you never know who you're facing. But the game has no options to be truely good and righteous because there's no way to show that. In a way EVE promotes KOS because there's no way to distinguish between an "evil" and "good" player so you better don't take the risk.

There's a lot of people who want to be anti-pirate and defend "innocent travelers" but they get the same punishment and standings decrease as pirates. Same for NRDS alliances, the current game mechanics make it almost impossible to create an empire like that. The game mechanics are really focussed a bit too much on hostility (like highsec wardecs which really make no sense, logically) and distrust imo and don't support those who want to do things different.

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this is more of issue of philosophical nature of "good" and "evil". it's society that defines this. most of what we (in real-life) would define as "evil" is simply standard operation procedure in EVE. it's not that "EVE is wrong". it's our "lense" that is saying us "EVE is wrong".

that's what makes EVE a niche game. most people prefer to be told what is right or wrong. EVE just doesn't do that.

Posted - 2010.09.04 12:06:00 - [19]

 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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I hope the next trailer show a suicide gank of some mission runner.

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Or a high-sec mining operation getting ganked by a suicide squad before CONCORD can arrive to dispense justice.

Posted - 2010.09.04 12:14:00 - [21]

 

Edited by: Pix Severus on 04/09/2010 12:15:16

Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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I hope the next trailer show a suicide gank of some mission runner.

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(Nasal American accent)

Imagine this is you
You're flying a powerful battleship in the far reaches of space, defending an outpost from a raid of (NPC) pirates
Suddenly a ship enters the fray, and starts stealing your hard-earned loot
You get angry and decide to teach him a lesson
Unprepared for warp disruptors, small signatures, and CONCORD you get your ass handed to you by a noob who then proceeds to smack talk you in local
He then posts about his "epic victory" on the forums, received by calls of "cool story bro"

Imagine what you could become a part of..

Posted - 2010.09.04 12:39:00 - [23]

 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana

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I hope the next trailer show a (fail) suicide gank of some mission runner.

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*fixed*

Posted - 2010.09.04 13:06:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: William Walker

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I couldn't stop thinking about Hydra Reloaded watching the new video.

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And now it reminds me of the Titans For You IPO...

Posted - 2010.09.04 13:35:00 - [27]

 

Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o

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Hi CCP,
instead of making a trailer based on the EVE backstory, like the highly emotional Day of Darkness II, you decided to promote the evil. You are advertising theft, betrayal and a coward form of revenge as the awesomeness of Eve.
I know you guys don't believe in karma, but don't you think, this could turn on you one day the one or the other way ? For example, what will you do, if a victim of a vicious betrayal (who on top of that might have a unstable personality and fails to separate ingame and rl trust breaches) decides to befriend some devs, joins CCP, gains trust and rises in your ranks, gets access to the code or CCP's assets and then disappears with it ?

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Differ reality from a game...

Game - you kill the "monster", backstab your buddy and steal the treasure. After that you did the mentioned, buy a new char for 200b isk and spend the remaining 800b isk on playing the game and having fun with the new, nice characters.

Reality - you infiltrate a company, even IF you get one day somewhere higher, it's 25 YEARS later, not 1-2 years like in eve and you still are not a share owner so you can't do much. And if you'r proven that you are trying to do things bad for the company... You will DIE under the ammount of law suits against you, rot in prison untill your 75 and then maybe some TV channel will interview you for 5 minutes and ask how do you feel and why did you do it. And the last part is just a big 'maybe'.

To get access to assets of a company you need far more than just a high position. And to 'disappear' in todays world is... Hard... Besides... How will you disappear? And with what? Their offices? Their server rooms? Most companies don't keep cash on their account, but invest all the time.

Posted - 2010.09.04 13:47:00 - [29]

 

Originally by: Tippia

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…the problem with using a video like Day of Darkness II is that it doesn't really show the game.

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lol because all the other trailers were SOOO true...

They are down to stealing an alliance because that is about all that works now, I mean I did see some fleet fights (fake and gay no lag) but... pretty much all that works in eve is robbing people... no lag in that.