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Ethyn
Caldari
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated |
Posted - 2010.08.28 20:42:00 - [ 1]
Something is wrong with that picture. A frig, faction or not should not be faster than an interceptor.
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s with mwd (not overheated), but a dramiel fitted similarly with the same implants will do 11km/s with just mwd.
CCP needs to nerf this ship, not only is it ugly, but it's breaking a class of ship that at the very least should hold the speedster title.
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Beverly Sparks |
Posted - 2010.08.28 20:44:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: Ethyn
Something is wrong with that picture. A frig, faction or not should not be faster than an interceptor.
What about a faction interceptor. |
SlothLoveChunk |
Posted - 2010.08.28 20:48:00 - [ 3]
Originally by: Beverly Sparks
What about a faction interceptor.
By faction I'm not talking about their fitting, but the Dramiel is a faction frig, it's not a standard eve race ship. The setups for both ships, are using faction mods to include, gistii a-type mwd, faction overdrives, aux thruster IIs, and a complete snake set and all implants best for increasing speed and mwd use. |
Mykal Day |
Posted - 2010.08.28 20:56:00 - [ 4]
Its not just a speed issue. The Dramiel is the only frigate to use assuming you're not probing/bombing. Its better than all T1 frigs, intys, assault frigs, etc. Yeah its a faction frig so it should be better than T1 but it completely out does all of them, more dps, more agility, more speed. |
Footoo Rama
Gallente
Beyond Control. |
Posted - 2010.08.28 21:03:00 - [ 5]
Originally by: Mykal Day
Its not just a speed issue. The Dramiel is the only frigate to use assuming you're not probing/bombing. Its better than all T1 frigs, intys, assault frigs, etc. Yeah its a faction frig so it should be better than T1 but it completely out does all of them, more dps, more agility, more speed.
Higher price and less tank... |
Ethyn
Caldari
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated |
Posted - 2010.08.28 21:06:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Footoo Rama
Originally by: Mykal Day
Its not just a speed issue. The Dramiel is the only frigate to use assuming you're not probing/bombing. Its better than all T1 frigs, intys, assault frigs, etc. Yeah its a faction frig so it should be better than T1 but it completely out does all of them, more dps, more agility, more speed.
Higher price and less tank...
Wont argue on the price, but the tank... wrong. Most people fit them with shield extenders. They have quite a large buffer tank for a frig, coupled with their speed, they have all the tank they need. |
Mykal Day |
Posted - 2010.08.28 21:14:00 - [ 7]
The price is a product of them being completely over the top and they actually have very good tanks for a frigate. Even if they didn't have large tanks they out dps any other frigate by miles so its a non-issue. |
Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans |
Posted - 2010.08.28 21:28:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Ethyn
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s
That's what she said. |
Mykal Day |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:10:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Ethyn
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s
That's what she said.
Hey I know this guy ^^ |
Ilatius |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:18:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: Ilatius on 28/08/2010 22:18:18 Originally by: Mykal Day
The price is a product of them being completely over the top and they actually have very good tanks for a frigate. Even if they didn't have large tanks they out dps any other frigate by miles so its a non-issue.
Not to be a rainshower on your parade, but the daredevil out dps's it by a good... 100%. But granted the speed did surprise me as well, considering the dps, buffer and the layouts put it on top or both assault and interceptors classes. But then again, if you're willing to fork out that much money for a frig, have at it, it wont break a tank from anything larger then a dessy with a proper fitting. |
Mykal Day |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:25:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Ilatius
Edited by: Ilatius on 28/08/2010 22:18:18
Originally by: Mykal Day
The price is a product of them being completely over the top and they actually have very good tanks for a frigate. Even if they didn't have large tanks they out dps any other frigate by miles so its a non-issue.
Not to be a rainshower on your parade, but the daredevil out dps's it by a good... 100%. But granted the speed did surprise me as well, considering the dps, buffer and the layouts put it on top or both assault and interceptors classes.
But then again, if you're willing to fork out that much money for a frig, have at it, it wont break a tank from anything larger then a dessy with a proper fitting.
Unless I'm mistaken the Daredevil has no drones, no launchers, and 2 turrets (same as the dramiel). The 3 warrior II's and the potential the fit a launcher, though most don't, destroys the Daredevils dps. Unless I'm missing something? |
Ilatius |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:28:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Mykal Day
Originally by: Ilatius
Edited by: Ilatius on 28/08/2010 22:18:18
Originally by: Mykal Day
The price is a product of them being completely over the top and they actually have very good tanks for a frigate. Even if they didn't have large tanks they out dps any other frigate by miles so its a non-issue.
Not to be a rainshower on your parade, but the daredevil out dps's it by a good... 100%. But granted the speed did surprise me as well, considering the dps, buffer and the layouts put it on top or both assault and interceptors classes.
But then again, if you're willing to fork out that much money for a frig, have at it, it wont break a tank from anything larger then a dessy with a proper fitting.
Unless I'm mistaken the Daredevil has no drones, no launchers, and 2 turrets (same as the dramiel). The 3 warrior II's and the potential the fit a launcher, though most don't, destroys the Daredevils dps.
Unless I'm missing something?
You are missing the daredevils special bonus, which is 200% to hybrid turret damage. It puts it well above anything any other frig (and some cruisers) can put out. It also gets a 10% bonus to fall off and web veolcity. I would like to see a dram go 1 on 1 with it, it would be a good show. |
To mare
Amarr
Advanced Technology |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:38:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Ethyn
Something is wrong with that picture. A frig, faction or not should not be faster than an interceptor.
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s with mwd (not overheated), but a dramiel fitted similarly with the same implants will do 11km/s with just mwd.
CCP needs to nerf this ship, not only is it ugly, but it's breaking a class of ship that at the very least should hold the speedster title.
1st CCP said that pirate faction ships should be better than T2 and indeed the dramiel is 2nd a interceptor cost 10 mil a dramiel 70mil 3rd interceptor still have their niche having bonus to tackle 4th not everyone use snakes |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:50:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 28/08/2010 22:56:14
What exactly are you comparing? Can you post the fits?
It seems to me (I may be wrong) you're comparing an over-loaded Dramiel (it's the only way to get it to speeds above 11k) with an un-overloaded Malediction.
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RentableMuffin |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:54:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: To mare
1st CCP said that pirate faction ships should be better than T2 and indeed the dramiel is
yes ccp said they should be better but I don't think they meant that much better, but seeing as I don't own one or have ever fought one I should probably shut up now. and from what I've seen on killboards I'm pretty sure the daredevil usually kills the dramiel  |
Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.08.28 22:57:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Mykal Day
Originally by: Ilatius
Edited by: Ilatius on 28/08/2010 22:18:18
Originally by: Mykal Day
The price is a product of them being completely over the top and they actually have very good tanks for a frigate. Even if they didn't have large tanks they out dps any other frigate by miles so its a non-issue.
Not to be a rainshower on your parade, but the daredevil out dps's it by a good... 100%. But granted the speed did surprise me as well, considering the dps, buffer and the layouts put it on top or both assault and interceptors classes.
But then again, if you're willing to fork out that much money for a frig, have at it, it wont break a tank from anything larger then a dessy with a proper fitting.
Unless I'm mistaken the Daredevil has no drones, no launchers, and 2 turrets (same as the dramiel). The 3 warrior II's and the potential the fit a launcher, though most don't, destroys the Daredevils dps.
Unless I'm missing something?
Oh...wow...  |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2010.08.28 23:12:00 - [ 17]
Speed isn't really a problem. If the Dramiel was just a fast interceptor, it would be fine.
It's ok for a faction frigate to be better than a T2 frigate in some ways.
Problem is the Dramiel outclasses most interceptors in pretty much every way.
And most of the frigates.
And quite a few AFs as well. |
Omara Otawan |
Posted - 2010.08.29 01:31:00 - [ 18]
OP needs to learn about signature radius at some point.
Dramiel = combat frig, if you want a tackler use a tackle inty, they do the job better and are a lot cheaper. |
Alt Tabbed |
Posted - 2010.08.29 01:38:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Ethyn
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s with mwd (not overheated), but a dramiel fitted similarly with the same implants will do 11km/s with just mwd.
Speed isn't everything man...motion of the ocean...blah blah etc... it's ok man. |
Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.29 02:44:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Ethyn
Something is wrong with that picture. A frig, faction or not should not be faster than an interceptor.
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s with mwd (not overheated), but a dramiel fitted similarly with the same implants will do 11km/s with just mwd.
CCP needs to nerf this ship, not only is it ugly, but it's breaking a class of ship that at the very least should hold the speedster title.
Dramiel will do 8.7 km/sec with snakes and 12.5 overheated but has over twice the sig of an mwding inty. Hence why they are ran as dual prop ships. MWD to catch it AB to orbit it. With AB your looking at 3km/sec with a 32 mm sig rad. An inty can get about 2.5 km/sec running AB. Dramiel afiak hits harder as well. The only advantage an inty has, imo, is cost and lower sig with mwd. but at 8.7 km/sec you probably only need to cycle mwd once. |
Hyey |
Posted - 2010.08.29 02:47:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: To mare
Originally by: Ethyn
Something is wrong with that picture. A frig, faction or not should not be faster than an interceptor.
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s with mwd (not overheated), but a dramiel fitted similarly with the same implants will do 11km/s with just mwd.
CCP needs to nerf this ship, not only is it ugly, but it's breaking a class of ship that at the very least should hold the speedster title.
1st CCP said that pirate faction ships should be better than T2 and indeed the dramiel is
2nd a interceptor cost 10 mil a dramiel 70mil
3rd interceptor still have their niche having bonus to tackle
4th not everyone use snakes
Dramiel isnt just better.. It makes pretty much ever other frig besides the daredevil and maybe the jaguar/ishkur completely obsolete. Its ridiculously OP and makes frigate combat irritating because all anyone ever flies anymore is the freaking dramiel. So much for cost being prohibitive. |
OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta |
Posted - 2010.08.29 03:01:00 - [ 22]
Please post pics of this male flying about. |
Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
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Posted - 2010.08.29 03:02:00 - [ 23]
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 29/08/2010 03:04:07 Originally by: Mykal Day
The price is a product of them being completely over the top and they actually have very good tanks for a frigate. Even if they didn't have large tanks they out dps any other frigate by miles so its a non-issue.
How exactly does a 200 dps frigate outdps's slicer (200-250dps), comet (250-300+dps), hookbill (160dps@14km) ... i could go on, but with the dramiel, it's dps is not an issue. It's agility and speed are. Originally by: Mykal Day
Originally by: Ilatius
Edited by: Ilatius on 28/08/2010 22:18:18
Originally by: Mykal Day
The price is a product of them being completely over the top and they actually have very good tanks for a frigate. Even if they didn't have large tanks they out dps any other frigate by miles so its a non-issue.
Not to be a rainshower on your parade, but the daredevil out dps's it by a good... 100%. But granted the speed did surprise me as well, considering the dps, buffer and the layouts put it on top or both assault and interceptors classes.
But then again, if you're willing to fork out that much money for a frig, have at it, it wont break a tank from anything larger then a dessy with a proper fitting.
Unless I'm mistaken the Daredevil has no drones, no launchers, and 2 turrets (same as the dramiel). The 3 warrior II's and the potential the fit a launcher, though most don't, destroys the Daredevils dps.
Unless I'm missing something?
facepalm.jpg |
Cobalt Sixty
Caldari
Perkone
|
Posted - 2010.08.29 03:04:00 - [ 24]
BECAUSE OF DRAMIEL  |
1600 RT |
Posted - 2010.08.29 09:55:00 - [ 25]
dramiel nerf its not needed alot of ships mainly faction can kill the dramiel succubus cruor daredevil navy slicer are all very good at killing dramiels.
also any T1 cruiser with more than 4 mids can kill a dramiel pretty easily they are not invulnerable at all
said so a the only way to nerf the dramiel w/o making it useless is moving 1 mid to a low imho no other changes.
results it cant dual prop with a mse so its at risk when going in scram range, or you can dual prop with a armor tank and the ship will still be very fast but not that much fast. |
Bastaardicious
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.08.29 10:16:00 - [ 26]
Because it's a faction ship, faction ship is pwn. |
King Gore
Imperial Shipment |
Posted - 2010.08.29 11:29:00 - [ 27]
Remove the drone bay. |
big miker
Minmatar
Red Federation |
Posted - 2010.08.29 11:32:00 - [ 28]
killing dramiels is so easy when flying a daredevil |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions |
Posted - 2010.08.29 14:40:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Alt Tabbed
Originally by: Ethyn
I can get my male moving at just over 7km/s with mwd (not overheated), but a dramiel fitted similarly with the same implants will do 11km/s with just mwd.
Speed isn't everything man...motion of the ocean...blah blah etc... it's ok man.
Lots of people like the tender caress of a nice, slow Worm, amiright? |
Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics |
Posted - 2010.09.09 01:04:00 - [ 30]
ITT: M0rons
Fit a tracking disruptor. Problem solved.
Suddenly a 300mil frigate becomes worthless for as little as 50k isk.
Welcome to eve. |
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