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fkingfurious |
Posted - 2010.08.28 15:08:00 - [ 1]
The title sorta says it all but I'll elaborate.
There is a growing trend in 0.0 and low sec that is seeing the Drake dominate as the predominant Sub-BS fleet workhorse. Check 0.0 alliance killboards in particular and you will see fleets fielding dozens of Drakes. It's not unusual to see a fleet of Drakes squaring off against, you guessed it, another fleet of Drakes. People bang on about how OP Canes are since the projectile buff and all that gash but the reality it's Drakes that are taking over the universe.With good reason too.
100K EHP (without gang skills, u can hit 115k with a Vulture), 400 DPS at 70km, MWD and a left over midlsot for a point or whatever flavour of EWAR takes your fancy, or even another hardener if a BS level tank just isn't enough for you.
**** cross training Minmatar. If you can't fly a Drake with decent skills you are seriously doing it wrong. |
Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2010.08.28 15:13:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Scoundrelus on 28/08/2010 15:17:43
I got my ass handed to me by a guy named Laktos in a Drake yesterday. Was flying a Cane too but despite the fact that I have great Minmatar skills I can't seem to fly their ships worth ****. Amarr ftw. |
Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.28 15:40:00 - [ 3]
Drakes have always been popular in 0.0 as far as i know. They are cheap( fleet fitted for 50 mil or so) have buffer tanks that tank as well if not better than BSes( depends on how you set the BS up) and as you said can still dish out over 400 dps at 70km.
In all honesty a drake is probably the best t1 sub cap hull to field in 0.0. the abilities of the drake often get calls thats it overpowered. But caldari really dont have any other outstanding ships that shine. The falcon is decent but nothing like it use to be. the rook is better that what it use to be but its not outstanding either. scorps are very niche. Cerbs are decent sniperboats if you want to wait 10 minutes for your missiles to hit from 150 km.
The drake is probably overpowered but thats fine cause caldari got the short end of the stick when it came to good pvp ships. So the drake partly makes up for it. |
Torpir Lee
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge |
Posted - 2010.08.28 15:44:00 - [ 4]
Drake fleets have been a solid way to go for a while now. They have a disadvantage against BS fleets with their huge sig though, which isn't something to scoff at. |
fkingfurious |
Posted - 2010.08.28 15:48:00 - [ 5]
Should probably still nerf canes tho just to be sure  |
Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.28 17:35:00 - [ 6]
 Originally by: Torpir Lee
Drake fleets have been a solid way to go for a while now. They have a disadvantage against BS fleets with their huge sig though, which isn't something to scoff at.
Tanks like a BS, has a sig radius like a small sig BS, faster and better agility than a BS and 3 times cheaper than a BS. Only thing a BS really has on a drake, both fleet fitted, is DPS and range (on a snipe fit). Pretty good trade off imo. |
Asuze |
Posted - 2010.08.28 17:43:00 - [ 7]
The one and only workhorse Caldari got :/
If they nerf Drake I will say screw CCP and subscribe for Hello Kitty
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:23:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Asuze
The one and only workhorse Caldari got :/
If they nerf Drake I will say screw CCP and subscribe for Hello Kitty
They already did nerf it. It used to be insane with a crazy shield recharge, now it's fairly balanced. And you can shoot up to 75km with no fleet bonuses with Heavy Missile Launchers, provided you have trained the skills up. With fleet bonuses I can fire a heavy missile over 81 km. |
Asuze |
Posted - 2010.08.28 19:30:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Daergaar
Originally by: Asuze
The one and only workhorse Caldari got :/
If they nerf Drake I will say screw CCP and subscribe for Hello Kitty
They already did nerf it. It used to be insane with a crazy shield recharge, now it's fairly balanced.
And you can shoot up to 75km with no fleet bonuses with Heavy Missile Launchers, provided you have trained the skills up. With fleet bonuses I can fire a heavy missile over 81 km.
Yea, but the travel time of missiles is ewwh... |
Irae Ragwan |
Posted - 2010.08.28 19:31:00 - [ 10]
Can't say I disagree because I do see drakes all the damn time, no matter where I go...
but, I fly caldari and the drake is one of two caldari ships i've ever bothered to fly into pvp more than a few times (the other is the rook, which i love). And the drake is -the only- caldari ship I have ever flown in a "fleet" op.
So yeah, i'd love to see more diversity, but you can nerf the drake once rails, blasters, rockets, standard, and cruise missiles don't suck and shield transporters are viable over armor rr. |
Tara Starshine |
Posted - 2010.08.28 19:35:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Drakes have always been popular in 0.0 as far as i know. They are cheap( fleet fitted for 50 mil or so) have buffer tanks that tank as well if not better than BSes( depends on how you set the BS up) and as you said can still dish out over 400 dps at 70km.
In all honesty a drake is probably the best t1 sub cap hull to field in 0.0. the abilities of the drake often get calls thats it overpowered. But caldari really dont have any other outstanding ships that shine. The falcon is decent but nothing like it use to be. the rook is better that what it use to be but its not outstanding either. scorps are very niche. Cerbs are decent sniperboats if you want to wait 10 minutes for your missiles to hit from 150 km.
The drake is probably overpowered but thats fine cause caldari got the short end of the stick when it came to good pvp ships. So the drake partly makes up for it.
This game was called Caldari Online from 2003 to about 2008. You knew this right? |
Asuze |
Posted - 2010.08.28 19:36:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Can't say I disagree because I do see drakes all the damn time, no matter where I go...
but, I fly caldari and the drake is one of two caldari ships i've ever bothered to fly into pvp more than a few times (the other is the rook, which i love). And the drake is -the only- caldari ship I have ever flown in a "fleet" op.
So yeah, i'd love to see more diversity, but you can nerf the drake once rails, blasters, rockets, standard, and cruise missiles don't suck and shield transporters are viable over armor rr.
Pretty much... Or at least give Raven more EHP so it can at least start compete with other battleships |
Asuze |
Posted - 2010.08.28 19:38:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Tara Starshine
This game was called Caldari Online from 2003 to about 2008. You knew this right?[/quote
Nobody forbids fitting ridiculous shield tanked Myrmidons :)
Droneboat Drake \o/
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Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.28 19:50:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Asuze
Originally by: Daergaar
Originally by: Asuze
The one and only workhorse Caldari got :/
If they nerf Drake I will say screw CCP and subscribe for Hello Kitty
They already did nerf it. It used to be insane with a crazy shield recharge, now it's fairly balanced.
And you can shoot up to 75km with no fleet bonuses with Heavy Missile Launchers, provided you have trained the skills up. With fleet bonuses I can fire a heavy missile over 81 km.
Yea, but the travel time of missiles is ewwh...
In fleet fights you compensate by shooting the secondary targets. Otherwise you may get alot of misses because the target is popped before your missiles gets there. Its not a KM ***** but it does the job. In a ranged fleet i run a sebo for more range and 1 bay thruster for range/travel time. The bay thruster reduces travel time from 70 km by 2 seconds. Also engagement distance should be about 50 km not 70km. This gives you ~ 20km of play for switching targets which in a medium to long range fleet can vary by 20-40 KM. Short range its not really as big of an issue. |
andeira |
Posted - 2010.08.28 20:05:00 - [ 15]
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide. |
Posted - 2010.08.28 21:29:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 28/08/2010 21:29:52 Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
The drake is probably overpowered but thats fine cause caldari got the short end of the stick when it came to good pvp ships. So the drake partly makes up for it.
No. They'd better fix the fugly thing (by nerfing it into oblivion (!), thus compesating the years it was so OP), then the amount of Caldari whinage on whorums gets so high that they might actually take a look at: Nighthawk, Eagle, ECM in general etc. |
RentableMuffin |
Posted - 2010.08.29 01:20:00 - [ 17]
loads of noobs can fly drakes and they make pretty good noob ratting ships, plus they are pretty good all around pvp ships so guess what you see a lot of! |
Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.29 03:07:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 28/08/2010 21:29:52
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
The drake is probably overpowered but thats fine cause caldari got the short end of the stick when it came to good pvp ships. So the drake partly makes up for it.
No.
They'd better fix the fugly thing (by nerfing it into oblivion (!), thus compesating the years it was so OP), then the amount of Caldari whinage on whorums gets so high that they might actually take a look at: Nighthawk, Eagle, ECM in general etc.
I think drakes are one of the better looking caldari ships which tend to be fugly, though the new scorp is quite sexy( in fact i have a poster of it right above my bed). The drake remind me of 1/2 a soda can slightly crumpled.and when you put it on top of a cane it reminds me of an armadillo. they wont fix caldari ships. With the exception of the rook, they have done nothing but nerfbatted them like a thug trying to get protection money out of a shop owner. Every time caldari gets a decent ship people cry on the forums until ccps nerfs it. I expect a tengu nerf soon as it is a 1/2 decent t3 but of course it cannot be outdone by the Loki. Of course minnie has to have the best of everything. |
Hyey |
Posted - 2010.08.29 03:22:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 28/08/2010 21:29:52
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
The drake is probably overpowered but thats fine cause caldari got the short end of the stick when it came to good pvp ships. So the drake partly makes up for it.
No.
They'd better fix the fugly thing (by nerfing it into oblivion (!), thus compesating the years it was so OP), then the amount of Caldari whinage on whorums gets so high that they might actually take a look at: Nighthawk, Eagle, ECM in general etc.
I think drakes are one of the better looking caldari ships which tend to be fugly, though the new scorp is quite sexy( in fact i have a poster of it right above my bed). The drake remind me of 1/2 a soda can slightly crumpled.and when you put it on top of a cane it reminds me of an armadillo.
they wont fix caldari ships. With the exception of the rook, they have done nothing but nerfbatted them like a thug trying to get protection money out of a shop owner. Every time caldari gets a decent ship people cry on the forums until ccps nerfs it. I expect a tengu nerf soon as it is a 1/2 decent t3 but of course it cannot be outdone by the Loki. Of course minnie has to have the best of everything.
Are you serious? Tengu >>> Loki That aside the more people that fly drakes the more targets I have for my nanopest |
Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
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Posted - 2010.08.29 03:46:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Daergaar
Originally by: Asuze
The one and only workhorse Caldari got :/
If they nerf Drake I will say screw CCP and subscribe for Hello Kitty
They already did nerf it. It used to be insane with a crazy shield recharge, now it's fairly balanced.
And you can shoot up to 75km with no fleet bonuses with Heavy Missile Launchers, provided you have trained the skills up. With fleet bonuses I can fire a heavy missile over 81 km.
Tell me about these fleet bonuses that boost the range of your missiles, i want to know more. |
Irae Ragwan |
Posted - 2010.08.29 04:37:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Daergaar
And you can shoot up to 75km with no fleet bonuses with Heavy Missile Launchers, provided you have trained the skills up. With fleet bonuses I can fire a heavy missile over 81 km.
Heavies have an ~84KM range with perfect launcher skills. What the hell are you talking about? |
Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.29 06:02:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Muad' Dib
Tell me about these fleet bonuses that boost the range of your missiles, i want to know more.
My max targeting range without fleet bonuses is 75 km. I can't fire missiles further than I can target a ship! |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.08.29 06:51:00 - [ 23]
But everyone knows that its the Hurricane that's overpowered!!!!!!!!  Also, I've been telling people the Drake is WTFPWN for quite some time. -Liang |
Pearre Dash |
Posted - 2010.08.29 08:41:00 - [ 24]
I yearn for the "lol, HM drakes?????? Yeah I harvest them like weeds in MY MEGATHRON/MYRMIDON/EOS" threads of 2006-2007. |
Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium |
Posted - 2010.08.29 08:58:00 - [ 25]
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Duchess Starbuckington |
Posted - 2010.08.29 13:36:00 - [ 26]
Quote:
but you can nerf the drake once rails, blasters, rockets, standard, and cruise missiles don't suck and shield transporters are viable over armor rr.
This. The problems Caldari have are quite heavily exaggerated (usually by the same fools that thought that QR was a missile nerf) but nerfing the Drake would leave decent tech 1 options pretty limited. |
fkingfurious |
Posted - 2010.08.29 15:01:00 - [ 27]
Would just point out that missile flight time stops being an issue when 90% of all dps boats in a fleet are Drakes. Also gives you a truly fearsome alpha strike (anything up to 2.8k).
Put that in perspective,a Cane can get a 3.8K alpha with faction short range ammo and 3 Gyros.An optimal of maybe 20km depending on the number of TE's and obviously the truly stellar tracking associated with artillery. At 50km A Cane will probably struggle to manage a 2k alpha. AT 70km? Pffft, dont waste your ammo.
More to the point, dont waste your time with anything that ain't a Drake. Christ, alliances are even using Drake fleets for POS attacks and Capital take downs now. Anyone who happened to be near Hare last night will attest to that. From what I can see from the the killoards IT and Evoke had a bit of a barny and a Drake fleet squared up against about 60 carriers and god knows how many HAC's and won.
Long live our Drake overlords.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.08.29 15:14:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: fkingfurious
Long live our Drake overlords.
I for one welcome our new overloads. |
Captain Merkin
Minmatar
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer |
Posted - 2010.08.29 15:17:00 - [ 29]
Drake is fine really, its a very good ship but fills a gap needed for caldari.
They are also throwaway cheap, no one would dream of crying at the loss of a drake and they do a good job in gangs and packs, though do not shine overly.
Boring ships though if you ask me |
Duchess Starbuckington |
Posted - 2010.08.29 15:35:00 - [ 30]
Quote:
Boring ships though if you ask me
^ The biggest reason I don't fly them much anymore. |
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