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Topic |
Lorang Rexia |
Posted - 2010.08.27 13:52:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Lorang Rexia on 27/08/2010 15:41:12
Edited by: Lorang Rexia on 27/08/2010 13:52:40
(Post Remade)
Hi
I realised that i might been to vague what i was asking about - so i try rewrite it.
What im looking for - is a FIT - preferly BS class - which sole purpose are to function as a Healer/Repper ship during GM Events (currently the sansha invasions). - Thus its "only" enemy are sansha ships.
The required skills (Repping/PG/CPU/CAP) will by then - NOT be a problem. The ship can be any of the Amarr/Caldari or Gallante types.
It should have Shield, Armor and Hull repairing (all 3) - modules and drones can be used in any combination.
It must be cap stable.
It must be able to be tanked enough to move inbetween player ships, "Repping" while taking fire from the Sansha ships. (Wither its Active or Passive tanking, or its Shield or Armor - isnt importent)
It should be able to "work" as many ships as possible at same time (but doing it properly).
Hope this post are more clear.
- Lorang |
Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.08.27 13:58:00 - [ 2]
Bla bla bla.
No.
Fly a Logistics.
They will not introduce a healer ship for you. |
Torpir Lee
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge |
Posted - 2010.08.27 14:20:00 - [ 3]
For missions it's pretty simple. Grab as much of the appropriate(armor/shield/cap) transfer power your capacitor can keep up with.
As for PvP, this fit's pretty nice(geared towards low SP characters):
[Exequror, Gang Support low skills cheap ECCM]
Reactor Control Unit I
Reactor Control Unit I
Reactor Control Unit I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-RX Prototype I Capacitor Boost, Cap Booster 800
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Medium 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Vespa EC-600 x3
Hornet EC-300 x2
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Lorang Rexia |
Posted - 2010.08.27 15:10:00 - [ 4]
Its not for missions or PVP - its for the GM Events - The Sansha Attacks |
Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.27 15:39:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 27/08/2010 19:11:04
1) logistics- Eves version of a "healer"
2) If people are warping to station they are going to probably dock up click repair and go back out and fight. it instant refills both shields and cap completely for free . All they pay for is armor and hull.
3)reppers have crap range. You use logistics for better range/less cap usage.
Examples using a basilisk:
large meta 4 shield transporter:8400 m range ( over 70km with a basilisk)and 280 activation(53 on a basilisk) and reps 384
large meta 4 cap transfer: 9k range( over 75km with basilisk) and 338 activation(63 on a basilisk) and reps 324
Hence on a bonused ship using the buddy system 1 cap transfer will run 5 reppers which leaves mids/lows/rigs pretty much free for tank Plus it gets a bonus to rep bots. take a scorpion as a comparision. You are stuck in a much slower ship witha much shorter range and to run 5 meta 4 shield transporters you need to fill your rigs with CCCs, your mids with t2 cap rechargers, and power relay t2 in your low. leaving you 3 slots.
Also their is a question of how much use your going to be in a fight like that. As i said repping people at the dock( even if you pick the right dock as most high sec systems have many) is going to be mute unless they are just that cheap. they are going to dock click repair and head back out. Using an unbonused ship your going to need to use a tier 1 BS to really be effective. in a fight its going to be to slow to run around and rep people on the battlefield randomly plus your either going to have to go with fewer reppers( like one of each) and more tank which is going to further reduce its use. Or your going to have to go with more reppers and less tank.
You could also use the t1 version of the logi ship such as the osprey. You can get 50 km range on transporters. two run 2 large transporters you would need to fill rigs with cccs and lows with power relays. this leaves you with 4 mids( minus 1 for an ab/mwd) for tank.
If you want to "heal" people your best bet is to learn to fly logistics( both armor and shield) and join a pvp and/or null sec corp/alliance that utilizes logis in their gang. And you might want to look at carriers as a long term goal
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Lorang Rexia |
Posted - 2010.08.27 16:37:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Lorang Rexia on 27/08/2010 16:53:43
Fooling around in EFT i came up with this build - suggestions/improvements welcome.
(The cap is stable at 40% - with all reppers etc active. Its only if i use all modules at same time, im dropping to 1 min cap)
Range is the only problem that it has - and i figure i be sending out the shield drones to keep the victim alive until im close enuff to start armor/hull repping
Apocalypse Navy Issue Battleship
[Rigs]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
[High]
7 x Large Remote Armor Repair System II
1 x Large Remote Hull Repair System I
[Mid]
100MN MicroWarpDrive II
3 x Cap Recharger II
[Low]
6 x Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II
Armor EM Hardener II
[Drones]
2 x Heavy Shield Maintaince Bot II
2 x Medium Shield Maintaince Bot II
1 x Light Shield Maintaince Bot II
5 x Hornet EC-300
Some stats from EFT - using my own skills as they "will be"
Effective Hps: 67.338
Resistences
Shield: EM: 12,5 - Thermal: 30 - Kinetic: 47,5 - Explosive: 56,3
Armor: EM: 80,9 - Thermal: 44.8 - Kinetic: 36,3 - Explosive: 32
CPU: 641.4 / 696
PG: 6380 / 26906,25
Speed: 113 m/s - w MWD: 679 m/s
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Added:
Replacing the T2's with T1 M4 allows the build to run 5 Large Armor Reppers, and 2 Large Shield Transporters, instead of 7 armor repper's. |
fkingfurious |
Posted - 2010.08.27 16:43:00 - [ 7]
You do realise you run a significant risk of getting ganked doing something like this right?
Lots of people come to these events, lots of corps, some of whom will doubtless be at war with other corps there.
You rep the wrong person and all of a sudden you're a legal target and boom, one dead good samaritan.
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Lorang Rexia |
Posted - 2010.08.27 16:52:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Lorang Rexia on 27/08/2010 16:56:37
Good point :|
(added) - Actually even using T1 M4's the entire thing only costs 120 mio, which makes it a cheaper build then a "true" logistics. |
Shadowy Assistant
Darkrime Industries |
Posted - 2010.08.27 17:05:00 - [ 9]
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Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.27 17:41:00 - [ 10]
 Originally by: Lorang Rexia
Edited by: Lorang Rexia on 27/08/2010 16:56:37
Good point :|
(added) - Actually even using T1 M4's the entire thing only costs 120 mio, which makes it a cheaper build then a "true" logistics.
Apoc Navy= 480 mil plus Guardian = 100 mil- ish. your setup is pushing on the cost of a non fitted carrier. For the Apoc alone you could buy and fit 3 guardians. Use a bloody logi FFS. That is what they are for. |
Lorang Rexia |
Posted - 2010.08.27 17:55:00 - [ 11]
***s, my bad - didnt notice EFT didnt have the actualy price of the Navy Apoc, just the modules.. a reg apoc can do the same job thow, just runs out of cap after 1 min with everything running :| - and still more expensive then a Logi. (190 mio w it all)
Hm - Guardian or Basilisk - still gonna have a range problem for some of the modules. hmpf.. |
Daergaar
Caldari
|
Posted - 2010.08.27 17:57:00 - [ 12]
Furthermore, logistics ships get bonuses to range cap use, and fitting of repping modules.
If you want to rep, you really want to be flying one of these. My Basilisk, with only Logistics at level TWO, is cap stable with 6 medium shield transfer array II's on it, and a large shield booster for myself, permarunning. If I had Logistics at level 4 or 5, I'm sure I could fit a couple large shield transfer arrays and still be cap stable. |
Daergaar
Caldari
|
Posted - 2010.08.27 18:01:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Lorang Rexia
***s, my bad - didnt notice EFT didnt have the actualy price of the Navy Apoc, just the modules.. a reg apoc can do the same job thow, just runs out of cap after 1 min with everything running :| - and still more expensive then a Logi. (190 mio w it all)
Hm - Guardian or Basilisk - still gonna have a range problem for some of the modules. hmpf..
Don't bother with hull-repping modules. If someone's in hull, you can still save them by repping their shields or armor. Think of it this way, both the Guardian and Basilisk are good. Both get the same bonus to capacitor transfer modules. So, with a Basilisk, you rep shield tankers' shields and you give armor tankers cap so they can run their own armor repping modules. If you're in a Guardian, you rep armor tankers' armor, and you give shield tankers cap so they can rep their own shields more. |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.08.27 18:06:00 - [ 14]
Gimme a L
Gimme a O
Gimme a G
Gimme a I
Gimme a S
Gimme a T
Gimme a I
Gimme a C
Gimme a S
What's that spell?!
LOGISTICS!!!!
Goooo DEFENSE!!!
/crowd goes wild
-Liang |
Arrador |
Posted - 2010.08.27 18:34:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Gimme a L
Gimme a O
Gimme a G
Gimme a I
Gimme a S
Gimme a T
Gimme a I
Gimme a C
Gimme a S
What's that spell?!
LOGISTICS!!!!
Goooo DEFENSE!!!
/crowd goes wild
-Liang
Thanks for the disturbing mental image of you in a scantily clad outfit, jumping about and waving pom poms.... |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.08.27 18:41:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Arrador
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Gimme a L
Gimme a O
Gimme a G
Gimme a I
Gimme a S
Gimme a T
Gimme a I
Gimme a C
Gimme a S
What's that spell?!
LOGISTICS!!!!
Goooo DEFENSE!!!
/crowd goes wild
-Liang
Thanks for the disturbing mental image of you in a scantily clad outfit, jumping about and waving pom poms....
At the beginning of June, I was a 285 pound guy. Thought I'd complete the image for you. :) -Liang |
Footoo Rama
Gallente
Beyond Control. |
Posted - 2010.08.27 18:44:00 - [ 17]
Domi? Just an idea... Passive tanked takes 682 dps vs sansha 714 uniform about 900 uniform with 2x invuln II's. Not the fastest ship in the fleet... You can pull one hardener for a 100mn MWD and still tank over 466dps. Fit some hammer II's and warrioir II's for some offense.. Not the best logi ship out there, but fairly cheap. You can also pull this off with an Ishtar with a passive tank fit, or a normal PvP fit as they have similar drone bays. A vexxor can fit 2 flights of medium repair drones also... IDK just some ideas, not sure if I would do it though.
[Dominix, passive tanked logi]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
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Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.27 19:24:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 27/08/2010 19:24:36 Originally by: Lorang Rexia
***s, my bad - didnt notice EFT didnt have the actualy price of the Navy Apoc, just the modules.. a reg apoc can do the same job thow, just runs out of cap after 1 min with everything running :| - and still more expensive then a Logi. (190 mio w it all)
Hm - Guardian or Basilisk - still gonna have a range problem for some of the modules. hmpf..
EFT only quotes gear that is available on the market. Thus the only faction gear it will quote is ammo. faction mods and ships can only be bought through contracts so it does not give a price. Also EFT is a very rough guess. Market prices may very greatly. For instance, EFT told me a guardian cost 100 mil. But i was logged in the game at the time and the local market, which does NOT include Jita or Amarr had them at 96 mil. For a setup guardian your look at 130-175 mil depending on the mods you use/where you buy. Meta 4 RRs are quite expensive as armor repping and guardians are very heavily used. Basilisk are cheaper to setup but not as useful. |
dtyk
|
Posted - 2010.08.27 20:09:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Basilisk are cheaper to setup but not as useful.
He's thinking of pve... |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
|
Posted - 2010.08.27 21:18:00 - [ 20]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2010 21:18:12
Doesn't anybody want to rep the Sansha invaders? That sounds like more lulz to me. |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.08.27 22:17:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 27/08/2010 21:18:12
Doesn't anybody want to rep the Sansha invaders? That sounds like more lulz to me.
Yeah, but I assume I'd get Concorded for it. -Liang |
Thorian Baalnorn |
Posted - 2010.08.27 23:51:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: dtyk
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Basilisk are cheaper to setup but not as useful.
He's thinking of pve...
huh? |
Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
|
Posted - 2010.08.28 12:49:00 - [ 23]
Using the term "healer" indicates WoW player?
amirite? |
I likegirls
Minmatar |
Posted - 2010.08.28 20:13:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Using the term "healer" indicates WoW player?
amirite?
Here is a good healer fit: Self Destruct. |
Akisawa
Caldari
Path Of The Cursed |
Posted - 2010.08.28 20:18:00 - [ 25]
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Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.08.28 23:01:00 - [ 26]
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Obama Hater |
Posted - 2010.09.01 18:42:00 - [ 27]
Great job on the weight lose, did your bra size shrink too? |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.09.01 19:12:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Obama Hater
Great job on the weight lose, did your bra size shrink too?
Well, I personally prefer to let my moobs swing in the breeze so that I can show off my manliest manly moobs. -Liang |
Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2010.09.01 19:24:00 - [ 29]
Thanks for the disturbing mental image of you in a scantily clad outfit, jumping about and waving pom poms....
At the beginning of June, I was a 285 pound guy. Thought I'd complete the image for you. :) -Liang
Now you completely ruined it ((
I was hoping someone would respond to that so I can point out that I've lost 50 pounds since then. Put in 12 miles running and 1.5 hours of swimming this week.  -Liang
And How Much Did This Cut Into Your EVE Time? Hah and you expect a pat on the back from us....Get your prioritys str8 :)P |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2010.09.01 19:34:00 - [ 30]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/09/2010 22:47:05 Originally by: Kail Storm
And How Much Did This Cut Into Your EVE Time? Hah and you expect a pat on the back from us....Get your prioritys str8
:)P
Due to other responsibilities, I am unable to log into Eve before 9pm my time and I run for ~45 minutes at 5-7pm my time. -Liang |
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