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Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 04:08:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 04:38:18Master Kuvakei has put out the call, and many have answered that call. Likewise, he has promised to uplift many - and he has. In all of this Master Kuvakei has been true to his word. On the other hand, the same cannot be said of CONCORD or its representatives. Haeldone Dorgiers, a spokesman for CONCORD, asserted that Mouse Nell's photo was of the 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault station in the 3-CE1R system. However the 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault station in the 3-CE1R system is, by CONCORD's own database record, well known to be a Gallente Station, type 3, not the Jovian Station depicted in the image. In fact, CONCORD's database will also show that only two stations of that type exist. They are the M-FDTD I - Material Institute station in the M-FDTD system, where the Jove agent Jehachin Tsuan resides, and the HD3-JK I - Academy of Aggressive Behaviour station in the HD3-JK system where the Jove agent Akia Jech resides. Neither of those Jovian Stations are in the 3-CE1R system, and CONCORD is not claiming that Mouse Nell's picture was taken in either the M-FDTD system or the HD3-JK system. So why is CONCORD lying to you? What are they hiding? If you can't trust the very agency you appoint to uphold law and order, peace and security, clearly something is not right in the state of New Eden. Master Kuvakei is not your enemy; CONCORD is! More and more are realizing this, and you wonder why Sansha's Nation is able to uplift so many in so short a time. It is simple. People come willingly. |
Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:44:00 - [ 2]
You do not have mark one eyeball on these systems and it is highly likely that CONCORD does not either, and their database could very likely be out of date.
When was the last time a Jovian delegate appeared in Yulai? When was the last time a CONCORD delegation physically entered Jovian space? When was the last time the Jove transmitted updated information to CONCORD?
And if you have answers to these questions, who or what is your source? Can you verify mark one eyeball by you or the source?
Are you insinuating that the Jove lack the ability to decommission or construct starbases? Or that you know for a fact that there is current active communications and diplomatic relations between the Jovian Empire and CONCORD?
I look forward to the wealth of information that you, a lone capsuleer posess on this subject being publicly announced and verified.
-Boma Airaken, Baatsu-Ryuu
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Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 04:50:00 - [ 3]
 Originally by: Boma Airaken
You do not have mark one eyeball on these systems and it is highly likely that CONCORD does not either, and their database could very likely be out of date.
If CONCORD does not have an up-to-date database, that begs the question; How can CONCORD confirm anything then?Instead of them being liars, your proposal has CONCORD as inept. Only an inept organization would speak without authority, on partial or bad information. Liars or inept is still not much of a choice. |
Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2010.08.09 04:57:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: Boma Airaken on 09/08/2010 04:57:13
So you are confirming then that THEIR database is up to date and what is available via public NeoCom may not be? What a revelation.
And you forgot to address any of my other inquiries. |
Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 05:01:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 05:02:58 Originally by: Boma Airaken
Edited by: Boma Airaken on 09/08/2010 04:57:13
So you are confirming then that THEIR database is up to date and what is available via public NeoCom may not be? What a revelation.
And you forgot to address any of my other inquiries.
No - I didn't forget to address anything. The issue here is CONCORD. The source of my information is CONCORD's Database, and their public statements, both of which were quoted, and both of which are not in agreement. Focusing on me, rather than the argument is a fallacious way of removing focus from the issue. |
Sinning Dragon
Amarr |
Posted - 2010.08.09 05:03:00 - [ 6]
Maybe CONCORD is inept. Or maybe there is more going on then the eye sees. I do believe that CONCORD has been getting a little sloppy lately. Maybe they don't realize the situration they are in. There can be many guesses, but there is only one answer. Though i do not have the answer, i hope that you, Jove X can help with that. |
Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2010.08.09 06:19:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Boma Airaken on 09/08/2010 06:23:25 Originally by: Jove X
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 05:02:58
Originally by: Boma Airaken
Edited by: Boma Airaken on 09/08/2010 04:57:13
So you are confirming then that THEIR database is up to date and what is available via public NeoCom may not be? What a revelation.
And you forgot to address any of my other inquiries.
No - I didn't forget to address anything.
The issue here is CONCORD. The source of my information is CONCORD's Database, and their public statements, both of which were quoted, and both of which are not in agreement.
Focusing on me, rather than the argument is a fallacious way of removing focus from the issue.
You made the statement, and I did not in fact focus on you. I spoke of your sources as well. How do you know what CONCORD/DED/Inner Circle has? How do you know if they have up to date information on Jovian infrastructure? You have failed to address almost any of my inquiries regarding YOUR announcement. This CONCORD database you speak of. How do you know it contains the same information that the Inner Circle or other CONCORD entities are in posession of? I came accross the same information you did. A CONCORD operative confirmed the station and location. Does that mean it is going to flush with the PUBLIC database? Could it not be the result of the DED making mark one eyeball confirmation by somehow entering Jove space or communicating with the Jove? If anyone can do it, DED/Inner Circle can. Last time I checked tier one law enforcement agencies do not share the most current sensitive information with the public, regardless of the threat level. If you are misunderstanding my inquiries, please let me know and I can attempt to dumb it down for you. But so far, all you are doing is speculating and making assumptions without being in the know. Don't state as fact that which may or may not be. |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand. |
Posted - 2010.08.09 07:43:00 - [ 8]
having been among those who met with Jovians during the cloaking incident; the unveiling of the Concord alliance structure; one trans-racial Ammarian named TomB who was revealed as Jovian some time later and been part of the Capsuleer fleet which thwarted that insufferable Concord foray towards Stain...I have to say that the Jovians and their publicly acknowledged pet Concord Assembly is likely the greater threat. |
ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2010.08.09 09:24:00 - [ 9]
Why one or the other? Can't we eradicate them both? |
Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics |
Posted - 2010.08.09 09:31:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Jove X
Who is your enemy: CONCORD or Sansha Kuvakei?
Both. |
Shpenat |
Posted - 2010.08.09 09:38:00 - [ 11]
You have proved nothing. You may be right that CONCORD lied to us. Does it make them our enemies?
And Master Kuvakei was true to his word. Does it make him our friend?
The answer is no. Master Kuvakei is my enemy. I don't judge them by they words, but by their actions. |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand. |
Posted - 2010.08.09 11:52:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: ChipMo
Why one or the other? Can't we eradicate them both?
well said. topic closed. |
Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 12:41:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 12:41:55But, then again this is not the first time CONCORD has lied. Perhaps Citizens of New Eden have come to expect that of CONCORD. The suggestion has been made that Master Kuvakei, is as much as an enemy as CONCORD is. On what basis is that claim made? Has it been shown his actions has resulted in harm to the uplifted? Has it been shown that he has not been true to his word? It is it simply CONCORD lies and traditional prejudices that make him an enemy? Master Kuvakei perfected the same implants now embedded by capsuleers, an elite class. His vision was to make this technology available to all citizens of New Eden, not merely the 'immortal capsuleers'. Is this why he is a threat, an enemy; because he dares to take the 'gods' down from their pedestals? |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse |
Posted - 2010.08.09 13:32:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/08/2010 13:32:30 Originally by: Jove X
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 12:41:55
But, then again this is not the first time CONCORD has lied. Perhaps Citizens of New Eden have come to expect that of CONCORD.
The suggestion has been made that Master Kuvakei, is as much as an enemy as CONCORD is. On what basis is that claim made? Has it been shown his actions has resulted in harm to the uplifted? Has it been shown that he has not been true to his word? It is it simply CONCORD lies and traditional prejudices that make him an enemy?
Master Kuvakei perfected the same implants now embedded by capsuleers, an elite class. His vision was to make this technology available to all citizens of New Eden, not merely the 'immortal capsuleers'. Is this why he is a threat, an enemy; because he dares to take the 'gods' down from their pedestals?
Do you have the reflective tinting of your visor on the inside? The reason the capsuleers have risen against Kuvakei to protect the planet bound citizens of New Eden is because no one else has or seems to want to. "His vision was to make this technology available to all citizens of New Eden", by cramming it into thier skulls whether they wanted it or not. Forciblly, taking citizens from thier homeworlds and thrusting "good intentions" on them, however benevolent (yeah right)...is still called oppression, no matter how you try to candy coat it. |
Grideris
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Command
Fleet Coordination Coalition |
Posted - 2010.08.09 13:52:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/08/2010 13:32:30
Originally by: Jove X
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 12:41:55
But, then again this is not the first time CONCORD has lied. Perhaps Citizens of New Eden have come to expect that of CONCORD.
The suggestion has been made that Master Kuvakei, is as much as an enemy as CONCORD is. On what basis is that claim made? Has it been shown his actions has resulted in harm to the uplifted? Has it been shown that he has not been true to his word? It is it simply CONCORD lies and traditional prejudices that make him an enemy?
Master Kuvakei perfected the same implants now embedded by capsuleers, an elite class. His vision was to make this technology available to all citizens of New Eden, not merely the 'immortal capsuleers'. Is this why he is a threat, an enemy; because he dares to take the 'gods' down from their pedestals?
Do you have the reflective tinting of your visor on the inside? The reason the capsuleers have risen against Kuvakei to protect the planet bound citizens of New Eden is because no one else has or seems to want to.
"His vision was to make this technology available to all citizens of New Eden", by cramming it into thier skulls whether they wanted it or not.
Forciblly, taking citizens from thier homeworlds and thrusting "good intentions" on them, however benevolent (yeah right)...is still called oppression, no matter how you try to candy coat it.
Don't think I could have put it better myself. |
Brandrsun
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.08.09 14:02:00 - [ 16]
Master Kuvakei is a Megalomanic.
Megalomania is a word defined as:
1.A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.
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Jandice Ymladris
Caldari
dark influence
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Posted - 2010.08.09 15:57:00 - [ 17]
The issue is, that the uplifting is forced, not given as a choice.
Old records show this, before Nation attracted a large following amongst the Capsuleers and they began working their PR and use prettier and cleaner words.
An extract from Umokka, where an entire colony has been harvested (these are the words of nation itself) but due to capsuleer response it remained at that planet and the other was saved:
[ 2010.05.13 20:47:51 ] Slave 32152 > Planet eight harvest fleet decimated. Requesting harvest ship.
To show it is not a lone incident, this is at the assualt on Ation:
[ 2010.05.15 20:51:33 ] Slave Tama01 > Squadrons 1 through 10 have returned. Prepare for second harvest.
Only when the attacks become widely known Nation began polishing their language, no longer referring to harvest, and keeping it to more *enlighted* terms.... Is Kuvakei lying? Not directly... But as far as I know, Concord never took millions of innocents against their will, Nation does (harvest implies they take them against their will)
To the picture of the Stations, did you personally verify with the Jove they indeed never changed/altered/upgraded that station? There's plenty of examples here of stations that got altered or changed over the years,n so why not at the Jove. |
Marie D'Artois
Gallente
D'Artois Legal Services
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:33:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Jandice Ymladris
(harvest implies they take them against their will)
Harvest implies planting, in which the seed is passively acted upon and not able to choose its course. Exactly what has the Sansha planted? |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse |
Posted - 2010.08.09 16:36:00 - [ 19]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 09/08/2010 16:37:28 Originally by: Marie D'Artois
Originally by: Jandice Ymladris
(harvest implies they take them against their will)
Harvest implies planting, in which the seed is passively acted upon and not able to choose its course. Exactly what has the Sansha planted?
Correction, "to harvest" means to take from the soil...to plant is to "sew", but your right in that Sansha has "sewn" nothing. |
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
Apocalypse Now. |
Posted - 2010.08.09 16:37:00 - [ 20]
Pilot:
Your statement regarding the authenticity of the visual capture of the 3-CE1R Prosper Vault is flawed, as we have not had active capsuleers in that system since Jovian space was cut off from the remainder of the cluster. It is quite plausible that the visual data obtained by Mouse Nell is in fact the most up-to-date image of that very station, suggesting that it was either refitted or replaced since capsuleers last visited that system.
The discrepancy in the CONCORD data can potentially be explained by out-of-date data being broadcast via the station's identifier beacon. Perhaps the crews that refitted or replaced the station simply reused the old beacon without updating the identification data to reflect the work.
Now, I do agree that CONCORD likely knows more than they're letting on, but Haeldone Dorgiers has been much more forthcoming with information than his predecessor, Sutola Endoma.
Attempt to refute these ideas at your own discretion, but these seem to be the most plausible explanations. |
Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 16:49:00 - [ 21]
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 17:01:55 Originally by: Syn Callibri
Forciblly, taking citizens from thier homeworlds and thrusting "good intentions" on them, however benevolent (yeah right)...is still called oppression, no matter how you try to candy coat it.
Have you seen how many have been uplifted - in so short a time? People went willingly, or where is your proof they went against their will? Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
Your statement regarding the authenticity of the visual capture of the 3-CE1R Prosper Vault is flawed, as we have not had active capsuleers in that system since Jovian space was cut off from the remainder of the cluster. It is quite plausible that the visual data obtained by Mouse Nell is in fact the most up-to-date image of that very station, suggesting that it was either refitted or replaced since capsuleers last visited that system
And yet CONCORD did verify that that station was 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault in the Jovian system 3-CE1R. So CONCORD has intimate knowledge of which stations are in 3-CE1R, intimate knowledge of Jovian space that capsuleers do not, information not published in their public data? So if it true the database CONCORD shares with the public is out of date, CONCORD must be hiding its current one not publicly available? How exactly is your argument a counter argument to the claim CONCORD is lying? If they present an out of date database to the constituents they serve and keep a separate one for themselves, a more reliable one, than the extent of their knowledge about these goings on is more than they let on. Remember CONCORD has said all of this is nothing to worry about. CONCORD did verify that Mouse Nell's picture originated in Jove space, and if CONCORD does have a secret up-to-date database with accurate information on Jove systems your argument is really only verifying the assertion that CONCORD lies (its not really a counter argument) |
Marie D'Artois
Gallente
D'Artois Legal Services
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:54:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Jove X
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Forciblly, taking citizens from thier homeworlds and thrusting "good intentions" on them, however benevolent (yeah right)...is still called oppression, no matter how you try to candy coat it.
Have you seen how many have been uplifted - in so short a time? People went willingly, or where is your proof they went against their will?
This exactly is why I ask what, or whom, has been planted on these worlds. |
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
Apocalypse Now. |
Posted - 2010.08.09 16:59:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Jove X
Yo****aka Moromuo - so if it true the database CONCORD shares with the public is out of date, CONCORD must have a more current one not publicly available? If so why do they present an out of date database to the constituents they serve and keep a separate one, a more reliable one, to themselves.
CONCORD did verify that Mouse Nell's picture originated in Jove space, so if CONCORD does have a secret up-to-date database with accurate information on Jove systems your argument is really only verifying the assertion that CONCORD lies (its not really a counter argument)
You see ulterior motives where there likely are none; my argument was an attempt to get you to realize that. Perhaps their database relies on identifier beacons being updated in order to show an update in the database; if that is the case, then I suspect it will be quite some time before we see an update, given our lack of regular contact with the Directorate. |
Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 17:41:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 17:49:02 Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
You see ulterior motives where there likely are none; my argument was an attempt to get you to realize that. Perhaps their database relies on identifier beacons being updated in order to show an update in the database; if that is the case, then I suspect it will be quite some time before we see an update, given our lack of regular contact with the Directorate.
Not so. I've only asserted that CONCORD is lying given publicly available data and their statements. I've so far given two examples of this which have not been dis-proven. CONCORDs public statement verifying Mouse Nell's photo took place in 3-CE1R is fraught with problems. If CONCORD is correct that that station (Jovian Construct) in the image is indeed 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault then CONCORD is falsely providing information to the public that indicates 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault is a Gallente station (type 3). Not only, but they are hiding the fact they have more intimate details about Jove space that they are not sharing. If CONCORD is incorrect that the station (Jovian Construct) in the image is 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault than they are using their authority as CONCORD to falsely verify an image (who knows for what purpose). That wold be saying this image is something it is not. If CONCORD is simply mistaken - why did they verify Mouse Nell's image? And again, why did they claim the 'SANSHA's threat is NOT a threat? In all of this, I've made no assumptions, or sought for a conspiracy. Nor have I ggested that any one possibility is more probable than any other. In each of the possible scenarios it is true that CONCORD is being false. I've simply pointed out the contradictions in CONCORD's public statements. I have additional lies I could bring to bear on the argument, to help make the case, but why? I've cited at least two examples of their lies, and no one has yet shown CONCORD to be trustworthy.None of your arguments have shown CONCORD to be credible. You've simply asserted the status of Jove space is unknown. Ok, CONCORD should not have verified the photo then. |
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
Apocalypse Now. |
Posted - 2010.08.09 17:49:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Jove X
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 17:41:24
Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
You see ulterior motives where there likely are none; my argument was an attempt to get you to realize that. Perhaps their database relies on identifier beacons being updated in order to show an update in the database; if that is the case, then I suspect it will be quite some time before we see an update, given our lack of regular contact with the Directorate.
Not so.
I've only contended that CONCORD is lying given publicaly available data and their statements. You haven't really shown that not to be true. CONCORDs public statement verifying Mouse Nell's photo took place in 3-CE1R is fraught with problems.
If CONCORD is correct that that station (Jovian Construct) in the image is indeed 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault then CONCORD is falsely providing information to the public that indicates 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault is a Gallente station (type 3). Not only, but they are hiding the fact they have more intimate details about Jove space that they are not sharing.
If CONCORD is incorrect that the station (Jovian Construct) in the image is 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault than they are using their authority as CONCORD to very an image falsely. They are saying this image is someplace it is not.
If CONCORD is simply mistaken - why did they verify Mouse Nell's image? And again, why did they claim the 'SANSHA's threat is NOT a threat?
In all of this, I've made no assumptions, or sought for a conspiracy. I've simply pointed out the contradictions in CONCORD's public statements. I have addition lies I could point to - to make the case.
None of your arguments have shown CONCORD to be credible. You've simply asserted the status of Jove space is unknown. Ok, CONCORD should not have verified the photo then.
If it is indeed the Prosper Vault station in the photo in question, can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that CONCORD is lying? If not, you'd best stop making your case now. If it isn't the Prosper Vault station, it is still possible that they acted on what information they had at the time, thus placing it in the category of an incorrect determination. Incorrect determinations are not quite lies, in that the party that makes the incorrect determination does not always know that the opposite of what they claim is the truth. It was not my intent to show that CONCORD is completely credible; I'm merely asking the questions and making the points that others like myself would ask if I had not. Now, you reference other lies that you can use to make your case - why hold back evidence when it could prove your case? Are you afraid that it can be refuted? Is it even directly relevant? Lay them out for all to see, and let the public judge them. If you don't, you'll probably be regarded as just another conspiracy theorist. |
Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 18:05:00 - [ 26]
Edited by: Jove X on 09/08/2010 18:12:38 Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
If it is indeed the Prosper Vault station in the photo in question, can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that CONCORD is lying? If not, you'd best stop making your case now.
You can as well as I can (if you can't contact me and Ill talk you through it). In your overview bring up the information on 3-CE1R VIII - Moon 5 - Prosper Vault. It is a Gallente station - NOT THE ONE IN THE PICTURE. Now bring up the info for either HD3-JK I - Academy of Aggressive Behaviour or M-FDTD I - Material Institute. Both are exactly like the one in the picture. If you know of other Jovian stations, you have information not available to me. So which Prosper Vault is the one in the image? It's not the one CONCORD's Database lists; that one is Gallentean. If the one in CONCORD's Database has been replaced, and is indeed the one in the image - since when has CONCORD been able to obtain new information about Jove space? Why are they not sharing that with the public? Either way the one in the picture doesn't match the one in CONCORD's database. Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
If it isn't the Prosper Vault station, it is still possible that they acted on what information they had at the time, thus placing it in the category of an incorrect determination. Incorrect determinations are not quite lies, in that the party that makes the incorrect determination does not always know that the opposite of what they claim is the truth.
No, read CONCORDs statement again. They verified it correct and the system. That isn't acting on partial information. It's making a positive assertion. Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
It was not my intent to show that CONCORD is completely credible; I'm merely asking the questions and making the points that others like myself would ask if I had not.
People don't know who their true enemy is. CONCORD is trusted blindly. Master Kuvakei is hated blindly. Sometimes it is worthwhile to ask the question Are those you trust worthy of that trust; and those you hate worthy of that hate? So far CONCORD has been shown to be false, and Master Kuvakei true to his word. No one has proved that Master Kuvakei's uplifting goes against anyone wishes or results in harm. The uplifted have come without coercion. Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
Now, you reference other lies that you can use to make your case - why hold back evidence when it could prove your case? Are you afraid that it can be refuted? Is it even directly relevant? Lay them out for all to see, and let the public judge them. If you don't, you'll probably be regarded as just another conspiracy theorist.
I generally disregard conspiracy theories. I value objectivity. Everyone already knows that CONCORD withheld information pertinent to the public interest, for more than a year, and denied its existence, that is until those files were leaked. That set of lies (now a third example) just further adds to the assertion that CONCORD cannot be trusted. |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse |
Posted - 2010.08.09 18:29:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Jove X
Have you seen how many have been uplifted - in so short a time? People went willingly, or where is your proof they went against their will?
I'll ask you the same question. My proof lies in the after-math of one of your "uplifting" incursions... Ha, its amusing that you don't call it "liberated" anymore...my proof lies in the terrified survivors of your "upliftings". I'd advise you that leaving survivors behind does nothing for the credibility of your spin-doctoring. |
Stitcher
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.08.09 18:53:00 - [ 28]
Edited by: Stitcher on 09/08/2010 19:16:41 Originally by: Jove X
Who is your enemy: CONCORD or Master Kuvakei?
Definitely Kuvakei. That was nice and easy. Let's try another one. Originally by: Jove X
Have you seen how many have been uplifted - in so short a time? People went willingly, or where is your proof they went against their will?
oh none, I'm sure they did go willingly. But of course the fact that apparent free will can be controlled and that Sansha's Nation are among the most adept entities in all creation at the fine science of convincing people to do things "of their own free will" has no bearing on the situation, does it?  I don't believe that free will is an illusion, but I do also know on a professional basis that a person's decision-making process is in no small part shaped by a balance of chemical and structural factors in the brain. with the right tools, a person's free will can be encouraged to follow predetermined patterns in response to specific stimuli. Drugs and machines are the easy route, but of course humans were brainwashing and indoctrinating one another for centuries prior to the invention of such technologies. such techniques are not foolproof of course, but by stacking two or three methods on top of each other, your failure rate would be dramatically reduced to the point where out of a random sampling of a few hundred thousand people, only a handful would be unaffected... exactly as we see with abduction survivors. so yes, I'm sure these people ARE filing into dropships of the free will that Sansha gave them. I doubt that they would be so eager without an interval of careful groundwork and preparation by Nation agents prior to the invasions, however. |
Jove X
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators |
Posted - 2010.08.09 19:06:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Jove X
Who is your enemy: CONCORD or Master Kuvakei?
Definitely Kuvakei.
That was nice and easy. Care to ask me something more difficult?
Sure. Why? |
Stitcher
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.08.09 19:19:00 - [ 30]
Edited by: Stitcher on 09/08/2010 19:19:20 Originally by: Jove X
Sure. Why?
Also easy - because I believe that Kuvakei's philosopy is anathema to the continued growth, prosperity and survival of the human race. I've heard a lot of versions of that philosophy by the way, and even the most positive-spun, sympathetically worded, idealistic account of what Kuvakei's philosophy is still sounded to me like a death-sentence for the human spirit and our future as a species. |
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