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CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.07.16 13:43:00 - [ 1]
So, lets say I'm able to engage someone who I know has 0% EM Shield Resist, 50% EM Armor Resist, and Shield Tanks his ship, while he is doing a Cosmic Anomaly. Let's also say I know the drones he will be using will be doing Thermal damage, and if he is using missiles those will be either thermal or kinetic.
The Purifier with EM Caldari Navy Torps is the obvious choice, and I'm wondering if with this scenario it is possible to gank people once they have aggro from all the rats? Also, should I use a bomb launcher or no?
Can an afterburner make me quick enough to avoid some of the damage the enemies drones will be doing? What about a MWD?
Can a well timed bomb destroy those drones? Seems unlikely but I was curious. The bombs say they do 6400 EM damage or something, so I'm thinking YES I should use a bomb when I gank but I'm asking here first.
If I know the drones will be doing thermal, is adding some thermal tank worth it or is it a hopeless idea and I just need to kill them before they lock me?
Any advice/setups for this would be great. Remember my enemies will be weak to EM and there drones will be thermal and missiles either kinetic or thermal. There guns should never hit me so its irrelevant. |
pa'ak ma |
Posted - 2010.07.16 14:09:00 - [ 2]
it is indeed possible, and has been done. Though main damage should probably be from your torps rather than bombs. Saw a golem get punked like that by a solo purifier not long ago. |
CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:23:00 - [ 3]
 Originally by: pa'ak ma
it is indeed possible, and has been done. Though main damage should probably be from your torps rather than bombs. Saw a golem get punked like that by a solo purifier not long ago.
Awesome. I know its much easier to kinda hunt frigs/indies and try and 1 volley them then quickly re-cloak, but I'm interested in trying out the somewhat harder kills =) Got any good Purifier setups? Is it worth trying to swap ammo once shields are down? Like for instance I engage a Drake and hit him hard with EM until his shields are down. Should I then swap to Explosive Torps since the natural explosive armor is only 10% on a Drake (and they would never increase it since they shield tank) or is it easier/better to just stick solely to your Stealth Bombers natural torp type (EM for Purifier)? What are some good tactics to tanking and surviving the drones and weapons of the battlecruiser/battleships? |
Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations |
Posted - 2010.07.16 14:33:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 16/07/2010 14:34:49
Sig radius factors a lot into bomb damage. So larger ships will take more than smaller.
That being said, I was thinking about this same topic the other day.
However, I came to the realization that once the shields are gone, you should focus on armor holes.
That being said, I was thinking more of using EM bombs and faction ammo on a Hound (minnie SB). The base 6400 EM damage is likely to toast any ship's shields. At which point, the majority of armor is weak to Exp.
As for your self defense... Fitting an AB will help negate a lot of incoming damage. Realize your bomb does not track in any way. You have to be facing your target, and exactly 30km away. Then expect a 9sec delay between firing and detonation. But during that time, you can set your orbit and begin firing. Bombs take about 2-3min to fire again, so they're basically a one-shot per fight tool.
If their drones come after you... run. You're not going to have room for a tank, if you want to maximize dps.
EDIT: Bombers give a 5% bonus to flavored bomb damage, but a 15% bonus to flavored torps. So if you plan on using off-flavor for one or the other, I'd go with the bomb. |
King Gore
Imperial Shipment |
Posted - 2010.07.16 14:45:00 - [ 5]
I've been wondering the same thing lately too.  I too will be rocking a purifier, but I was curious as to how well a sensor damp tank will work? Will drones auto aggro out past targeting range? Also, how well would 3 sensor damps work in a 2 man SB gang? |
Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.16 14:52:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Gecko O''Bac on 16/07/2010 14:52:11 Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 16/07/2010 14:34:49
Sig radius factors a lot into bomb damage. So larger ships will take more than smaller.
That being said, I was thinking about this same topic the other day.
However, I came to the realization that once the shields are gone, you should focus on armor holes.
That being said, I was thinking more of using EM bombs and faction ammo on a Hound (minnie SB). The base 6400 EM damage is likely to toast any ship's shields. At which point, the majority of armor is weak to Exp.
As for your self defense... Fitting an AB will help negate a lot of incoming damage. Realize your bomb does not track in any way. You have to be facing your target, and exactly 30km away. Then expect a 9sec delay between firing and detonation. But during that time, you can set your orbit and begin firing. Bombs take about 2-3min to fire again, so they're basically a one-shot per fight tool.
If their drones come after you... run. You're not going to have room for a tank, if you want to maximize dps.
EDIT: Bombers give a 5% bonus to flavored bomb damage, but a 15% bonus to flavored torps. So if you plan on using off-flavor for one or the other, I'd go with the bomb.
Yeah Marcus is right. Bomb + torps should never be the same damage type while soloing, especially if you know what the resist spread of your target will be (IE: you know how he's tanking and WHAT he's tanking.) |
Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations |
Posted - 2010.07.16 14:56:00 - [ 7]
Multiple Sensor Damps, especially between a couple ships, can work great. Once you get a couple on the target, they can't see past the end of their nose.
Their drones, on the other hand, can aggro onto you regardless. So long as they were out and about before you aggressed the target, they will operate on their own for as far as the drone control range of the owner.
Now, if you manage to start the fight -before- they release their drones, they will sit with thumb inserted until the owner can lock a target and give the Engage command. And when a Sensor Damped 200km range becomes 2km...
The best part of sharing the Sensor Damps between ships, leaves room on both for more goodies. |
MoeJoe Green
Gallente
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists |
Posted - 2010.07.16 14:58:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: King Gore
I've been wondering the same thing lately too.
Will drones auto aggro out past targeting range?
Yes, doesn't matter if you have it locked. If something has agressed you or them, they will attack it. |
Xiaodown
Guiding Hand Social Club |
Posted - 2010.07.16 15:30:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE
Originally by: pa'ak ma
it is indeed possible, and has been done. Though main damage should probably be from your torps rather than bombs. Saw a golem get punked like that by a solo purifier not long ago.
Awesome. I know its much easier to kinda hunt frigs/indies and try and 1 volley them then quickly re-cloak, but I'm interested in trying out the somewhat harder kills =) Got any good Purifier setups? Is it worth trying to swap ammo once shields are down? Like for instance I engage a Drake and hit him hard with EM until his shields are down. Should I then swap to Explosive Torps since the natural explosive armor is only 10% on a Drake (and they would never increase it since they shield tank) or is it easier/better to just stick solely to your Stealth Bombers natural torp type (EM for Purifier)?
What are some good tactics to tanking and surviving the drones and weapons of the battlecruiser/battleships?
I wouldn't switch to explosive for a drake, but it makes sense for some ships to either load 2 em and 1 explosive in your launchers or w/e. People used to do that back in the day (see Wave of Mutilation 2, Awar-reality, etc). |
Antarea Starfallis
Caldari
Farsight Systems
Omega Vector |
Posted - 2010.07.16 15:35:00 - [ 10]
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations |
Posted - 2010.07.16 15:40:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Their drones, on the other hand, can aggro onto you regardless. So long as they were out and about before you aggressed the target, they will operate on their own for as far as the drone control range of the owner.
If the drones were already orbiting, and set to Aggressive, they will attack you so long as you are within drone control range. Drone range is different from sensor range, so whether or not you can lock a target 5km away, will not affect their ability to attack a target 50km away. |
Party Scout |
Posted - 2010.07.16 15:43:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Antarea Starfallis
Originally by: MoeJoe Green
Originally by: King Gore
I've been wondering the same thing lately too.
Will drones auto aggro out past targeting range?
Yes, doesn't matter if you have it locked. If something has agressed you or them, they will attack it.
I'm curious about this, because my experience with using drones is that unless you have a drone range mod in the high slot, your drones won't attack targets past a certain range. It might not matter at the ranges we are talking about here, but I was just curious.
That is true, drone will only attack up to their max range. Any further, and they'll stay <idle> besides you. However, the drone range is not affected by dampners, nor the ship targeting range. My ishtar can target at 69km, but my drones can attack out to 94km, and they do attack at that range. Drone control range, and targeting range are separate entities. |
MoeJoe Green
Gallente
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists |
Posted - 2010.07.20 19:17:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Party Scout
Originally by: Antarea Starfallis
Originally by: MoeJoe Green
Originally by: King Gore
I've been wondering the same thing lately too.
Will drones auto aggro out past targeting range?
Yes, doesn't matter if you have it locked. If something has agressed you or them, they will attack it.
I'm curious about this, because my experience with using drones is that unless you have a drone range mod in the high slot, your drones won't attack targets past a certain range. It might not matter at the ranges we are talking about here, but I was just curious.
That is true, drone will only attack up to their max range. Any further, and they'll stay <idle> besides you. However, the drone range is not affected by dampners, nor the ship targeting range. My ishtar can target at 69km, but my drones can attack out to 94km, and they do attack at that range.
Drone control range, and targeting range are separate entities.
This is not true. For example, I have a max drone range of 57. I set my sentry drones to attack a target. They WILL continue to fire at it even if the target goes further than 57 km. Or even my max locking range. |
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