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Bloom Flamestar
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:56:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Bloom Flamestar on 29/06/2010 13:53:59
Edited by: Bloom Flamestar on 29/06/2010 13:53:07
Delete it cause everyone likes Eve Downtimes


Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:58:00 - [2]
 

WORD SOUP

Steijn
Minmatar
Quay Industries
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:58:00 - [3]
 

anyone care to punctuate that so i can read it?

Mallikanth
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:59:00 - [4]
 

Good Grammar, well thought out argument, nicely presented and excellent punctuation.


Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:02:00 - [5]
 

I write prettier than that, and I'm a dsclioctix.

Djavo
Midas Tycho
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:03:00 - [6]
 

I had a sausage butty for breakfast today, was a pleasant change from sodding branflakes!


Major Templar
Caldari
Steel Daggers
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:03:00 - [7]
 

tl:dr

I'm ****ing and moaning that the server is offline and I think that it's just because it's down for some stupid stability issue, I'm too STUPID to read and know that it is actually a patch day. I am going to go play WoW now because my IQ doesn't extend past forty.

Oh, see that? Grammar and punctuations. USE THEM!!!

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:04:00 - [8]
 

that'll show him

greentusk
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:07:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar
i ask you personally how many days are willing to take away for maintenance until you finally provide a working Tranquility Server since as it seems you cant even provide the server for at least 7 days as the downtime history shows the main problem as i see it is unless you wont finally work on a stable server script that would reduce the downtime's but instead you do updates that will only solve the issue for a short time so I ask you when will you finally do your job right and work on the core issue namely the Server Stability until that is not fix the maintenance will make matters only worse but as I see it CCP enjoys doing downtime's or how else can you explain the mess that occurred since Tyranis got live as Eve was in Dominion so much downtime never took place so to rap it all up supply a stable Tranquilty Server that should be the top priority because this downtime's you should rename EVE Online to Eve Downtime


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Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:07:00 - [10]
 

Oh, fragg off. Evil or Very Mad

You cannot be that daft OP. Tranquillity is more up then down. Now if it was the other way around, even then that wordsoup would be totally not on its place.

If you cannot take it, GTFO. Nobody is forcing you to stay. And start by reading the EULa you signed upon before playing.

Sukawa Toiwon
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:07:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Steijn
anyone care to punctuate that so i can read it?


Here, let me try.

"Wrangler

When will you have the servers up and running again?"


The rest of it is emorage hot air. :)



Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Steijn
anyone care to punctuate that so i can read it?


even if it was puncuated, would you really want to read it?

Bloom Flamestar
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:18:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sukawa Toiwon
Originally by: Steijn
anyone care to punctuate that so i can read it?


Here, let me try.

"Wrangler

When will you have the servers up and running again?"


The rest of it is emorage hot air. :)




what i meant
1. The daily Maintenance is useless
Why cause what good is the maintenance if the one who does maintenance avoids the critical issues and tries just bypassing the problem and what happens when something like this downtime happens " That is a different issue that you cannot expect to see in maintenance " well for what is the Server Staff then good then to see that we have a stable Server
2. As long as the CCP Staff is only avoiding to tackle the main problem and rewriting the Sever routines (Program that controls that the Server runs without Lags or Crashes)
3. Instead of rewriting protocols they should come up with a new server mainframe that can handle such problem's easy or finally issue a second Live Sever as it seems the Server cant handle 50K Members at least not for long

DaRuLe
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:19:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: DaRuLe on 29/06/2010 13:19:57
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Originally by: Steijn
anyone care to punctuate that so i can read it?


Okay, here we go

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar

I ask you personally how many days are {?} willing to take away for maintenance until you finally provide a working Tranquility Server since, as it seems, you can't even provide the server for at least 7 days.
As the downtime history shows, the main problem as i see it is: unless you won't finally work on a stable server script that would reduce the downtimes but instead you do updates that will only solve the issue for a short time.

So I ask you: when will you finally do your job right and work on the core issue namely the Server Stability? Until that is not fix{ed} the maintenance will make matters only worse, but as I see it CCP enjoys doing downtimes or how else can you explain the mess that occurred since Tyranis got live as Eve was in Dominion so much downtime never took place.

So to rap it all up: supply a stable Tranquilty Server that should be the top priority because this downtimes you should rename EVE Online to Eve Downtime


The last sentence said it all. Why the word game? Razz

Sir Rush
Caldari
Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:21:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar

what i meant
1. The daily Maintenance is useless
Why cause what good is the maintenance if the one who does maintenance avoids the critical issues and tries just bypassing the problem and what happens when something like this downtime happens " That is a different issue that you cannot expect to see in maintenance " well for what is the Server Staff then good then to see that we have a stable Server



Do you even know what happens during EVE's daily downtime? Rolling Eyes

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:22:00 - [16]
 

MMO games are not for you. I beg of you to find a single one that has 7 days straight with no downtime, if you do you win my wallet.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:22:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Sir Rush


Do you even know what happens during EVE's daily downtime? Rolling Eyes


Regularly schedule daily orgy at CCP?

skelitor121
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:24:00 - [18]
 

All of ccp get there pew pew on Very Happy

Billy Hunt
Caldari
testicular Fortitude
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:24:00 - [19]
 

GTFO OF OUR EVE.

YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE.

GTFO NOW.

and guf me ur stuff.Cool


Major Templar
Caldari
Steel Daggers
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:25:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Sir Rush


Do you even know what happens during EVE's daily downtime? Rolling Eyes


Regularly schedule daily orgy at CCP?


Hey, where did you here that from? Is Navigator telling people again? Nav, you know better.

Rhinanna
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:26:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar
Originally by: Sukawa Toiwon
Originally by: Steijn
anyone care to punctuate that so i can read it?


Here, let me try.

"Wrangler

When will you have the servers up and running again?"


The rest of it is emorage hot air. :)




what i meant
1. The daily Maintenance is useless
Why cause what good is the maintenance if the one who does maintenance avoids the critical issues and tries just bypassing the problem and what happens when something like this downtime happens " That is a different issue that you cannot expect to see in maintenance " well for what is the Server Staff then good then to see that we have a stable Server
2. As long as the CCP Staff is only avoiding to tackle the main problem and rewriting the Sever routines (Program that controls that the Server runs without Lags or Crashes)
3. Instead of rewriting protocols they should come up with a new server mainframe that can handle such problem's easy or finally issue a second Live Sever as it seems the Server cant handle 50K Members at least not for long


1. Really? So you are a computer programmer with a high level of knowledge of Distribated Databases and server farm operation?
I actually am and I can tell you that taking the servers down everyday to speed up the DB operations is a VERY worthwhile thing. Besides from clearing the caches it allows a 'tidy up' of items to be done. Not to meantion the daily DT tasks like respawning e.t.c.

A DB of this size can not feasibly be up 24/7 without a level of equipment that would cost us around £100 per month instead of £20 for them to be economically feasible.

2. Yeah cos thats SO easy to do! And only takes two minutes. (spot the sarcasm)

3. Again, pay for the enhanced hardware and a 2nd copy of that hardware (at least £100,000, probably closer to £500,000 for one server farm) not to meantion the increased maintaince, storage, cooling and bandwidth costs.

If you had a clue what you were talking about and the problems involved and want to put down sensible suggestions then fair enough....
Sensible is very far from what you are suggesting.

Bloom Flamestar
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:27:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Billy Hunt
GTFO OF OUR EVE.

YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE.

GTFO NOW.

and guf me ur stuff.Cool



your Eve since when are you a member of CCP

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:30:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar
Originally by: Billy Hunt
GTFO OF OUR EVE.

YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE.

GTFO NOW.

and guf me ur stuff.Cool



your Eve since when are you a member of CCP


At least he can punctuate.

Major Templar
Caldari
Steel Daggers
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar
Originally by: Billy Hunt
GTFO OF OUR EVE.

YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE.

GTFO NOW.

and guf me ur stuff.Cool



your Eve since when are you a member of CCP


It is everyone's Eve!

I thought of something, here this will solve all your problems.

Step 1: Go to your start menu.
Step 2: Go to your control panel.
Step 3: Go to Add or Remove Programs.
Step 4: Go down to Eve Online and click on it then click Uninstall.
Step 5: Go through all the process of uninstalling it.
Step 6: Bash your head into a wall til you are bleeding from your ears.
Step 7: All of Eve celebrates as the world is down one idiot and your inferior genetic code will never be reproduced.

Bloom Flamestar
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:34:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Rhinanna
Originally by: Bloom Flamestar
Originally by: Sukawa Toiwon
Originally by: Steijn
anyone care to punctuate that so i can read it?


Here, let me try.

"Wrangler

When will you have the servers up and running again?"


The rest of it is emorage hot air. :)




what i meant
1. The daily Maintenance is useless
Why cause what good is the maintenance if the one who does maintenance avoids the critical issues and tries just bypassing the problem and what happens when something like this downtime happens " That is a different issue that you cannot expect to see in maintenance " well for what is the Server Staff then good then to see that we have a stable Server
2. As long as the CCP Staff is only avoiding to tackle the main problem and rewriting the Sever routines (Program that controls that the Server runs without Lags or Crashes)
3. Instead of rewriting protocols they should come up with a new server mainframe that can handle such problem's easy or finally issue a second Live Sever as it seems the Server cant handle 50K Members at least not for long


1. Really? So you are a computer programmer with a high level of knowledge of Distribated Databases and server farm operation?
I actually am and I can tell you that taking the servers down everyday to speed up the DB operations is a VERY worthwhile thing. Besides from clearing the caches it allows a 'tidy up' of items to be done. Not to meantion the daily DT tasks like respawning e.t.c.

A DB of this size can not feasibly be up 24/7 without a level of equipment that would cost us around £100 per month instead of £20 for them to be economically feasible.

2. Yeah cos thats SO easy to do! And only takes two minutes. (spot the sarcasm)

3. Again, pay for the enhanced hardware and a 2nd copy of that hardware (at least £100,000, probably closer to £500,000 for one server farm) not to meantion the increased maintaince, storage, cooling and bandwidth costs.

If you had a clue what you were talking about and the problems involved and want to put down sensible suggestions then fair enough....
Sensible is very far from what you are suggesting.


strangely when eve was Dominion it worked perfectly but since Tyranis nothing works Sever moves extended downtime's what next DB reconstruct you don't get the point do you the Server may work but somehow since Eve has been updated the stability of dominion has been left behind

Memorya
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:38:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Memorya on 29/06/2010 13:38:19


For all grammar ****'s in here: Linkage

Bloom Flamestar
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:41:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Major Templar
Originally by: Bloom Flamestar
Originally by: Billy Hunt
GTFO OF OUR EVE.

YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE.

GTFO NOW.

and guf me ur stuff.Cool



your Eve since when are you a member of CCP


It is everyone's Eve!

I thought of something, here this will solve all your problems.

Step 1: Go to your start menu.
Step 2: Go to your control panel.
Step 3: Go to Add or Remove Programs.
Step 4: Go down to Eve Online and click on it then click Uninstall.
Step 5: Go through all the process of uninstalling it.
Step 6: Bash your head into a wall til you are bleeding from your ears.
Step 7: All of Eve celebrates as the world is down one idiot and your inferior genetic code will never be reproduced.


no i wont i wont to know why eve preformance has been so bad lately and your insults are not helpfull

Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:41:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 29/06/2010 14:28:38
There are MMOs that does not have regular downtime's.

Major Templar
Caldari
Steel Daggers
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:47:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar
no i wont i wont to know why eve preformance has been so bad lately and your insults are not helpfull


No I won't, I want to know why Eve performance has been so bad lately and your insults are not helpful.

Ok, now that I had to educate you a little, lets talk about their the server performance. We all know that recently they moved their server, when they moved it we are talking about actually moving the entire server farm and I believe that they did one hell of a job getting it done that fast. If your talking about today!? Well they are patching it and they told us that. Regular downtime is needed so we can have a better running server. If you didn't then you would have problems from the server not being refreshed. It's like shutting down your computer. You need to do it every once in a while so it's refreshed, since theirs is a lot bigger, they do it more often. Get over it or get out. Stop your whining and please, Navigator lock this stupid thread.

Thanks for reading this college level written paragraph.

PS. You might want to go back to the third grade.

Compleat Bacon
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:47:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Bloom Flamestar

strangely when eve was Dominion it worked perfectly but since Tyranis nothing works Sever moves extended downtime's what next DB reconstruct you don't get the point do you the Server may work but somehow since Eve has been updated the stability of dominion has been left behind


Actually, I have memories of extended downtimes last year. And other incidents. You are remembering a single period of stability, which probably happened for many reasons. But it would not be the "average" state.

The number of high skill tech people who play this game is much higher than any other game I've been involved with. (I'm in that category, btw.) In our expert opinions, CCP is doing not a bad job given the $$ and other constraints they operate under.

Last week's 30 hour outage involved an unplanned restore of the database from backup. (Proof of this is the forum posting loss.) I suspect they tried to move the RAM SAN without losing data, and that failed for some reason.

The only way to prevent that would have been duplicate hardware, setting up the new stuff, transfer, then taking down the old. That costs mega $$, and wasn't going to happen in this case.


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