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Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:07:00 - [1]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

The Threat is Real.
This is what sits on the other side of the Sansha attack wormholes.
These are not isolated attacks. You can ignore it no longer.


Rise now as one, or fall.

My thanks to pilot Mouse Nell, who was able to finally probe the other side of the gateways.

Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:09:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Milo Caman on 25/06/2010 23:19:04
Excellent! More targets!

Lillith Blackheart
NeuroGEN
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:11:00 - [3]
 

It is beautiful, don't you think?

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:12:00 - [4]
 

Yeah, I'm going to suggest that this is insufficient data.

Mister Screwball
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:14:00 - [5]
 

Behold Nation is Infinate you cannot win

Slave Canus0001
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:17:00 - [6]
 

They will not listen. You provide images when proof is required. Corroboration of this intel is necessary.

If true, our analyses are correct. The hand, cut off from the arm of the Master, will provide no link to the mind behind this.

Caution is necessary, lest the prey slip past the hunter.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:26:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mister Screwball
Behold Nation is Infinite you cannot win


You must be using a different definition of "Infinite" to the rest of us. THAT is a long way from being infinite.

Very large, yes, but nothing unassailable with proper planning and execution

Dender Cage
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:31:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Dender Cage on 25/06/2010 23:36:28
That feed is enough to make someone turn alcoholic... or even think that maybe Sansha's may be the horse to back.

Mouse Nell
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:37:00 - [9]
 

I can confirm the authenticity of those images. Just... so many ships.

Look, i count... 3 titans. But whats that thing in the back? My analyzer's having trouble iding it.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:51:00 - [10]
 

We will be prepared.

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:26:00 - [11]
 

Paltry. Three titans, eight motherships, twelve dreadnoughts, about fourty carriers, a couple hundred battleships - no doubt piloted by non-capsuleers, and a few hundred cruisers and frigates. They're so out of sorts that most of their heavier equipment is stolen or copied from other empires - despite their vaccuous rhetoric about being better than us, they're forced to play with our toys because they don't possess the intelligence to build their own. That fleet doesn't even amount to the resources of a smaller territory-holding alliance. You give the Sansha far too much credit. A single regional navy could obliterate that force without even breaking a sweat.

You give these subhuman animals more credit than they deserve, Graelyn. If it weren't for their ability to open wormholes, they'd be nothing. Fearmongering will get us nowhere. Remain cautious of their newfound penchant for creating wormholes but don't let them bamboozle you into thinking they hold any type of real power other than that - don't feed their arrogance by pretending that it's in any way justified.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:27:00 - [12]
 

Considering that The Amarr Empire can field a fleet huge enough to completely dwarf that one for ceremonial purposes, I really don't see any reason to be alarmed. If that's all they have, then they're stuck with small raiding actions that we've proven we can respond to and interfere with.

Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:27:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 26/06/2010 00:28:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-TzmmJ5Tkg

Not to downplay the threat, but I think that the numbers game isn't really a good call for them right now. 'specially since my hololink is for a party.

(edit) beaten by Stitcher :P

Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:37:00 - [14]
 

The major problem remains the same : they can access our assets, we can't access theirs.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:50:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Julianus Soter on 26/06/2010 00:50:14
That facility is a Jovian station. We know this from old imagery of Angel Cartel facilities in Curse, in the Utopia System, of the same configuration.

It appears that Admiral Ouria, of year 105 fame, might have had a more significant impact than originally believed. Instead of attempting to carve out his own empire, he seems to have made an arrangement with the remnants of Nation.

From 105 onward, we have witnessed the rebirth of Nation in a new, unique form.

We will continue to conduct analysis of the situation and report as necessary.

Haeldone Dorgiers
Gallente
CONCORD
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:54:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter
That facility is a Jovian station.


I cannot speak any further on the matter at this time other than to confirm it as Prosper Vault, 3-CE1R.

I would caution you against hubris, capsuleers. The size of the fleet is not the point of primary concern.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:59:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter
Edited by: Julianus Soter on 26/06/2010 00:50:14
That facility is a Jovian station. We know this from old imagery of Angel Cartel facilities in Curse, in the Utopia System, of the same configuration.

It appears that Admiral Ouria, of year 105 fame, might have had a more significant impact than originally believed. Instead of attempting to carve out his own empire, he seems to have made an arrangement with the remnants of Nation.

From 105 onward, we have witnessed the rebirth of Nation in a new, unique form.

We will continue to conduct analysis of the situation and report as necessary.



This would explain the rumors regarding the tracing of some Nation slaves to Jovian space.

Is there anything the Jovians have to say on these matters? I know the alliance tournament was there but there were restrictions on traveling around. I think the Jovians have lost control of some significant parts of their space, and this Admiral Ouria would be key to something like that happening. Indeed it appears that a deal was struck somewhere: the Sansha carve our a place in the Jove Empire, in exchange for Jovian jump/WH technology.

If the Jovians are having a news blackout on these matters and will not respond to inquiries, then this lends more suspicion. There is a chance that the Jovians are experiencing their own disaster and might be in need of our help.






Ember Vykos
Caldari
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:14:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Ember Vykos on 26/06/2010 02:48:25
This is...troubling. Nothing we cant handle with proper planning and cooperation, but troubling just the same. Still, CROW stands ready to face this threat when it emerges.



Lillith Blackheart
NeuroGEN
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:15:00 - [19]
 

My my, imagine my surprise to be in agreement with Officer Dorgiers about something.

Perhaps I should stop by Yulai again to say hello.

Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.06.26 04:11:00 - [20]
 

Madmoiselle Nell, please could you give specifics on the locust signature of the Sansha staging point?.

I would like to to report to the SDII and FIO such findings and request further instructions.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.26 04:35:00 - [21]
 

As Commander Dorgiers has already indicated, the system is 3-CE1R, Jovian Directorate. I'm afraid there's nothing the SDII can do there.

Sinti Vailatti
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:12:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Haeldone Dorgiers
Originally by: Julianus Soter
That facility is a Jovian station.


I cannot speak any further on the matter at this time other than to confirm it as Prosper Vault, 3-CE1R.

I would caution you against hubris, capsuleers. The size of the fleet is not the point of primary concern.


I would caution against trusting anything said by a Concord official who keeps close ties with Sansha Nation representatives.

So yeah. Pretty ships, but not much of a threat in and of themselves. Sansha can't even beat the capsuleers of our governments. If they were a credible threat, I'm sure one of our governments would have swatted them by now.

I think we need to pay attention to the people behind that curtain of ships. We need to find the people pulling the strings in Sansha and Concord. Those are the ones who need to have their necks stretched.



Haeldone Dorgiers
Gallente
CONCORD
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:31:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
I would caution against trusting anything said by a Concord official who keeps close ties with Sansha Nation representatives.


I don't fear scrutiny, pilot. If you believe you have some kind of evidence proving your claims, then share it.


Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:40:00 - [24]
 

No, I've killed the Sansha CONCORD operative, Sutola Endoma, personally. Dorgiers is of a different breed. Firstly, he isn't a total ***** like she was. And he's flown in combat supporting our forces in lowsec on multiple occasions.

I'll vouch personally for his trustworthiness in this matter.

As stated by others the video and SigID corrollate with various agent testimony regarding Nation Slave movements. We merely had no reason to believe the agents before. Now we can.


Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.06.26 05:57:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 26/06/2010 05:57:17
Haeldone Dorgiers, has DED maintained any communication with the Jove Empire or an Emissary thereof about these matters? These developments are most disturbing for all of the denizens of New Eden, and more information and cooperation will be needed to form an adequate response.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2010.06.26 06:03:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Edited by: Evelgrivion on 26/06/2010 05:57:17
Haeldone Dorgiers, has DED maintained any communication with the Jove Empire or an Emissary thereof about these matters? These developments are most disturbing for all of the denizens of New Eden, and more information and cooperation will be needed to form an adequate response.


This. Start spilling beans or CONCORD and the capsuleer community might end up with a new "trust issue".

Sinti Vailatti
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2010.06.26 06:50:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Haeldone Dorgiers

I don't fear scrutiny, pilot. If you believe you have some kind of evidence proving your claims, then share it.



On 05/20 Ghost Hunter was tailed through several systems by certain...friends. These agents witnessed him meet with you in a Concord-controlled system. Then, acting on information that YOU provided him, Ghost went to a nearby system:

[ 2010.05.20 06:56:56 ] NAME BLOCKED > A dramatic exit indeed, though I would have run farther
[ 2010.05.20 06:58:28 ] Ghost Hunter > You are quick indeed. Yes, I could return to Stain if I wish.
[ 2010.05.20 06:58:34 ] Ghost Hunter > Unfortunately there is something I need here.
[ 2010.05.20 06:58:41 ] NAME BLOCKED > And what would that be?
[ 2010.05.20 07:01:12 ] Ghost Hunter > A ... special, cybernetic.

Once there, Ghost was able to find his “device” and then make a colorful exit:

[ 2010.05.20 07:37:07 ] Ghost Hunter > A moment, if you will.
[ 2010.05.20 07:37:54 ] Ghost Hunter > Witness the light that showed Tama unity.
((At this point he opens an enourmous wormhole, crackling with energy, he does this twice, and then disappears))
[ 2010.05.20 07:38:12 ] Ghost Hunter > ...brief as it is.
[ 2010.05.20 07:38:28 ] Ghost Hunter > /emote wheezes a laugh > Hee-hee-hee.
[ 2010.05.20 07:39:17 ] GauntletWizard > what In heavens name?
[ 2010.05.20 07:40:20 ] NAME BLOCKED > I'm not sure what that was
[ 2010.05.20 07:43:26 ] NAME BLOCKED > I fear that things will only grow darker


And they will, for Ghost. For Sansha and for any of you that are secretly supporting them.

Of course this is just a small piece of the evidence. A full transcript of this agent is available, and it shows Ghost meeting with YOU and getting intel from YOU.

I’m not going to post the full copy here at this time because you’re not going to be allowed the opportunity to find a legal way to weasel out of your complicity. You’re going to be dragged to a court of law and if God wills it bucko, you’re going to be taken out and shot as a reminder to others in Concord of what it means to betray the trust of the people you’re supposed to protect.

Amarr Victor!



Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2010.06.26 07:31:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Aphoxema G on 26/06/2010 07:39:56
If Sansha's Nation can produce a fleet of this proportion then doubling it is only a matter of time.

This demands massive organization of CONCORD, capsuleers and anyone who would care to survive to stamp this threat out before it grows beyond imagination. Sansha's Nation is clearly planning to annihilate/enslave/do other bad things to us all and by design they are a Hell of a lot better at working towards a single goal then we collectively are.

It's easy to scoff at this image and imagine everyone suddenly working together when they do decide to invade but even now they are working to break apart any alliance of a force that can eliminate them. These numbers may seem small compared to the number of people qualified to retaliate but Sansha's Nation isn't going to just throw itself at us. They'll carefully plot and eliminate smaller threats at a time and dissect the entirety of Humanity's defense.

Also, though I do hate to jump to such conclusions, the sight of a Jovian station in the midsts of this fleet does not bode well no matter what the reason. Maybe the technology was stolen, maybe the Jove have been destroyed or enslaved or perhaps... the Jove are working with them. Every possibility is horrifying in reflection to the history of the Jove's technical superiority.

The only chance we have of survival is to strike first.

Yazus Kor
Kotharat Logistics
Posted - 2010.06.26 12:05:00 - [29]
 


Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.06.26 13:37:00 - [30]
 

Sinji, I had operatives on the scene of that event. Mr. Hunter apparently went to the Yulai Graveyards to pull something from the wreckage. He then activated his Widow's jump drive to leave the area once he did so.

There is no information showing any information transfer between Haeldone and Hunter. It seemed to merely be a bit of small talk between foes.


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