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Topic |
Gregory Alexis |
Posted - 2010.06.17 04:11:00 - [ 1]
A couple of days ago a Proteus with a covert-ops fitting has decided to start hanging around my corporation's wormhole POS. Its mostly just been an annoyance (running our sleeper sites, attempted gank of a salvager, blowing away a Badger II, and killing a couple other random people who wandered into our system), but we're getting tired of it being around. We have sufficient firepower and numbers to deal with it in a fight, but the problem is how do we catch the thing? |
khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:56:00 - [ 2]
Bait ship with large buffer and Stealth bombers to lock and point it when it decloaks then warp in the DPS = profit  |
Gregory Alexis |
Posted - 2010.06.17 06:53:00 - [ 3]
It has a cloaking device, would that be an issue with that suggestion? I'm not very familiar with them. :/ |
Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives |
Posted - 2010.06.17 06:58:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Gregory Alexis
It has a cloaking device, would that be an issue with that suggestion? I'm not very familiar with them. :/
You could trap or trick him some how using a bait ship or whatever. Once you have a target lock on him he can't cloak up so make sure your bait can target and point him. |
CyberRaver
Wildly Inappropriate |
Posted - 2010.06.17 12:22:00 - [ 5]
As they said, fit up a likely bait targets, in a site or mining and see if the fishy bites, if it does either decloak or warp in the cavalry, and you got yourselves a free t3 kill |
khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:39:00 - [ 6]
although your target could also be reading this post . . . . |
Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:01:00 - [ 7]
All you need is one single well fit and skilled battlecruiser, cloaking t3 are mostly useless at fighting proper ships. A tanked badger 2 sounds like a good bait, not like cloaky t3 does any dps to speak of, few invus and mses and a scram and there you have it. |
Chaka Clee |
Posted - 2010.06.18 02:58:00 - [ 8]
talk about dejavu earlier today me and a a corp mate were having a mock drake v drake battle and all of a sudden this proteus drops out of nowhere and blows up my corpmates drake. i fortuanatley warped out the moment he showed |
Glonn
Amarr
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED |
Posted - 2010.06.18 03:12:00 - [ 9]
the thing you have to think about is... theres a cloaky proteous. is there SB and black ops ? |
Arous Drephius |
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:16:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Glonn
the thing you have to think about is... theres a cloaky proteous. is there SB and black ops ?
It's a wormhole. SB maybe. Black Ops almost certainly not. |
Baillif
AQUILA INC |
Posted - 2010.06.19 05:20:00 - [ 11]
Edited by: Baillif on 19/06/2010 05:24:16
Bait it with a single T1 battleship. A neut domi or a tempest with heavy neuts in its utility highs would be perfect. Make sure you have web and scram. The prot will cap out in seconds and since it has the cov ops fit it has no drones. A capped out prot cannot shoot back for **** and is utterly useless.
A hurricane with 2 med newts will work nicely as well if he does not bite on the battleship. Cloaky prot is probably the worst cloaky t3 possible. |
Malevolent Miko |
Posted - 2010.06.19 09:58:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Chaka Clee
talk about dejavu earlier today me and a a corp mate were having a mock drake v drake battle and all of a sudden this proteus drops out of nowhere and blows up my corpmates drake. i fortuanatley warped out the moment he showed
This made me lol, some friend you are !  |
Anton Marik |
Posted - 2010.06.19 12:27:00 - [ 13]
Trouble is, any cloaky T3 isn't about to engage any BC or BS in a WH.
They are likely to pick off easy, quick kills, rise and repeat.
A decent T3 pilot will be very very hard to get rid of I'm afraid so make sure a neut fitted BC/BS flys with your barges or haulers, he's unlikely to engage them then. |
Baillif
AQUILA INC |
Posted - 2010.06.19 20:08:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Anton Marik
Trouble is, any cloaky T3 isn't about to engage any BC or BS in a WH.
They are likely to pick off easy, quick kills, rise and repeat.
A decent T3 pilot will be very very hard to get rid of I'm afraid so make sure a neut fitted BC/BS flys with your barges or haulers, he's unlikely to engage them then.
If he is decent sure, but EVE is full of rookies Could also bait with t1 cruisers or maybe even a neut fitted battle barge of some sort. Newt and tackle capability is whats important here |
Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:10:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Baillif
A hurricane with 2 med newts will work nicely as well if he does not bite on the battleship. Cloaky prot is probably the worst cloaky t3 possible.
A hurricane will shred a cloaky proteus with neutralizers or without, mostly has to do with cloaking t3 being terrible at actual combat against proper ships. BS is a huge overkill but will of course work provided proteus is baited by something else. As for bait, BS is probably a bad idea since anyone flying cloaky t3 isn't looking for serious kills. Hence use badger. Invu, thermal hardener, kinetic hardener, 2x mse, scram, dc, pdus, extender rigs.... ovelroaded hardeners give above 40k ehp against blasters with some 250 dps tank at peak recharge you'll probably never reach since he'll likely be dead much faster once your hurricane or whatever ship you chose buddy lands. Oh yes, be smart and turn on hardeners on badger only after he uncloaks and comes to scram range, you don't want to look suspicious.  |
Dimdamm |
Posted - 2010.06.20 12:39:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Dimdamm on 20/06/2010 12:47:33
Edited by: Dimdamm on 20/06/2010 12:46:57
Edited by: Dimdamm on 20/06/2010 12:39:36
[Badger Mark II, BADGER BADGER BAGER]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
+ 2 bombers fitted with disruptor cloaked around (bombers can lock immediatly after they decloak) + a few dps ship ready to warp = enjoy the ganker's tears |
Von Kroll
Caldari
Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:55:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Dimdamm
Edited by: Dimdamm on 20/06/2010 12:47:33
Edited by: Dimdamm on 20/06/2010 12:46:57
Edited by: Dimdamm on 20/06/2010 12:39:36
[Badger Mark II, BADGER BADGER BAGER]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
+ 2 bombers fitted with disruptor cloaked around (bombers can lock immediatly after they decloak) + a few dps ship ready to warp = enjoy the ganker's tears
That's probably as good a buffer tank as you can get, but Badgers work well with a cheap active tank to, since the cargo hold can hold more cap boosters than you can shake a stick at. Just another technique I've used before... Neut could be useful in the high as well... |
ImAPostingAlt
Amarr |
Posted - 2010.06.21 01:09:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Baillif
Edited by: Baillif on 19/06/2010 05:24:16
Cloaky prot is probably the worst cloaky t3 possible.
A very informative post ruined by this line of shear stupidity. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2010.06.21 03:10:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: khazak mokl
Bait ship with large buffer and Stealth bombers to lock and point it when it decloaks then warp in the DPS = profit
did...did you just suggest putting a point on a stealth bomber? You know, the type of ship that cannot fit anything resembling a tank that will melt in seconds to a flight of light drones? |
khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.21 06:01:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: khazak mokl
Bait ship with large buffer and Stealth bombers to lock and point it when it decloaks then warp in the DPS = profit
did...did you just suggest putting a point on a stealth bomber? You know, the type of ship that cannot fit anything resembling a tank that will melt in seconds to a flight of light drones?
I had never realised that. Thanks for pointing it out  The point here is as someone else realised above. To get a point ASAP b4 the proteus starts to mwd away and the SB has no decloaking penalty and pretty good locking speed. The SB holds point till somethink a bit bigger gets one then gets out. Even if u loose a SB you gain more from the proteus kill and the cloaky that has been botherin them for weeks is gone and then normal operations can resume for the poster. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2010.06.21 06:58:00 - [ 21]
hell if short term tackle is your goal then go all the way with it. Scram/web and buffer tank....You're going to need help regardless so you may as well not half ass the tackler aspect. Just a point will result in him burning away, blasting you to pieces in a second and escaping.
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Aesheera
Amarr
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:17:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Gregory Alexis
A couple of days ago a Proteus with a covert-ops fitting ..... We have sufficient firepower and numbers to deal with it
Lol, 'Sufficient numbers'? This is a cloaky Prot after all. And how to catch it? Reread your own post: What does it like to kill? Bait it. Tackle it. Kill it. You dont need a ****load of ships to kill a cloaky Proteus. |
Sinnek
Minmatar
CTRL-Q |
Posted - 2010.06.22 11:23:00 - [ 23]
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Lee009
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
Warped Aggression |
Posted - 2010.06.22 13:33:00 - [ 24]
Seems like your corp doesn't do a lot of pvp. I suggest hire mercs to get him out. The best way to kill a dangerous animal to get another dangerous animal to hunt it down. "davy jones locker" is a good anti-pirating corp. |
Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp |
Posted - 2010.06.22 15:57:00 - [ 25]
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Wayay Bonnylad |
Posted - 2010.06.22 22:41:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
did...did you just suggest putting a point on a stealth bomber? You know, the type of ship that cannot fit anything resembling a tank that will melt in seconds to a flight of light drones?
Yes ... yes he did. It's a cloaky Proteus - it doesn't have a flight of drones, nor any way to hit a SB orbitting at 20km (unless it is a cloaky rail Proteus!?) A bomber is perfectly capable of getting the initial point on something and keeping it on until the heavy mob turns up. With a MWD and damp he should be golden against a Proteus, but even better would be to drop the damp and fit a tracking disruptor. After all, you know what your target is. |
Anatarian |
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:32:00 - [ 27]
Just like to point something out....
Those of you who think a cloaky proteus can not field a full flight of small drones, are fitting the proteus wrong...
A cloaky proteus can field a full set of 5 light drones, along with carrying 5 extra dps drones, and 10 logistic drones, (say 5 small ewar, and 5 small neut drones)
Hint, do not fit the Power core mulitplier |
Naveed Baki
Minmatar
Mobility Innovations |
Posted - 2010.06.24 19:06:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Anatarian
Just like to point something out....
Those of you who think a cloaky proteus can not field a full flight of small drones, are fitting the proteus wrong...
A cloaky proteus can field a full set of 5 light drones, along with carrying 5 extra dps drones, and 10 logistic drones, (say 5 small ewar, and 5 small neut drones)
Hint, do not fit the Power core mulitplier
this is a truth i jus tested it, augmented cap subsystem has 100m3 drone bay and 25 m3 bandwidth, epicness |
Gibbo3771 |
Posted - 2010.06.26 17:42:00 - [ 29]
Love the git that said proteus is the worse cloaky t3 when its the one with the highest dps and second highest buffer.
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Criss AngeI
THE MIND FREAK |
Posted - 2010.06.27 06:26:00 - [ 30]
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