Originally by: Virtuozzo

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You don't think it would be a better idea to move away from "Capitals Online" by means of looking for ways to promote and reward small to medium level PVP prowesse?

Right now the supercapital card is the Ace that trumps everything, for all intents and practical purposes, up to and including killing nodes as a means of campaign doctrine. It's one of those points of presence in EVE where volume impedes dynamics.

Pushing to encourage this trend, under the marketing of "let's make low sec interesting for faction BPC's" seems to be a continuation of a school of thought which is counterproductive to PVP.

I admit, it would be very nice to see Low Sec being useful and interesting, but this format is just following the path that builds upon and promotes trench warfare on an increasingly higher scale.

I can see why many people want that, but that is a political instrument, not something that ties to game design.

Look at the state of EVE in China, where political polarisation and arms proliferation has resulted in an environment of several great virtual walls in space, behind which people do as they please for the sake of the grind, while the subscriber and concurrent user counts continue to decline.

I'm sorry, but you need to do better marketing This is just politics, understandable, but not attractive.

Honestly Low Sec would be much better served by mechanisms that enable players to influence it directly and dynamically through their actions. This is a principle that has always pushed EVE ahead.

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Originally by: Virtuozzo

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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources

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You know I was taking your post seriously until you described faction warfare as the feature to "save lowsec".

Try harder next time

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Don't twist words, or try to put words in someone's mouth

You're better then that. I never mentioned Faction Warfare, far from it.

I agree low sec needs viable elements that make it worth people's while to dabble in it, to live in it, to work in it and kill in it. And yes, that is very limited right now.

However, throwing one structural challenge of EVE in as a means of reward of the negative spiral, is not a solution. I'd love to turn my Titans into faction versions, I can just picture a True Sansha Mushroom with globular extensions underneath - but that is a topic entirely on its own.

If you truly want to make low sec a viable niche within EVE, I wouldn't put it to the use of other niches, but try and think of ways where low sec as a niche is able to function as a niche first, and interact with other niches second.

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Originally by: Virtuozzo

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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources

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So you agree lowsec needs to be viable but you don't want to see a pile of new faction things because you disagree with the idea of faction capitals because somehow it encourages trench warfare(That will be there anyways) You think lowsec needs a draw that isn't this but it's a vague feature that allows players to influence the game directly with their actions(faction warfare) but it most definitely is not faction warfare.

You're either trolling or ****ing ******ed.

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I'd love to see Low Sec have commercially interesting elements, stuff that makes it worth people's while to venture there. You and I both know this is one of the reasons why 0.0 attracts people, it's the concept of "if it doesn't pay, it ain't gonna go your way". CCP will, among other things, have to think of ways to address this.

That being said, I do think that taking the angle of (super)capitals as a point of interest here is the wrong angle to take.

I think it is fair to say that there are differences in how people approach 0.0 and the empires players build, but I think it is also fair to say that there is something of a law of diminishing returns that already applies to 0.0 for reasons directly tied to the topic of (super)capitals. Several parts of that challenge have already been addressed, but as we all know 0.0 is where it is the most clear of all places that there are limits to this race between the mythical bullet and the armour, not the least in terms of performance but on a more fundamental level in terms of human behaviour. We're human beings, we always seek shelter and dominance alike in numbers.

But that is a topic on its own. Which is one of the reasons why I think it is not a great idea to use this as an instrument of pushing another niche of the game.

Also, repeating something which is your conclusion, and not mine, does not make the insinuation that I am advertising faction warfare any more true

Truthfully, on the contrary. I see Faction Warfare as its own niche within the game, and an admittedly failed annex flawed niche, but that too is a topic on its own.

I think that the commercial value is only one piece of the puzzle for low sec, it reminds me of something we have in 0.0: the ability to influence the territory, to build a dominion within it, to leave a mark on it. To have an impact on the elements and people within the niche. These are things which low sec simply does not have.

That being said, CCP always establishes niches in such a way that they are interconnected, but always with tangible merit from the niche to the niche. This is what makes people live, build, work and kill in those niches.

Btw, Vuk just said he is buying us a suite in the M-O hotel, so we can get a room there. We're getting Tj and Chee as personal assistants, sweet deal no?

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Originally by: thebold

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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources

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*insert troll*

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You even admit this is a troll. Titan is definitely not an I Win button and we both know this

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What I am saying is:

FC: Pirate Erebus with some awesome armour buff per level 35% on top of 7.5% per level is? I don't do maths =D.
WC: Some normal Erebus at 7.5% per level
SC: I don't know a damnation with armour buffs (insert: OMG I WIN AND WILL NEVER DIE GOD MODE!).

The reason the buffs would work is because these are 2 unique ships.
This is what I mean by game breaking.

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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources

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I will have to respond to this fully later, a group of fifteen people are throwing out paragraphs of stuff concerning this post where you are either blowing smoke or ******ed. I don't have time to condense it all now.

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