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Anonymous Player |
Posted - 2010.06.14 07:46:00 - [ 91]
 Originally by: Tertiacero
Oh wow, this thread is comedy gold! Are you all the same person or what?
The fact is that CCP Claw has done a far better job getting and keeping this tournament together than any of us have any realistic reason to expect. For all the infractions of the rules so far he has responded with very fair decisions. The difference between the other two cases (VOLTRON and ROL) and the Kadeshi make this whole whinefest unimportant. As soon as we realized that something was horribly wrong we petitioned and mailed the hell out of any CCP employee we thought might have some ability to help us and ACTUALLY BEGGED ON THE FORUMS for CCP Claw to allow us to compete. Every one of our pilots would have, if not for that couple of days when CCP was deciding what to do with us, had the required 60 consecutive days in alliance. If you had noticed that you were fielding 101 points before the match begun (STILL your responsibility...not Claw's) then more than likely you would have been given a bit more leniency.
Eve is generally a game that punishes the stupid move. What makes you think that crying and pointing your fingers at the devs because life isn't fair and it was deemed that rol's infraction, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INFRACTION THAN YOURS, means that yours should go unpunished will generate the level of sympathy obviously believe you deserve?
FFS stop posting with your alts.
To take the words out of your corp: Shut up and play. I'm not an alt for any of the involved alliances. As far as with WFV, you all knew the rules of the tournament and chose to leave your alliance and rejoin for whatever reason. If that's the case, then you should be DQ'd because, again to take words from you, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to stay in the alliance until the tournament. It wasn't a surprise rule sprung on you. You knew ahead of time. However! ROL was an established alliance that existed for longer than 60 days, and thus should not have been allowed to compete with a newer player. They had plenty of other players to choose from. The reason this situation shouldn't be allowed, is because if you have an alliance that is in the AT, and has some good pilots, they could gather other good pilots from other alliances to form a "super team" of some of the best pilots with a very good chance of winning. The pilots would then get the prizes (I BPC with x number of runs, or whatever, and split the rewards.) Also, I do think that Kadeshi should be punished. If you read my posts, you'll see that I want rules to be followed. I don't want Kadeshi to get off scott-free. I also believe Agony Empire should be have their first round win revoked, because it should not be possible to simply get dominated and just buy the win as was the case. They'd have gotten 0 points if they didn't pay for a win. It's despicable that such a thing was allowed to happen. |
Tertiacero
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.06.14 07:53:00 - [ 92]
Originally by: Anonymous Player
Originally by: Tertiacero
Oh wow, this thread is comedy gold! Are you all the same person or what?
The fact is that CCP Claw has done a far better job getting and keeping this tournament together than any of us have any realistic reason to expect. For all the infractions of the rules so far he has responded with very fair decisions. The difference between the other two cases (VOLTRON and ROL) and the Kadeshi make this whole whinefest unimportant. As soon as we realized that something was horribly wrong we petitioned and mailed the hell out of any CCP employee we thought might have some ability to help us and ACTUALLY BEGGED ON THE FORUMS for CCP Claw to allow us to compete. Every one of our pilots would have, if not for that couple of days when CCP was deciding what to do with us, had the required 60 consecutive days in alliance. If you had noticed that you were fielding 101 points before the match begun (STILL your responsibility...not Claw's) then more than likely you would have been given a bit more leniency.
Eve is generally a game that punishes the stupid move. What makes you think that crying and pointing your fingers at the devs because life isn't fair and it was deemed that rol's infraction, WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INFRACTION THAN YOURS, means that yours should go unpunished will generate the level of sympathy obviously believe you deserve?
FFS stop posting with your alts.
To take the words out of your corp: Shut up and play.
I'm not an alt for any of the involved alliances. As far as with WFV, you all knew the rules of the tournament and chose to leave your alliance and rejoin for whatever reason. If that's the case, then you should be DQ'd because, again to take words from you, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to stay in the alliance until the tournament. It wasn't a surprise rule sprung on you. You knew ahead of time.
However! ROL was an established alliance that existed for longer than 60 days, and thus should not have been allowed to compete with a newer player. They had plenty of other players to choose from. The reason this situation shouldn't be allowed, is because if you have an alliance that is in the AT, and has some good pilots, they could gather other good pilots from other alliances to form a "super team" of some of the best pilots with a very good chance of winning. The pilots would then get the prizes (I BPC with x number of runs, or whatever, and split the rewards.)
Also, I do think that Kadeshi should be punished. If you read my posts, you'll see that I want rules to be followed. I don't want Kadeshi to get off scott-free.
I also believe Agony Empire should be have their first round win revoked, because it should not be possible to simply get dominated and just buy the win as was the case. They'd have gotten 0 points if they didn't pay for a win. It's despicable that such a thing was allowed to happen.
So basically what I got out of that is: "I'm not involved but I want things done my way or I'm going to cry for three forum pages so far." Got it, teach me to argue with an idiot. |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point. |
Posted - 2010.06.14 08:10:00 - [ 93]
players "oops, honest mistake"
CCP "don't worry about it, we can top that. observe!" |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League |
Posted - 2010.06.14 08:16:00 - [ 94]
This tournament have run so much better than any other tournament I've witnessed... Great respect for the level of awesomeness created by "The Claw!!"
The rulings so far IMO seems not 100% perfect, but it's damn close and the rulings go within the intentions of the rules which makes sense.
Pinky |
Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2010.06.14 08:41:00 - [ 95]
Originally by: Anonymous Player
Hurf
So basicly, you're not involved, in any way shape or form. Most of the other competing teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that ROL's one pilot was handled, most of the other teams have said "Fair deal" on the way that Voltron was handled. And the other teams have said "Fair deal" on how Kadeshi was penalised. But apparently a few NPC corp alt posters/Kadeshi pilots are now angry that Kadeshi got found breaking a rule and got a slap on the wrist. Would you rather CCP Claw have decided that Kadeshi should be DQ from the next tourny? |
the Whitenoise |
Posted - 2010.06.14 08:49:00 - [ 96]
just a small thing
people are going on about Claw being inconsistent in his adjudication of penalties in he docks points from Kad and just wrist slaps RED,
the rules say all punishments are up to him and at his discretion, there is no promise of consistency, balance or fairness, its there in the rules that CCPClaw may punish any rules violation to his own personal whim, so in a sense he is PERFECTLY within the rules of the tourney,
now if you want to campaign for the Tourney 9 rules creating a standard format for penalties and impartial adjudication fair enough but this time round feel the CLAWBAT
and btw that moa was only going to explode in the next 10min if he flew out of bounds |
Raeza
Beyond Divinity Inc |
Posted - 2010.06.14 09:15:00 - [ 97]
Originally by: the Whitenoise
just a small thing
people are going on about Claw being inconsistent in his adjudication of penalties in he docks points from Kad and just wrist slaps RED,
the rules say all punishments are up to him and at his discretion, there is no promise of consistency, balance or fairness, its there in the rules that CCPClaw may punish any rules violation to his own personal whim, so in a sense he is PERFECTLY within the rules of the tourney,
now if you want to campaign for the Tourney 9 rules creating a standard format for penalties and impartial adjudication fair enough but this time round feel the CLAWBAT
and btw that moa was only going to explode in the next 10min if he flew out of bounds
^This |
Lady Janey |
Posted - 2010.06.14 09:19:00 - [ 98]
Edited by: Lady Janey on 14/06/2010 09:23:01 Originally by: the Whitenoise
just a small thing
people are going on about Claw being inconsistent in his adjudication of penalties in he docks points from Kad and just wrist slaps RED,
the rules say all punishments are up to him and at his discretion, there is no promise of consistency, balance or fairness, its there in the rules that CCPClaw may punish any rules violation to his own personal whim, so in a sense he is PERFECTLY within the rules of the tourney,
now if you want to campaign for the Tourney 9 rules creating a standard format for penalties and impartial adjudication fair enough but this time round feel the CLAWBAT
and btw that moa was only going to explode in the next 10min if he flew out of bounds
this... goes to show how biased CCP Claw is in regards to ROL and WFV, due to having friends in both those alliances. Pity the Kadeshi have no CCP alts / friends otherwise they wouldn't have been docked any points either. |
the Whitenoise |
Posted - 2010.06.14 09:26:00 - [ 99]
personally i think the next punishment Claw hands out should be the offending alliance team is forced to enter all future tournaments under the name
Priscilla the Amazing Space Hampster
now that would be awesome
and even with ccp alts Kadeshi still would have lost cause nothing short of a triage carrier was going to win them that fight |
Nkalv
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.14 09:30:00 - [ 100]
Originally by: the Whitenoise
and even with ccp alts Kadeshi still would have lost cause nothing short of a triage carrier was going to win them that fight
Did you miss the fact that if it wasnt for the points penalty they would have gone thru? |
the Whitenoise |
Posted - 2010.06.14 09:33:00 - [ 101]
Edited by: the Whitenoise on 14/06/2010 09:38:09
ACtually yes with 10 more points space police would have been bumped in favcur of Kadeshi
hate to say it but im happier this way |
Nkalv
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.14 09:42:00 - [ 102]
Originally by: the Whitenoise
i thought points wise Kad are 34, with ten more points i dont think they displace 32 but i dont know i havnt seen a points chart
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AjTVURCMvR8adGU5WnB1X09xNGN0N0YzeWt4Y3lHV2c&hl=en&output=html whitout the penalty they would of been ranked 28 |
Abrazzar |
Posted - 2010.06.14 09:55:00 - [ 103]
ITT: People jumping up and down, flapping with their arms and making crow noises. |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.14 09:56:00 - [ 104]
Originally by: Nkalv
Originally by: the Whitenoise
i thought points wise Kad are 34, with ten more points i dont think they displace 32 but i dont know i havnt seen a points chart
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AjTVURCMvR8adGU5WnB1X09xNGN0N0YzeWt4Y3lHV2c&hl=en&output=html
whitout the penalty they would of been ranked 28
How would they have ranked if the match had gone on and they had lost those last two ships? |
Nkalv
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.14 09:58:00 - [ 105]
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ThrashPower
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2010.06.14 10:41:00 - [ 106]
kinda unfair that the kadeshi team is penalized imo, rol cheated twice and received no penalties
we can assume both teams cheated deliberately also. |
CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance |
Posted - 2010.06.14 11:20:00 - [ 107]
Let's talk about what's really important here:
Who will be the first team to win with Lavens? |
Tertiacero
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.06.14 11:22:00 - [ 108]
Edited by: Tertiacero on 14/06/2010 11:24:39 Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Let's talk about what's really important here:
Who will be the first team to win with Lavens?
LazorRokhs are far superior imo. Edited for Linky |
the Whitenoise |
Posted - 2010.06.14 11:27:00 - [ 109]
yes any team that can win a match with lravens lasrohk's should get a special prize of a veldnaught of their choice |
Suki Starjet
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2010.06.14 13:45:00 - [ 110]
Originally by: Derwent
Originally by: CCP Claw
The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either.
Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup.
well, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
there, there |
Torquil Noble
Caldari
Eternal Profiteers |
Posted - 2010.06.14 14:41:00 - [ 111]
Originally by: CCP Claw
The Kadeshi fielded an illegal 101 point team.
Though it is unlikely the result of the match would have been affected by this 1 point, the tiebreak points easily could have been, so that Kadeshi have been penalised 10 points.
This is a shame, as I thought this match and the previous one between 'Agony Empire and Ushra'Khan' were the best two of the afternoon... although seeing your Erebus Titan show up was a treat... |
methodmo
Free Lapland
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Posted - 2010.06.14 15:20:00 - [ 112]
well seems our team made a f***up math wise,however the gm always inspects the setups before the match..they do that every year with all teams.if a setup has an illegal mod fitted it will be removed and if a setup is'nt correct pointwise 1 of the ships will be excluded.
in this case the gm aproved the setup before the match meaning u r cleared to play.
now since kadeshi got cut off with 9 minutes left and with aproval of a gm that aproved the fit..the 9 missing minutes have to be compensated..so either replay the match completely or remove the penalty the team got meaning kadeshi goes thrue to the next round....
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Dunkin McLoud |
Posted - 2010.06.14 15:35:00 - [ 113]
Originally by: methodmo
well seems our team made a f***up math wise,however the gm always inspects the setups before the match..they do that every year with all teams.if a setup has an illegal mod fitted it will be removed and if a setup is'nt correct pointwise 1 of the ships will be excluded.
in this case the gm aproved the setup before the match meaning u r cleared to play.
now since kadeshi got cut off with 9 minutes left and with aproval of a gm that aproved the fit..the 9 missing minutes have to be compensated..so either replay the match completely or remove the penalty the team got meaning kadeshi goes thrue to the next round....
Maybe your entire alliance should uninstall eve to show CCP how serious you are |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.06.14 15:46:00 - [ 114]
Originally by: the Whitenoise
ACtually yes with 10 more points space police would have been bumped in favcur of Kadeshi
hate to say it but im happier this way
actually space police are ranked below kadeshi at number 34 - you might be confused by leguinea romana advancing with 125 points due to their 2 wins |
the Whitenoise |
Posted - 2010.06.14 15:59:00 - [ 115]
yes the first spreadsheet link someone posted was fail with bad math on it, as that one had the Romanians waay down
i guess that table was how they wished the points were,
but yeah as to all this blah blah it was approved,
please stop kadesh its simple
1. The refs not catching you pre-match doesn't matter the rules don't say if we don't notice by X ah well roll on, the rules say break rules get penalty
2. The rules say Penalties are whatever Claw says they are,
as i said before if you want to campaign for standardized penalties in the future and clear rules for regulating the tournament fair do, submit it in the audience hall and make a non biased case, youll quite likely get my support not because i think Claw is biased or bribeable, but because it leaves things in one person's whim which can be subject to outside events, (if its a good or bad day for him)
as for now quiet child if you had got through odds are one of the ACTUALLY GOOD teams would have kicked your ass's seven ways to sunset in the first elimination stage
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Nkalv
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.06.14 16:09:00 - [ 116]
Originally by: the Whitenoise
yes the first spreadsheet link someone posted was fail with bad math on it, as that one had the Romanians waay down
No the spreadsheet posted was correct you just couldnt read it right. go back and check. |
Jieter |
Posted - 2010.06.14 17:06:00 - [ 117]
I think the point is that ROL would have done just as well with any other pilot in the matches, as where Kadeshi could they have gotten enough kills to still have put them through to the end with a ship missing? probably not and even if so they only got enough points to be qualified from getting kills in the game the fielded too many ships...
anyways im glad they let the ROL games go as well as kadeshis because they were good matches to watch oh well people are still advancing based off skill be it at space ships or math. |
sliver 0xD
exiles.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 17:16:00 - [ 118]
Edited by: sliver 0xD on 14/06/2010 17:22:39Edited by: sliver 0xD on 14/06/2010 17:17:16 Originally by: CCP Claw
The simple fact is that Dystopia demolished you and you had an extra point; you barely killed the ships you did as is, and you were not going to kill anything else (which is why the match was stopped). This is called adjudication. Honestly, you're lucky you got as many points as you did, as without that Taranis charge (if we'd removed a ship before the match) you probably wouldn't have had the Basilisk either.
Anyway, yes i should have spotted it before the match, but that doesnt excuse an illegal setup.
no it does not excuse the illegal setup. we deserve a full penelty. but the fact that u saw it to late made u panic and u made it a exelent excuse for a double penelty ? |
Andrea Griffin |
Posted - 2010.06.14 17:20:00 - [ 119]
Originally by: Tertiacero
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Let's talk about what's really important here: Who will be the first team to win with Lavens?
LazorRokhs are far superior imo.
I see your LazerRokh and raise you an Artygeddon. |
Derwent
Hysera.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 18:20:00 - [ 120]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Let's talk about what's really important here:
Who will be the first team to win with Lavens?
Stay on topic... |
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