| Author |
Topic |
Celia Therone |
Posted - 2010.06.14 02:32:00 - [ 961]
These appear to be working as before (npc seeded and re-stocking):
Consumer Electronics
Mechanical Parts
Planetary Vehicles
Water |
Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162 |
Posted - 2010.06.14 04:08:00 - [ 962]
most of the npc sell orders I checked were still up. rocket fuel appears(?) to be gone, but that was the only one I personally saw that was removed. |
Sister Tanya |
Posted - 2010.06.14 13:32:00 - [ 963]
NPC buy orders are the ones that disappear after you buy them until next DT. I have tested this in many station, and can confirm this happens.
Sell orders on the other hand, some NPC sell them and restock immediately (19k something) and others don't, so you need to find a station where the restock occurs, if you wish to buy more then the stocks they have. |
Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
|
Posted - 2010.06.14 14:10:00 - [ 964]
Love how ccp ninja removes the npc orders for rocket fuel.Only 5 player sell orders in lonetrek for those.Looks like rf has been hit wonder whos next  |
JitaPriceChecker2 |
Posted - 2010.06.14 14:57:00 - [ 965]
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 14/06/2010 14:58:25 Originally by: Grozen
Love how ccp ninja removes the npc orders for rocket fuel.Only 5 player sell orders in lonetrek for those.Looks like rf has been hit wonder whos next
Finally CCP is getting out of their lazy ases. CCP how about removing some of the pos modules , that can be build right now. |
General Bezelbub
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.06.15 02:24:00 - [ 966]
I am not sure if it has been mentioned yet. But the NPC order staying in so long, as lead to an interesting change in planet desirability. Plasma and lava are pretty much worthless for the forseeable future, even though prior to batch I would have called them the most wanted.
Plus, with there only be a few P0 resource that are needed to be extracted, it will be interesting to see how fast those markets become saturated.
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Felix DeGato |
Posted - 2010.06.15 21:51:00 - [ 967]
Ok, So let me chime in here for a second. The numbers in this Robotics game dont make any sense. Robotics of course require 10 units of Consumer Electronics and 10 units of Mechanical Parts. The NPC sell orders for these items average as follows; Consumer Electronics / 212.00 isk per unit Mechanical Parts / 615.00 isk per unit. 212.00 x 10 = 2,120.00 isk 615.00 x 10 = 6,150.00 isk 2,120 + 6,150 = 8,270.00 isk So you take a product that took you 8,270 isk to produce, not including the infrastructure.. and you sell it to an NPC buy order that are on average 6,000.00 isk......... WTH? The only was to make the 4k profit you mentioned would be by acquiring the P2's at a 70% discount on the numbers I mentioned or by finding Robotics buy orders at twice the price... Something rotten in Denver?  |
Jason Babbage |
Posted - 2010.06.15 21:56:00 - [ 968]
Edited by: Jason Babbage on 15/06/2010 21:57:36 Originally by: Felix DeGato
Ok, So let me chime in here for a second.
The numbers in this Robotics game dont make any sense.
Robotics of course require 10 units of Consumer Electronics and 10 units of Mechanical Parts.
The NPC sell orders for these items average as follows;
Consumer Electronics / 212.00 isk per unit
Mechanical Parts / 615.00 isk per unit.
212.00 x 10 = 2,120.00 isk
615.00 x 10 = 6,150.00 isk
2,120 + 6,150 = 8,270.00 isk
So you take a product that took you 8,270 isk to produce, not including the infrastructure.. and you sell it to an NPC buy order that are on average 6,000.00 isk......... WTH?
The only was to make the 4k profit you mentioned would be by acquiring the P2's at a 70% discount on the numbers I mentioned or by finding Robotics buy orders at twice the price... Something rotten in Denver?
10 Units of Consumer Electronics + 10 units of Mechanical Parts = 3 units of Robotics. So to use your numbers it takes 8,270 ISK to make 18,000 ISK. Which is why there are robot factories in New Eden as far as the eye can see. |
Felix DeGato |
Posted - 2010.06.15 21:59:00 - [ 969]
Crap... never mind. I completely forgot about the output... 3 units of Robotics, not 1....  Well hell, game on! ( and this is why I post with an Alt) |
Dzajic
Gallente
|
Posted - 2010.06.15 22:01:00 - [ 970]
Well there is the 600 ISK/unit export price. And the fact that if you are 5 minutes to slow after DT you won't see a single NPC buy order on robotics in a huge number of regions. |
NorthEasterly |
Posted - 2010.06.15 23:20:00 - [ 971]
From 1 day of 1 robotics farm:
3.5mil in P2 products
.8mil in EXPORT fees (I forgot to write down import!)
=4.3-5.0mil cost per day
9.2mil in Robotics selling (7k/unit)
=4.2-5mil PROFIT per day, for 1 planet, at optimal price (most robotics buy orders are at 6300).
Takes 3 days to recoup initial 9.5mil start up (improved CC)
The profits are far from amazing, don't get too caught up. |
Jason Babbage |
Posted - 2010.06.16 02:48:00 - [ 972]
Originally by: NorthEasterly
From 1 day of 1 robotics farm:
3.5mil in P2 products
.8mil in EXPORT fees (I forgot to write down import!)
=4.3-5.0mil cost per day
9.2mil in Robotics selling (7k/unit)
=4.2-5mil PROFIT per day, for 1 planet, at optimal price (most robotics buy orders are at 6300).
Takes 3 days to recoup initial 9.5mil start up (improved CC)
The profits are far from amazing, don't get too caught up.
150 million ISK per month for the minimal effort of operating one planet is pretty good money to some of us newer players. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2010.06.16 03:14:00 - [ 973]
Edited by: Akita T on 16/06/2010 03:18:18And as soon as the NPC buy orders are gone for good, it's an almost guaranteed price drop of robotics to 4k per unit or thereabouts for a pretty long time (probably even barely 3k for a while) Originally by: Jason Babbage
150 million ISK per month for the minimal effort of operating one planet is pretty good money to some of us newer players.
Bingo. And it doesn't even take more than a couple of days to be able to operate 4 of them on a freshly created character, for ~600 mil per month total, or ~1.8 bil/month if you do it on all 3 characters on an account. For as long as this remains possible to do, you'd be almost crazy NOT to do it if you're a newer player. Just make sure you're not holding a hot potato when things break down. Not if, WHEN. |
General Bezelbub
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.06.16 05:13:00 - [ 974]
Checking the high-sec regions, I looks like around 10-14bil isk a day is being added into the game, by the robotics manufacture scheme. Assuming that a large number of the robotics transactions are from creation. But then again, thats only a few 1000 planets doing it.
Assuming people have even a few days supply of CE and MP on hand to produce their robotics, when CCP removes the buy orders, things will get interesting. Glad I sold all my robotics at 7.2K a unit.
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Abrazzar |
Posted - 2010.06.16 06:54:00 - [ 975]
Considering that there is a duping bug around that could theoretically allow a person to create some 5000 P4 items per day with one character and 5 planets, PI is bound to be pretty low profit for a while unless they remove duped items created by big abusers. |
Dolgozo Lany |
Posted - 2010.06.16 09:08:00 - [ 976]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Considering that there is a duping bug around that could theoretically allow a person to create some 5000 P4 items per day with one character and 5 planets, PI is bound to be pretty low profit for a while unless they remove duped items created by big abusers.
Would you like to elaborate your statement? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet |
Posted - 2010.06.16 09:13:00 - [ 977]
Originally by: Dolgozo Lany
Originally by: Abrazzar
Considering that there is a duping bug around that could theoretically allow a person to create some 5000 P4 items per day with one character and 5 planets, PI is bound to be pretty low profit for a while unless they remove duped items created by big abusers.
Would you like to elaborate your statement?
He found a way to dupe items with PI, reproduced it and bug reported it. Hopefully it doesn't take years for this hole to be patched up. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2010.06.16 10:55:00 - [ 978]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Considering that there is a duping bug around that could theoretically allow a person to create some 5000 P4 items per day with one character and 5 planets, PI is bound to be pretty low profit for a while unless they remove duped items created by big abusers.
If that is an accurate statement... ouch. Well, at least, EULA-wise, you're supposed to bugreport it if you find any duping-like behaviour, so whoever exploited like mad without bugreporting it is in for a nasty wakeup when caught (or, maybe, if caught). |
Qoi
Exert Force |
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:00:00 - [ 979]
Edited by: Qoi on 16/06/2010 11:00:00 Originally by: Abrazzar
Considering that there is a duping bug around that could theoretically allow a person to create some 5000 P4 items per day with one character and 5 planets, PI is bound to be pretty low profit for a while unless they remove duped items created by big abusers.
Sounds familiar |
Star Chief |
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:03:00 - [ 980]
Akita, start a new thread already. Please. |
Steve Celeste
Overdogs
|
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:24:00 - [ 981]
Link to the bugreport so others can exploi... errrr reproduce it? |
Abrazzar |
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:38:00 - [ 982]
Edited by: Abrazzar on 16/06/2010 11:38:36
It is bug reported and already processed as 'we know and added your input to it'.
I did some thorough research on it. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:39:00 - [ 983]
Originally by: Star Chief
Akita, start a new thread already. Please.
Why ? |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
|
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:40:00 - [ 984]
CCP appears to be doing something to TQ while we can't get on. Make of that what you will. |
RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement |
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:00:00 - [ 985]
NPC orders gone |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
|
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:04:00 - [ 986]
Originally by: RaTTuS
NPC orders gone
confirming, NPC orders all gone in Domain. |
JitaAlt 394453 |
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:10:00 - [ 987]
Orders gone in Lonetrek. |
TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:14:00 - [ 988]
Buh-bye npc orders. Now lets see if P.I shapes up. |
Abrazzar |
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:17:00 - [ 989]
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Buh-bye npc orders. Now lets see if P.I shapes up.
Well, robotics won't be worth all that much, when I have to look at a 140k unit sell order... |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
|
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:34:00 - [ 990]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Buh-bye npc orders. Now lets see if P.I shapes up.
Well, robotics won't be worth all that much, when I have to look at a 140k unit sell order...
For as long as people keep losing T2 drones, Robotics will slowly become worth it again. |
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