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Topic |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain |
Posted - 2010.05.10 12:45:00 - [ 1]
I have been watching the CSM closely and I have noticed that the CSM aren't any better than real politicians.
It starts with the candidates introducing themselves and their idea's and such. This is before the voting is open.
Then just barely before the votings open the real politics come into play.
It's not about the politician's strongpoints anymore. It's about throwing as much mud as possible on other politicians. So much easier to blacken others than highlighting your own strongpoints.
Offcourse in the meanwhile in their following they scream and shout to make their blackballing more vocal and hence the puppets pop up and pick up the slack to slander even more. Et voila a real campaign is born.
Thing that actually worries me most is the real chance we get some little Berlusconi in the CSM for a long long time because we have enough voters who have a hard time looking further than their own personal playstyle and even more voters who won't even vote.
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Stevakis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 13:10:00 - [ 2]
Its pretty disgusting. I think that all this mudthrowing makes the CSM lose credit from a lot of players. It is more and more about egos and less about actually serving the people that elected them. The CSM must work together. With all this insulting and mud being thrown between candidates, I fear that cooperation will be thrown out of the window at some point and the CSM just turns in a bunch of whiners flailing at eachother. Is the mudthrowing just election drama, and will the CSM just laugh about it and get to work after the elections? CSM1 was horribly ineffective due to all the drama and infighting and I don't want to see a repeat of this. Whenether you agree with another candidate or not, deal with it and treat eachother with respect! |
Dee Tearant |
Posted - 2010.05.10 14:27:00 - [ 3]
When does questioning candidates statements suddenly turn into mud slinging or trolling? When the candidate cant wriggle out of it I guess  |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain |
Posted - 2010.05.10 14:48:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Dee Tearant
When does questioning candidates statements suddenly turn into mud slinging or trolling?
When the candidate cant wriggle out of it I guess
Questioning is one thing, but the slander and smearing that goes on in several threads just clearly shows we have more to do with Emo-Queens than people who actually want to help better the game for everyone. People more busy with obtaining the seat and at all cost stay in it rather than doing what they are supposed to do. |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente |
Posted - 2010.05.10 15:22:00 - [ 5]
Originally by: Dee Tearant
When does questioning candidates statements suddenly turn into mud slinging or trolling?
When you aren't interested in the answer and just ask the question to put the candidate in bad light. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate |
Posted - 2010.05.10 20:23:00 - [ 6]
I don't understand why people hate negative campaigning so much. Yeah, it can go too far, but there is a valid role for it. Informed voters are a good thing, and it's not like a politician is going to inform you of their weaknesses. The only people who have any reason to do that are opponents of that candidate. Not all attacks are accurate, but then again, not all self-promotion is accurate either. Just look at Ankh's thread for many examples of both. |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain |
Posted - 2010.05.10 20:36:00 - [ 7]
Negative campainging usually happens when people run short of pressing their strong points forward.
It's a clear showing of weakness if your only validation is by distracting away from them by pushing forward other people's weaknesses.
Someone representing others should win on own merits and not in smearing oppositions, I know it's a Utopia to think so, specially nowadays where the loudmouth attract more following than the one who tries to get ahead on his own merits.
Discussions on real life politics are not allowed.Applebabe
Might there be hope for mankind afterall?
Mankind perhaps, EVEkind I am less hopefull for.
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
General Tso's Alliance |
Posted - 2010.05.10 23:09:00 - [ 8]
I do absolutely no mud throwing, but I will pay 250M per vote. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate |
Posted - 2010.05.10 23:10:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Negative campainging usually happens when people run short of pressing their strong points forward.
It's a clear showing of weakness if your only validation is by distracting away from them by pushing forward other people's weaknesses.
Someone representing others should win on own merits and not in smearing oppositions, I know it's a Utopia to think so, specially nowadays where the loudmouth attract more following than the one who tries to get ahead on his own merits.
Yet Obama won by merits and not participating in the old smearing tactics used for ages.
Might there be hope for mankind afterall?
Mankind perhaps, EVEkind I am less hopefull for.
Or perhaps it just shows that you're running against someone who has flaws. Perhaps even flaws that voters ought to know about. But I suppose it's more important to act nice in a competitive election than it is to have an informed voter pool. |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain |
Posted - 2010.05.10 23:44:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Or perhaps it just shows that you're running against someone who has flaws. Perhaps even flaws that voters ought to know about. But I suppose it's more important to act nice in a competitive election than it is to have an informed voter pool.
Anyone who doesn't have the points to win on merits but only by pointing to other people's flaws doesn't have much of an agenda then. |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.05.11 01:05:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Someone representing others should win on own merits and not in smearing oppositions, I know it's a Utopia to think so, specially nowadays where the loudmouth attract more following than the one who tries to get ahead on his own merits.
Then vote for the person that doesn't smear. It's not so much an issue with politics, it's with the voters. Noise and smear is what most people respond to, that's why politicians use it to get elected. If voters didn't lap it up, then politics wouldn't use it. Cure the cause, not the symptom. Good luck curing the inherent stupidity of people though. Discussion on real life politics are not allowed.Applebabe |
Francais Tempest
Gallente
White Knights Imperius |
Posted - 2010.05.11 02:04:00 - [ 12]
I find it funny that most of the "mudslinging" is not by the candidates. Well, unless they each have hundreds of alts... |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate |
Posted - 2010.05.11 03:37:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Or perhaps it just shows that you're running against someone who has flaws. Perhaps even flaws that voters ought to know about. But I suppose it's more important to act nice in a competitive election than it is to have an informed voter pool.
Anyone who doesn't have the points to win on merits but only by pointing to other people's flaws doesn't have much of an agenda then.
There's what, 53 candidates? So let's say you run a really awesome smear campaign and mudsling 43 of them completely out of the race, leaving 10 behind. Well, the other 9 have been campaigning and you've just been smearing. So you'll still lose. Negative campaigning is effective, but it's not enough. Of course you need to stand for something. Of course you need to promote yourself. Even in the US, with a strongly two-party system(aka, one where reducing an opponent's votes is just as good as increasing your own), there's still plenty of positive campaigning. But people like complaining about attack ads anyways. |
T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.05.11 06:30:00 - [ 14]
Not all candidates have been mudslinging. Other than that, what Herschel said.  -T'amber |
Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies |
Posted - 2010.05.11 07:12:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Manalapan
I do absolutely no mud throwing, but I will pay 250M per vote.
I haven't been doing any mud slinging. I do pay one kitten per vote. Fresh or roasted, your choice... |
Penny Pancakes |
Posted - 2010.05.11 10:25:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
I have been watching the CSM closely and I have noticed that the CSM aren't any better than real politicians.
It starts with the candidates introducing themselves and their idea's and such. This is before the voting is open.
Then just barely before the votings open the real politics come into play.
It's not about the politician's strongpoints anymore. It's about throwing as much mud as possible on other politicians. So much easier to blacken others than highlighting your own strongpoints.
Offcourse in the meanwhile in their following they scream and shout to make their blackballing more vocal and hence the puppets pop up and pick up the slack to slander even more. Et voila a real campaign is born.
Thing that actually worries me most is the real chance we get some little Berlusconi in the CSM for a long long time because we have enough voters who have a hard time looking further than their own personal playstyle and even more voters who won't even vote.
Congratulations and welcome the world beyond your screen. You finally understood the concept of politics, politicians, votes, voters, mudslingers and so on everywhere. You're telling things that are known and discussed for decades since democracy was invented. Want a medal now? |
AterraX
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.05.11 10:27:00 - [ 17]
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Caoim Fearghul
Caldari
The First Church of the Azure Carrot
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Posted - 2010.05.11 12:29:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dee Tearant
When does questioning candidates statements suddenly turn into mud slinging or trolling?
When you aren't interested in the answer and just ask the question to put the candidate in bad light.
What about when you're posting interactions directly with the candidate that show them as unstable, unsuitable and downright unsociable? I mean surely people ought to know who it is that wants to represent them? Discussions on real life politics are not allowed.Applebabe |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain |
Posted - 2010.05.11 13:53:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Penny Pancakes
Congratulations and welcome the world beyond your screen. You finally understood the concept of politics, politicians, votes, voters, mudslingers and so on everywhere. You're telling things that are known and discussed for decades since democracy was invented.
Want a medal now?
I atleast see the difference between you and me then. Other than you I don't feel the need to accept politics and politicians needeng to be like that. And no, keep the medal, I wouldn't want you to part with one of your's, they don't suit me anyways. |
Francais Tempest
Gallente
White Knights Imperius |
Posted - 2010.05.11 14:00:00 - [ 20]
Quote:
Other than you I don't feel the need to accept politics and politicians needeng to be like that.
Doesn't matter whether you accept it or not, its there. Some people don't accept the concept of gravity, doesn't change anything. |
Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain |
Posted - 2010.05.11 18:02:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Francais Tempest
Doesn't matter whether you accept it or not, its there.
Some people don't accept the concept of gravity, doesn't change anything.
Gravity isn't something you can change by acceptance or rejecting. The way people respond towards eachother is merely a matter of choice. Maybe you will see the difference one day. |
Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective |
Posted - 2010.05.11 18:04:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
In fact, it's just a drop of oil in the ocean. The slanderers and mudflingers are focusing solely on that bad drop, and pretending there is a Deepwater Horizon spill going on.
A turd in a punch bowl is still a turd in th epunch bowl. No matter how big the bowl or how samll the turd. |
Francais Tempest
Gallente
White Knights Imperius |
Posted - 2010.05.11 23:58:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Francais Tempest
Doesn't matter whether you accept it or not, its there.
Some people don't accept the concept of gravity, doesn't change anything.
Gravity isn't something you can change by acceptance or rejecting.
The way people respond towards eachother is merely a matter of choice.
Maybe you will see the difference one day.
I know the difference. But expecting people to change their choice without a reason is just like expecting gravity to go away. Foolishness. Until there is a reason for the "mudslinging" in politics to go away (such as fines or somesuch) it will remain as a popular method of trying to win / make opponent lose. |
Skye Aurorae |
Posted - 2010.05.12 20:16:00 - [ 24]
Mud slinging is so CSM4, I'm waiting for a candidate to get desperate enough to threaten to sue people in the name of their own power mad quest for CSM power. |
CCP Applebabe
 |
Posted - 2010.05.18 07:52:00 - [ 25]
Thread has been cleaned up.
Please refrain from discussing real life politics and post in a civil manner.
Thank you. |
mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.05.18 09:40:00 - [ 26]
Edited by: mazzilliu on 18/05/2010 09:40:46
i lool at the csm candiates who are going to start **** with other csm candidates before the voting ends. then they have to work with each other in real life and its going to be awwwwwkwaaard
i also throw mud at ccp apple babe for attempting to clean up such a thread as this |
Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io |
Posted - 2010.05.18 10:37:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Skye Aurorae
Mud slinging is so CSM4, I'm waiting for a candidate to get desperate enough to threaten to sue people in the name of their own power mad quest for CSM power.
Already happend |
FatFreddy
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.18 10:43:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Penny Pancakes
Want a medal now?
I really would like a pancake. |
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