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 Volucer S Noob Fight Club Reckless Chavs |
Posted - 2010.04.23 19:49:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Volucer S on 23/04/2010 20:01:22Post [1/2]Greetings, dear EVE Online players and developers!We would like to create a topic about mysterious and very successful endeavors performed by a player named The Monkeysphere and a couple of his alts in Eve Online. Those events eventually lead to a public outcry and investigation on the most polular Russian EVE community forum at www.eve-ru.com We would also like to raise an issue about a general use of exploits and tampering with client side of the game. To CCP staff:With our utmost respect for the developers, we ask you to take a note, that in the first three days of that topic appearing on Russian EVE forum, the thread got over 1000 replies. At the moment that thread got over 2000 replies and the entire Russian EVE community is in an uproar. The alleged exploiter, The Monkeysphere, registered and posted on the Russian forums ( http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showuser=25746), claiming that he was doing it to combat macrobot users. However, it seems that lately he got tired of killing macrobots and started to kill regular players, who brought it up to the Russian Eve Community. Our preliminary figures state that The Monkeysphere was petitioned over 30 times, however, GMs claimed that "their logs showed nothing." We are not making any conclusions about The Monkeysphere allegedly using exploits, the only one who can confirm or deny that is the CCP team. Nevertheless, we can say for sure that there definitely is an issue, and it should be resolved. Unfortunately, the situation got more complicated. From the very start of the public outcry, Monkeysphere immediately ceazed his "pvp" activity, which raises some additional suspicions about the methods he was using. Those who may doubt that The Monkeysphere is unusually successful at ganking ratting ships - just take a look at his killboard. According to the figures, he was the most accomplished ganker in EVE during the last year. Nobody in the entire game can compare to him in the number of ratting battleships destroyed during that time. http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&pl...&view=killsDescribed below are several signature characteristics of the methods that he uses: Appearance in local channel: Lately, we received a multitude of different reports written by players from various corporations and alliances about an unusual gang, which moves through 0.0 sec. Most of the reports describe very similar occurrences, which could be summed up into a report about The Monkeysphere abuse: 1) Victim didn’t see anybody in local chat before he was scrambled by Arazu (Goose Hypocrisy) It looks like this. When the player detects neutral in local chat – he immediately warps to POS. But by this moment he discovers , that Arazu is already near, scrambling him. It takes just 10 seconds (showing up of neutral in local, warp to POS, detection that Arazu is already nearby)! 2) In most cases, when the victim was sure, that something is going wrong – there was a distance to nearest gates that, Arazu takes at least 1 minute to reach. For regular Arazu it takes approximately 45 seconds to travel 1 AU (acceleration, acceleration in warp, braking in warp). But there where cases, when victims claimed that there were over 40 AU to the nearest gate. Even for warpspeed rigged Arazu it take 50-55 seconds to travel this distance. And now the most important! It requires to guess where the victim is from the very first time to remain concealed for 50-55 seconds and tackle the ship ! The third paragraph is about it. |
 Xtover Suicide Kings |
Posted - 2010.04.23 19:52:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Xtover on 23/04/2010 19:53:15 you write "siezed" his activity, you mean "ceased"
you also changes the claims that they went to warp to a POS, originally and in the thread they say they attempted to warp to a SS and log... which is standard macro behavior. |
 Dianeces Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.04.23 19:53:00 - [ 3]
We needed another thread about this.
No really, the four or five we have now isn't enough.
Keep posting. |
 Volucer S Noob Fight Club Reckless Chavs |
Posted - 2010.04.23 19:55:00 - [ 4]
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 Missy Miner85 |
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:02:00 - [ 5]
Quote: We are not making any conclusions about The Monkeysphere allegedly using exploits, the only one who can confirm or deny that is the CCP team.
P.S. In our investigation at eve-ru.com, we discovered an exploit that The Monkeysphere have used.
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 Ghoest |
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:07:00 - [ 6]
So are you blaming Russians? |
 Bobbechk North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:08:00 - [ 7]
i almost feel i read this before
hmm |
 TII Noob Minmatar Vodka Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:08:00 - [ 8]
what happend to the ban first think later mentality from ccp :P |
 Whiny McEmokid |
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:14:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Volucer S It's a Monkey Magic!
It'sa me, Mario |
 Arthur Frayn Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:16:00 - [ 10]
Watched the youtube vid. All I see is a guy ratting alone in local, then some other guy logging back in and auto-warping to the spot where he logged off near the ratter. Fail.  |
 TII Noob Minmatar Vodka Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:27:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Watched the youtube vid. All I see is a guy ratting alone in local, then some other guy logging back in and auto-warping to the spot where he logged off near the ratter. Fail. 
grats on being blind |
 Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups |
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:30:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 23/04/2010 20:30:41
We are playing a game where logging on and off repeatedly as a method of avoiding pvp is not considered cheating by CCP |
 keymaker Xenophon Core
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:33:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Watched the youtube vid. All I see is a guy ratting alone in local, then some other guy logging back in and auto-warping to the spot where he logged off near the ratter. Fail. 
Fail. you can clearly see him logged in on another chat channel... |
 Pheusia Gallente The Initiative. |
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:33:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Volucer S Hypocrisy) It looks like this. When the player detects neutral in local chat – he immediately warps to POS. But by this moment he discovers , that Arazu is already near, scrambling him. It takes just 10 seconds (showing up of neutral in local, warp to POS, detection that Arazu is already nearby)!
"Player". Right  |
 Ranger 1 Amarr Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:39:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 23/04/2010 21:10:53 No, in the video the player in question is clearly in the system and yet does not show up in local... until he wishes to.
Whatever his motives, that is a problem that needs to be corrected.
So is the prevelance of ratting bots, but that is another issue. |
 Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas |
Posted - 2010.04.23 21:26:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Ranger 1 So is the prevelance of ratting bots, but that is another issue.
Nope. That's the EXACT SAME ISSUEfrom another viewpoint. Remove Local. Solve Problems. |
 Ranger 1 Amarr Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:32:00 - [ 17]
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 Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas |
Posted - 2010.04.23 21:37:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 23/04/2010 21:32:34
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Ranger 1 So is the prevelance of ratting bots, but that is another issue.
Nope.
That's the EXACT SAME ISSUE from another viewpoint.
Remove Local. Solve Problems.

Yeah, I'm just going to remove myself from any discussion on this one. I don't have time to sort through the threadnaught and evidence to make an informed opinion. 
Let me know how this one turns out.
Turns out local is the only problem here. |
 Ghoest |
Posted - 2010.04.23 21:40:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Remove Local. Solve Problems.
1 Remove local 2 0.0 and low sec become suicide for anything other than zerg 3 Players quit in droves Oh You must be the dumb @$$ |
 Davader |
Posted - 2010.04.23 22:33:00 - [ 20]
Excellent post. Evidenses are collected, an exploit itself is described, links to the killboard also are there. Let's hope, CCP already is working on solution of this issue... |
 Vovick Minmatar Heads or Tails
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:55:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Arthur Frayn Watched the youtube vid. All I see is a guy ratting alone in local, then some other guy logging back in and auto-warping to the spot where he logged off near the ratter. Fail. 
Cure your eyes and turn on your brains! Guys talks all time during video. How it can be that Huhuhu talks in chat and logged off simulationaly? You fail. |
 small chimp |
Posted - 2010.04.24 01:02:00 - [ 22]
So russian community generally accepts botting? |
 Marko Riva |
Posted - 2010.04.24 01:16:00 - [ 23]
Damn, the macros have become sentient, they start posting on forums now. |
 Cappin Walka |
Posted - 2010.04.24 02:19:00 - [ 24]
CCP , Please save the macro botters! |
 Mr Kidd |
Posted - 2010.04.24 02:31:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: small chimp So russian community generally accepts botting?
Do you support exploits? Whether the bot community is bringing this to light or legitimate players, what does it matter if the claims about the exploit are substantiated? |
 Deus Ex'Machina Amarr modro R.A.G.E |
Posted - 2010.04.24 04:21:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Remove Local. Solve Problems.
Half correct, it should be: Remove Local and Combat Probes and Directional Scanner. Solve Problems. |
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 C C P C C P Alliance |
Posted - 2010.04.24 09:10:00 - [ 27]
We do not need multiple threads on the same subject. The issue is already discussed in this thread. CCP Wrangler has already advised the community that the situation is under investigation. Locked. |