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lookatzebirdie |
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:29:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 23/04/2010 17:30:02That CCP should concentrate on fixing what's broken in EvE first and release new content after. Considering the vast quantity of stuff that needs fixing (0.0 lagfest, FW, rockets, gallente, AFs etc) the recent revelations of an exploit that could be game breaking should enough ppl figure it out and make use of it and the concurrent "lol(not)revelation" that macroers still farm isk with impunity suggest that CCP is getting waaaay ahead of themselves and needs to fix what we have rather than introducing more content that, by the look of it will instantly join the list of stuff that needs fixing (yes I mean join ze dots Planetary Interaction. Not that I don't appreciate new content or understand why it is necessary to keep the subs coming in etc etc, but there is a limit to how far you can let the existing game fall into disrepair ...CCP you need to get your eye back on the ball and realize that the state of the existing content has become much more of an issue than adding new stuff. PLS get your priorities straightened out  |
Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:33:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 23/04/2010 17:33:52
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 23/04/2010 17:33:17
They will argue that the 2 aren't related. People developing new stuff aren't bug-fixers.
It's like the cops, people argue about traffic cops ticketing us for anal stuff, whilst the real criminals are running around willy-nilly. 1 is unrelated to the other.
Edit - it's good to see the word "anal" isn't censored any more, iirc it was. |
S'qarpium D'igil |
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:34:00 - [ 3]
Oh look, it's this post again...  CCP doesn't care what you(we) think, they will keep releasing new content and expanding the game until their servers implode and they can finally move on to just running DUST as their main source of income. |
lookatzebirdie |
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:38:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Gunnanmon
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 23/04/2010 17:33:52
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 23/04/2010 17:33:17
They will argue that the 2 aren't related. People developing new stuff aren't bug-fixers.
It's like the cops, people argue about traffic cops ticketing us for anal stuff, whilst the real criminals are running around willy-nilly. 1 is unrelated to the other.
Edit - it's good to see the word "anal" isn't censored any more, iirc it was.
Then I would argue that their bugfixing dept is currently understaffed seeing as how they can't seem to keep up with the rate at which the dev team comes up with new content. TBH a lot of issues would still fall under the dev team's remit anyway as they are "poor gameplay" issues rather than bugs. |
Phosphorus Palladium |
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:43:00 - [ 5]
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!2!2!!!! FIXY FIXY BUGLY UGLY!! ARRRRRRRRRRR!!!1!  |
Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation |
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:46:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 23/04/2010 17:47:50 Originally by: Gunnanmon
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 23/04/2010 17:33:52
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 23/04/2010 17:33:17
They will argue that the 2 aren't related. People developing new stuff aren't bug-fixers.
It's like the cops, people argue about traffic cops ticketing us for anal stuff, whilst the real criminals are running around willy-nilly. 1 is unrelated to the other.
Edit - it's good to see the word "anal" isn't censored any more, iirc it was.
Actually when I took Defensive driving recently they had some interesting statistics on the cops spending more time on handing out traffic tickets. Turns out that far more people die or are injured and far more property destroyed in traffic related incidents than through violent crime. So it actually makes sense to spend more efforts and money on enforcing traffic laws. oh and too be on topic a little. Exactly what "new" content came out in Dominion anyway? Seems like the entire expansion was primarily directed at trying to "fix" existing SOV mechanics. |
CCP Manifest
C C P |
Posted - 2010.04.23 18:18:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Oh look, it's this post again...
CCP doesn't care what you(we) think, they will keep releasing new content and expanding the game until their servers implode and they can finally move on to just running DUST as their main source of income.
Imploding servers are not a part of our business model. Just wanted to clarify that... |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:27:00 - [ 8]
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lookatzebirdie |
Posted - 2010.04.24 04:55:00 - [ 9]
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 04:57:03 Originally by: Skex Relbore
oh and too be on topic a little. Exactly what "new" content came out in Dominion anyway? Seems like the entire expansion was primarily directed at trying to "fix" existing SOV mechanics.
More of a complete redesign than a fix really, supposedly to open the door for smaller entities to claim their piece of sov....well that really worked. On top of that it introduced more problems than it solved vis a vis....UBER LAG. However I see what you were getting at and agree to an extent it was an attempt to "freshen up" a stale formula for sov warfare. Point taken. Yet I still say that CCP are letting existing content slide into disrepair in favor of prioritizing new stuff, which ultimately may be destined for the same treatment in coming expansions as other shiny new stuff takes priority. What's the point in introducing PI if (as CCP's track record would imply) it is destined to become another FW ... ignored/unfinished/broken. I've never really got involved in this issue before but I just feel that this no local exploit is a sign that things may be getting slightly out of hand atm EDIT : Zeba I agree that a yearly content update and bugfix schedule would be great idea. |
Ban Doga |
Posted - 2010.04.24 06:01:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 04:57:03
EDIT : Zeba I agree that a yearly content update and bugfix schedule would be great idea.
"CCP is currently focused on making EVE better and improving old game systems. Torfi suggested that expansions tend to alternate between introducing new game systems and improving something that's already in-game." http://www.massively.com/2010/03/14/gdc10-torfi-frans-olafsson-gives-details-on-tyrannis-incarna-a/Obviously CCP is already doing that, so everything must be great already... |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:06:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Ban Doga
Obviously CCP is already doing that, so everything must be great already...
I wouldn't hold a breath for highlighted part. |
Ban Doga |
Posted - 2010.04.24 06:11:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Ban Doga
Obviously CCP is already doing that, so everything must be great already...
I wouldn't hold a breath for highlighted part.
Torfi said it himself!! In an interview!! On the interwebz!! So it must be true!!!1!!1one! |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente |
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:29:00 - [ 13]
Been saying that to CCP ever since I've been on the CSM, it seems that while the average CCP employee agrees, the fat managers at the top whip them up for more and more deliverables (expansions) which they can market.
Not surprising, because the average EVE player only lasts 6 months, and making him wait up for the next expansion brings in a few extra months of revenue. |
Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas |
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:32:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Oh look, it's this post again...
CCP doesn't care what you(we) think, they will keep releasing new content and expanding the game until their servers implode and they can finally move on to just running DUST as their main source of income.
Imploding servers are not a part of our business model. Just wanted to clarify that...
:( But i like physics! |
fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm |
Posted - 2010.04.24 08:59:00 - [ 15]
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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2010.04.24 09:10:00 - [ 16]
I wouldnt mind going over to a single big shiny expansion once a year (say the spring release) and devote several teams to doing all the work. But keep the winter expansion and do all the little improvements, fixes and mini expansions there.
But seriously we wont mind if you skip one big expansion and just fix all the broken or out of date stuff and get some of the orgasmically shiny features that you have promised in the past but the plans have since been turned into the latest bedding for the hamsters (if you need new bedding we could do a plex-for-bedding drive). |
Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp. |
Posted - 2010.04.24 10:35:00 - [ 17]
Good to see that the only blue bars we get on the forums are CCP staff talking crap and making jokes. We wouldn't want them to respond in an official capacity now, would we? |
Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:47:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Good to see that the only blue bars we get on the forums are CCP staff talking crap and making jokes.
We wouldn't want them to respond in an official capacity now, would we?
Good to see people with a giant stick up their rectal cavity open their noise-hole every time a CCP member shows a trace of personality on these forums. (No it isn't) |
Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil |
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:58:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Good to see that the only blue bars we get on the forums are CCP staff talking crap and making jokes.
We wouldn't want them to respond in an official capacity now, would we?
Good to see people with a giant stick up their rectal cavity open their noise-hole every time a CCP member shows a trace of personality on these forums.
(No it isn't)
It's not that they shouldn't be people on the forums, it's just that they hardly ever respond to actual issues. I'm glad that CCP does interact with us on the Forums, but it should also be true that they give us proper answers to real problems. |
GateScout |
Posted - 2010.04.24 15:37:00 - [ 20]
Edited by: GateScout on 24/04/2010 15:37:29 Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Good to see that the only blue bars we get on the forums are CCP staff talking crap and making jokes.
Based on the total crap in these forums, I'm surprised they come by at all. The signal to noise ratio on EVE-O forums hovers just above zero. CCP needs to bring in a legion of forum mods and start nuking anything that doesn't have some form of content. The amount of whining that goes on would drive anyone away. EDIT: and they should start with this thread. |
DigitalCommunist
November Corporation |
Posted - 2010.04.24 16:17:00 - [ 21]
So OP, how many bug reports have you submitted last week? |
SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises |
Posted - 2010.04.24 16:54:00 - [ 22]
And how many of the tests on sisi have you come to? |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:24:00 - [ 23]
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lookatzebirdie |
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:25:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 17:27:09 Originally by: DigitalCommunist
So OP, how many bug reports have you submitted last week?
none this week, have reported bugs as i have seen them beforehand ... point ? Originally by: SlayerOfArgus
And how many of the tests on sisi have you come to?
I work evening/night shifts including weekends which means I do not have the opportunity to do so, I would however if work permitted. Perhaps you think i should take time off from my paid job to do volunteer work for CCP to be allowed an opinion ? I have however had sometime on sisi to look at the new PI content, I found bugs and also found that so had everyone else found the same bugs already when I went to post in the feedback thread. I guess you two are trying to imply that if I felt like this, why haven't I already actively done something to assist in the issue ? Read a bit further than the OP ... Originally by: lookatzebirdie
I've never really got involved in this issue before but I just feel that this no local exploit is a sign that things may be getting slightly out of hand atm
This is the FIRST TIME I have felt this is beginning to become an issue so please get off your high horses the pair of you, my main issue is the fact that a no local exploit has been in existence for god knows how long and who knows who has been using it to their advantage... THIS combined with the other things mentioned in the OP was the factor the made me feel CCP are perhaps letting existing content slide a bit and THIS (teh exploit) has only just come to light. |
lookatzebirdie |
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:32:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Zeba
I'm not talking about switching around 6 month dev cycles. I'm talking about turning them into year long dev cycles. Obviously the devs who are churing out the new content are not the same ones doing bugfixes or the ones who would go over already existing content and make it worth playing again. You could easily have two expansions a year and still let the specific devs have an entire year to do their thing instead of the 4~6 month rat race to get it out the door ready or not. And as I have stated in other threads like this when 'old content' is made fresh again it easily counts as 'new content' so in effect you would still end up getting two 'new' content expansions per year.
What is it about that that ppl find so hard to understand ? 2 teams, year long cycles, 2 expansions. I'll say it again, I very much like this idea |
Zions Child
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:42:00 - [ 26]
[begin giant sarcasm rant of doom]
I LOVE HOW CCP HAS OBVIOUSLY STATED THAT TYRANNIS WILL HAVE NO BUG FIXING IN IT AT ALL! YOU KNOW, PI IS SOOOOO HUGE THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING ON THE LAG ISSUE AT ALL. ONLY ONE THING IN TYRANNIS, PI. ALSO, STUFF ON SISI IS WHAT IT WILL BE ON TQ COME EXPANSION. DEFINITELY.
[/giant sarcasm rant of doom] |
lookatzebirdie |
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:48:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 17:48:37 Originally by: Zions Child
[begin giant sarcasm rant of doom]
I LOVE HOW CCP HAS OBVIOUSLY STATED THAT TYRANNIS WILL HAVE NO BUG FIXING IN IT AT ALL! YOU KNOW, PI IS SOOOOO HUGE THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING ON THE LAG ISSUE AT ALL. ONLY ONE THING IN TYRANNIS, PI. ALSO, STUFF ON SISI IS WHAT IT WILL BE ON TQ COME EXPANSION. DEFINITELY.
[/giant sarcasm rant of doom]
Actually I dislike how they allowed a no local "god mode" exploit to slip under the radar as they rushed to release new content. If you'd managed to hold back on frothing at ze mouth for ze trolling opportunity long enough to read the thread properly, you may have understood this.... carry on. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:48:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Zions Child
[begin giant sarcasm rant of doom]
RAWR.
[/giant sarcasm rant of doom]
Wrong thread. This one is mostly a stealth whinge about getting all the crap we have been complaining about for years fixed and providing a framework(buzzword!) to acomplish it without impacting on the overall development schedual of moar new stuff and to also give the poor sprinting devs time to polish everying up nice and shiney for release with as few bugs as possible.  |
Zions Child
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:51:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Actually I dislike how they allowed a no local "god mode" exploit to slip under the radar as they rushed to release new content. If you'd managed to hold back on frothing at the ze mouth for ze trolling opportunity long enough to read the thread properly, you may have understood this.... carry on.
Actually, I quite realize the issue with god-mode exploit. Of course, there have never, ever, ever been any exploits before that allow undue advantages. And CCP does nothing, ever, EVER to fix them once they figure out what the problem is.
And they've never banned some one once they themselves have validated the fact that someone is exploiting/hacking/being a douche. Not once. Ever. |
Pr1ncess Alia |
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:52:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Actually I dislike how they allowed a no local "god mode" exploit to slip under the radar as they rushed to release new content. If you'd managed to hold back on frothing at ze mouth for ze trolling opportunity long enough to read the thread properly, you may have understood this.... carry on.
i'd love to see them do something about the apparent pandemic of macro ratters out there. perhaps if they had some more intelligent npc ai they could use... |
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