| Author |
Topic |
Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC |
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:11:00 - [ 1]
I assume that peeps will be able to design their own clothes still, who will hold the IP to the designs?, if clothes designs are adopted by any companies, will the designer get royalties for them?
Also, will their be a way of printing off patterns for said clothes?
I find this aspect of eve quite interesting, should it take off and go in certain directions. It will be like a less pervy second life, if you know what I mean. |
Tulisin Dragonflame |
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:18:00 - [ 2]
I don't really expect "IP rights" to clothes to be a big issue.
Think of City of Heroes' extensive character creator. Yeah, you could create some pretty unique looks, but in the end they're just an amalgam of pre-set pieces provided by the developers, you can't really claim that they're your intellectual property. |
Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence |
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:25:00 - [ 3]
Actually having been formly involved in CoH and CoV. I regret to inform you that any names or uniforms in either campaigns that mimics or resembles a Comic charactor from DC, Mavel and etc etc will first be given a warning then have their CoH/V account banned. |
Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC |
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:27:00 - [ 4]
Granted, but how likely are you to want to wear an outfit from city of heroes/villains  From what I gather, incarna's cloth making could actually be used to design RL stuff. This is all pure speculation and all, probably nothing will come of it, but still I find the issue and possibilities interesting. |
Verloc Nostromo
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:44:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 18/03/2010 15:49:47
Its actually a fairly simple answer. CCP owns everything ingame. Your avatar will be ingame, therefore CCP owns the design.
EDIT:
The bold/underlined part of the EULA relating to it is what i am refering to
A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below). The Software, System, Game and all Game Content are protected by law governing copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights. CCP reserves all rights not expressly granted herein.
The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above. |
Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence |
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:48:00 - [ 6]
Sorry Brolly was actually replying to Tulisin. :) |
Oghma Grianainech
Minmatar
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence |
Posted - 2010.03.18 15:53:00 - [ 7]
 Originally by: Verloc Nostromo
Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 18/03/2010 15:49:47
Its actually a fairly simple answer. CCP owns everything ingame. Your avatar will be ingame, therefore CCP owns the design.
EDIT:
The bold/underlined part of the EULA relating to it is what i am refering to
A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below). The Software, System, Game and all Game Content are protected by law governing copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights. CCP reserves all rights not expressly granted herein.
The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above.
Actually it's not so simple. With todays garbage IP which is not what it was meant to be, a designer could sue CCP and the player if the player used a "design" from a certain designer. Second life has had this issue going for years now and people have been sued and fined in US and outside of US so :) we live in EU isn't going to roll on this one. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
|
Posted - 2010.03.18 16:07:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Oghma Grianainech
Originally by: Verloc Nostromo
Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 18/03/2010 15:49:47
Its actually a fairly simple answer. CCP owns everything ingame. Your avatar will be ingame, therefore CCP owns the design.
EDIT:
The bold/underlined part of the EULA relating to it is what i am refering to
A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below). The Software, System, Game and all Game Content are protected by law governing copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights. CCP reserves all rights not expressly granted herein.
The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above.
Actually it's not so simple. With todays garbage IP which is not what it was meant to be, a designer could sue CCP and the player if the player used a "design" from a certain designer. Second life has had this issue going for years now and people have been sued and fined in US and outside of US so :) we live in EU isn't going to roll on this one.
yes it is this easy. CCP owns everything ingame. Thats why you are only allowed to involve ISK and not real money into it! Second life involves real money. You can buy items ingame for real money etc. and as such things changes drastically. But for eve, CCP owns it all. |
Omg Corn
Gallente
Alcoholocaust. |
Posted - 2010.03.18 17:30:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
yes it is this easy. CCP owns everything ingame. Thats why you are only allowed to involve ISK and not real money into it! Second life involves real money. You can buy items ingame for real money etc. and as such things changes drastically. But for eve, CCP owns it all.
The problem is that you could [theoretically] make real money using designs you created in the game. There's some bit of law in many countries regarding making money off of stuff you created in a program (like selling stuff you made in photoshop or selling software you coded in visual studio), but I don't know anything about it other than it exists (I know cool story). |
Sylia Masters |
Posted - 2010.03.18 17:45:00 - [ 10]
If the OP wants to see the mess user created art would generate, they should go check the effects of that in a certain MMO that's not their first life. Duplication, plagiarism, and DMCA abuse are rampant there. |
CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance |
Posted - 2010.03.18 17:54:00 - [ 11]
Section 11. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS of the EULA explains everything. |
Tulisin Dragonflame |
Posted - 2010.03.18 17:56:00 - [ 12]
Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 18/03/2010 17:57:52Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 18/03/2010 17:57:28 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Oghma Grianainech
Originally by: Verloc Nostromo
Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 18/03/2010 15:49:47
Its actually a fairly simple answer. CCP owns everything ingame. Your avatar will be ingame, therefore CCP owns the design.
EDIT:
The bold/underlined part of the EULA relating to it is what i am refering to
A. Ownership of Software, System and Game
As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below). The Software, System, Game and all Game Content are protected by law governing copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights. CCP reserves all rights not expressly granted herein.
The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above.
Actually it's not so simple. With todays garbage IP which is not what it was meant to be, a designer could sue CCP and the player if the player used a "design" from a certain designer. Second life has had this issue going for years now and people have been sued and fined in US and outside of US so :) we live in EU isn't going to roll on this one.
yes it is this easy. CCP owns everything ingame. Thats why you are only allowed to involve ISK and not real money into it! Second life involves real money. You can buy items ingame for real money etc. and as such things changes drastically. But for eve, CCP owns it all.
You're both right. CCP reserves the rights to all the in-game content, like most developers do....but it has never really been challenged in court. This issue will inevitably have to be resolved in official law, and then precedent will be set for the future. Basically, if you've got a wad of cash and want to do something that'll epically change the industry, get really ****ed off over virtual item rights and take it to the courts so we can get precedent set. I'm of the mind that as we move into a more digitized society, the law as a whole will recognize digital assets as belonging to their owner, and not the creator of the medium they exist within. This opens up a whole pandora's box of accounting, taxes, and crime. I'm not saying thats the way I'd go with it, but I think the decision will inevitably go the way of the masses, and the masses believe that if they put in time to acquire or create a digital good that has value, it is their property. tl;dr : The EULA is a set of rules, it is governmental law. Just wait for a game company to take away some millionaire's magic sword and see what the courts say. |
Shadowy Assistant
Darkrime Industries |
Posted - 2010.03.18 20:22:00 - [ 13]
EVE is not Second Life. |
Slade Hoo
Amarr
Retired Gunslingers |
Posted - 2010.03.18 20:44:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Shadowy Assistant
EVE is not Second Life.
But Eve ist the Second Genesis! |
Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Imminent Ruin
|
Posted - 2010.03.18 20:50:00 - [ 15]
LOL... Second Life was the first thing that came to mind too.. |
Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort |
Posted - 2010.03.18 20:50:00 - [ 16]
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Apoctasy
Lethal Injection.
Hedonistic Imperative |
Posted - 2010.03.18 21:23:00 - [ 17]
lol @ selling clothes in incarna. Does it really make sense for clothing to cost 10s of millions? |
Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now. |
Posted - 2010.03.18 22:37:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Apoctasy
lol @ selling clothes in incarna. Does it really make sense for clothing to cost 10s of millions?
Seems working fine for RL, though.  |
Barakkus |
Posted - 2010.03.18 22:40:00 - [ 19]
Yeah I almost made Joe Show t-shirts on Cafepress, then decided to read the EULA before I went ahead with it, and from what it looks like, if I made any money off it, I could get myself in trouble for using CCP "property", ie. Joe Phoenix's character portrait...so no Joe Show t-shirts from me :P |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2010.03.18 22:55:00 - [ 20]
Considering CCP hired a fashion designer for the clothes this won't be an issue as you won't be able to design anything. |
WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
|
Posted - 2010.03.18 23:15:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Apoctasy
lol @ selling clothes in incarna. Does it really make sense for clothing to cost 10s of millions?
Most expensive shoes are – high heel shoes That was created by Stuart Weitzman, famous designer of the internationally famous, high-end shoe company, Stuart Weitzman Inc. They have 642 carat rubies on them, and theur price is 1.6 million Euros. Most expensive bra is - Victoria's Secret It costs 15 million dollars. A German cover girl Heidi Klum showed it on one of fashion shows in New York. Most expensive doll is – “Barbie” Price is 100 thousands Euro. She wears a dress, decorated by real diamonds. Most expensive book is - “Codex Leicester” By Leonardo da Vinci, written in mirror writing on expensive paper with lawn finish. Bill Gates bought it for 24 millions dollars. Most expensive painting is - Slaughter of the Innocents by Rubens In 2002 it was bought for 75.3 million euros. You're totally right, makes no sense at all... |
Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
|
Posted - 2010.03.19 02:07:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Brolly
I assume that peeps will be able to design their own clothes still, who will hold the IP to the designs?
Section 11, Subsection C, 3rd paragraph: "You hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sublicensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of your User Content, in any medium now known or hereafter developed." In the words of John Rourke, "They own your ass." |
Mr SmartGuy |
Posted - 2010.03.19 08:22:00 - [ 23]
Edited by: Mr SmartGuy on 19/03/2010 08:22:22
Design your own clothes? I highly doubt that will happen in EVE and it's a good thing it won't. |
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