Posted - 2010.03.07 12:57:00 - [2]

 

Edited by: The Ratfink on 07/03/2010 13:00:06

Originally by: Hellfire77

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Being a megathron pilot..i think it sucks.Everyone knows rails suck...and theres no way to use blasters in missions.Im tired of using rails and running missions is the best way to grind isk.If ccp is worried about too much isk in the game...they should stop letting people sell plex.In my eyes its just like buying isk from the spammers.Look at the market..all the meta lvl 14 stuff..that noone could hardly buy..is gone now.Or has went up from 1 bill...to around 4-7 bill.Because people can buy isk.Ive been playing almost 2 years and have been dreaming of these parts..that people are just buying with cash now.Takes the fun out of it for me to be honest.Theres other ways to make the missions harder too..or take longer.Besides that...at least the mission runners work for their isk...and everything seems to go against them.And if eve was 100% pvp...it wouldnt have half as many people as it does now.
And playing eve for a while now i can tell you..this buying plex has hit the market very hard already...it surprises me that its still being done.

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Level 4 mission running is a massive contributor to ingame inflation!? It creates so much isk from bounties it's unreal. That's why the prices of these item's have risen, because EVERYONE has more isk in their wallets. Plex don't create isk, they simply re-distribute it.

Also is this a whine about blasters, mwd's not being able to be used in missions or Plex's being a secret cause of inflation?

Posted - 2010.03.07 13:03:00 - [4]

 

Originally by: The Ratfink

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Edited by: The Ratfink on 07/03/2010 12:59:44

Originally by: Hellfire77

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Being a megathron pilot..i think it sucks.Everyone knows rails suck...and theres no way to use blasters in missions.Im tired of using rails and running missions is the best way to grind isk.If ccp is worried about too much isk in the game...they should stop letting people sell plex.In my eyes its just like buying isk from the spammers.Look at the market..all the meta lvl 14 stuff..that noone could hardly buy..is gone now.Or has went up from 1 bill...to around 4-7 bill.Because people can buy isk.Ive been playing almost 2 years and have been dreaming of these parts..that people are just buying with cash now.Takes the fun out of it for me to be honest.Theres other ways to make the missions harder too..or take longer.Besides that...at least the mission runners work for their isk...and everything seems to go against them.And if eve was 100% pvp...it wouldnt have half as many people as it does now.
And playing eve for a while now i can tell you..this buying plex has hit the market very hard already...it surprises me that its still being done.

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Level 4 mission running is a massive contributor to ingame inflation!? It creates so much isk from bounties it's unreal. That's why the prices of these item's have risen, because EVERYONE has more isk in their wallets. Plex don't create isk, they simply re-distribute it.

Also is this a whine about blasters, mwd's not being able to be used in missions or Plex's being a secret cause of inflation.

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Not to mention that unlike missions, Plexes does NOT cause inflation, Why not you say? Because unlike missions, they don't create ISK out of thin air, The isk you get when someone buys your plex? guess what, it came from ANOTHER PLAYER, Now that player has less isk in his wallet that he otherwise could have used to buy those very same mods op is talking about.

TLDR:

Missions: Creates isk out of nothing, Causes inflation.
PLEX: Moves isk between players, Does not cause inflation.
OP: Clueless whiner.

Posted - 2010.03.07 13:06:00 - [6]

 

Edited by: Hellfire77 on 07/03/2010 13:09:06
no..to be honest its more about wanting to use blasters.The only way to use them in missions would be to open up mwd.Or give them more range.Missions are also practice..learn to fit your ship.A blaterthron pilot can forget it.Every other race can use their weapons fine.Im just tired of having to use the rails...and having to guess if i can use my mwd in this mission or not.


sry..posted with my alt

Posted - 2010.03.07 13:17:00 - [8]

 

Edited by: N''tek alar on 07/03/2010 13:17:59

Originally by: Hellfire77

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Edited by: Hellfire77 on 07/03/2010 13:09:06
practice..learn to fit your ship.

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If you seriously believe that you've obviously never pvped, and have no clue about pvp.

About the rest.... giving blasters more range would screw with pvp balance too hard to even be considered, open up mwds for deadspace would increase inflation and as such would be bad.

And if you're tired of it, guess what, you could very easily crosstrain another race without having to start over, All you'd need is amarr BS IV and the skills to use lasers, your armor tanking skills, engineering skills, electronics, gunnery support, drones and whatnot wouldn't have to be retrained.

Originally by: HeIIfire11

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And about there being too much isk...i just got some cards to buy a mod i would have never had if i couldnt buy plex.Thats why these items are gone..or cost 4-7 bill now.

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Read my post further up about why PLEX having no effect on inflation, Not going to bother explaining it again.

Posted - 2010.03.07 13:31:00 - [10]

 

Edited by: Estel Arador on 07/03/2010 13:31:06
Hellfire, you are deluded and/or ignorant.

A level 4 mission runner complaining about something else making getting isk too easy

Posted - 2010.03.07 13:32:00 - [12]

 

Edited by: N''tek alar on 07/03/2010 13:33:46

Originally by: HeIIfire11

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Dont take the plex thing that far...all im saying is as i started playing..there were mods that i only dreamed about being able to get.Now..they are gone because of people buying these plex cards and selling them.So it may not put more isk in the game..but it gives people ways to buy what they shouldnt be able to buy.Which ruins the market just as much in my opinion.I understand that mission running brings in alot of isk..all im trying to say is that there arte other ways to make them harder without killing the mwd.Thats the easy way out..how about less bounty and more rats?I dont know

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*sigh*

The fact that PLEX have been added, And the fact that mods are higher priced, Those two facts both existing does not mean that they are linked.

Here's a hint for you, You've ALWAYS been able to buy game time for RL money and sell it for ingame money, The only difference is that before you would buy a Game time code and sell it, Now you buy plexes and sell them, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE EXCEPT THE METHOD USED!

Then consider that buying game time with isk is now CHEAPER than it used to be, Meaning that the PLEX sellers are getting LESS isk per month of game time than you did before and guess what? if that was the only thing affecting the cost/availability of those mods, they would have gotten CHEAPER and MORE COMMON, not more expensive and rare.

Posted - 2010.03.07 13:55:00 - [14]

 

Edited by: Shadow Fairee on 07/03/2010 14:02:09
It certainly sounds like this has gone way off topic and has become a political debate pvp vs carebears. However, we are all entitled to our opinion so I am going to give mine. I understand what everyone is saying, but I do have to agree that plex can affect the game. For example, yes, missioners do make alot of isk with bounty, looting, etc.but, they have to put hours into the game to earn it. On the other hand, someone using plex just buys there isk and doesnt have to play to earn it. How does this benefit pvp or carebears? It takes 8 hours a day at least 7 days and a lucky draw of missions to earn 1 billion isk. It takes $70 USD and 7 minutes to earn it through plex. If people stop missioning because isk is easier to buy than to work for, what happens to the market? Those missioners are a big contributor to its effectiveness through the buying and selling of loot and salvage. If miners stop mining for ore to earn money or to build because spending $70 is easier.... what happens to the market? Miners in themselves, as much as they are degraded, are a big contributor to the materials needed to build many of the modules, ships, stations. etc... of the market. Furthermore, if the sandbox ceased to exist, because the environment or the structure thereof is no longer needed, and isk is so easily obtained, what happens to eve or what makes the pvp aspect so entertaining? Eve works on a structure. Manipulate the structure to much in one way and the whole thing can crash. So as much as we all hate to admit it, every person whether in the sandbox or out is needed. Otherwise Eve is another First Person Shooter MMORPG. WIth this said, I just want to make my point. How dangerous plex can be if abused. I dont expect anyone to agree just take my point objectively.

Posted - 2010.03.07 14:01:00 - [16]

 

Edited by: The Ratfink on 07/03/2010 14:02:30

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These items are rare to begin with...what makes them more expensive is that there are none on contracts...and they are the best.You want the best..pay my price.That ..is why they cost so much.

To the buying plex...i stand corrected.But...just like ninjasalvaging,you could always do it.But now that there are tutorials on scanning...everyone does it.Same with the plex cards..it makes it alot more popular.

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I fell for your troll

Posted - 2010.03.07 15:34:00 - [18]

 

While this thread in general seems like a pretty mediocre trollfest I do agree in that not being able to use blasters in missions because of the restrictions really kinda sucks.

Posted - 2010.03.07 16:25:00 - [20]

 

Originally by: Shadow Fairee

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On the other hand, someone using plex just buys there isk and doesnt have to play to earn it. How does this benefit pvp or carebears? It takes 8 hours a day at least 7 days and a lucky draw of missions to earn 1 billion isk. It takes $70 USD and 7 minutes to earn it through plex.

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Quote:

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If miners stop mining for ore to earn money or to build because spending $70 is easier.... what happens to the market?

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Soo, if anyone stops to do anything and will just sell PLEX to make isk... to whom they will sell it, exactly? There are no NPCs creating isk so you can redeem your plex.

Posted - 2010.03.07 16:57:00 - [22]

 

Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 11/03/2010 13:49:57
come to low sec. mwd works there. but, only if you have one of those special meta 14 ones.

seriously, mwd does work in a good deal of missions. fit one and try it out.

while you're at it. train or use something other than rails for missions, they suck...

1300 dps 20km range 968m/s

[MASTER BLASTER LvL 4] Navy Mega
Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster,Navy Cap Booster 800

Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo

Large Ancillary Current Router II
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Drones_Inactive=Hobgoblin II,5
Drones_Active=Ogre II,5
Drones_Inactive=Hobgoblin II,5

Posted - 2010.03.07 20:40:00 - [24]

 

Originally by: The Ratfink

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Level 4 mission running is a massive contributor to ingame inflation!? It creates so much isk from bounties it's unreal. That's why the prices of these item's have risen, because EVERYONE has more isk in their wallets.

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This, my little cupcake, is abosolutly bollox.

First we will look at the evidence, my first Megathron cost me 108 million ISK. The now cost 75 million ISK. It is the same with all t1 ships and modules. There is no inflation in New Eden.

Now the reason for this is that as fast as the mission runners are pouring money into the Eve economy they are also pouring in lots of loot and salvage, which this new money can be spent on.

Now I know it is just your hatred of mission runners that cause you to post lies, but if you could wait till after the 10th before you do it again, I would be most happy.

L&K
Rear Admiral Banana Torres.

Posted - 2010.03.08 03:13:00 - [26]

 

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I thought I'd just drop in and say hello in a troll thread


My work here is done.

Posted - 2010.03.08 07:44:00 - [28]

 

Edited by: small chimp on 08/03/2010 07:44:24
the MD elite would laugh at this thread!

Posted - 2010.03.08 23:38:00 - [30]

 

Wow... what a *****fest!

To give an opinion relevant to the topic; I would agree with the OP's sentiments.

I find it ridiculous that there is some kind of unnatural restriction to prevent mwd's being used in missions. This peculiar decision is the root of one of Eve's biggest problems in my opinion.

The fact is, a pvp fit is very different to a mission fit, and I really wish they were the same or similar. There is no point in trying to come up with a truly efficient setup for both - because most good pvp fits require mwd and tackle, but mwd and tackle on a mission ship are pointless.

If you could use mwd in all missions then we'd see a lot more mission ships with mwds. If you had to scram the juicy npc bs's to prevent them from warping away, every mission ship would carry a scram...

..and then, there wouldn't be much difference between pve/pvp setups! I don't need to explain how this would benefit the game, it should be pretty obvious! In fact, what I can't understand is just how this crazy decision came to become game mechanics. Mwd has shocking and hideous penalties/disadvantages to it's use, just like most powerful modules - it's balanced. A tacked-on, immersion-breaking unnatural 'rule' is not required to further balance this module.

I mean, CCP have made it clear they want mission runners to fight, by allowing and encouraging further interaction with other players (scanning improvements, salvage mechanics etc), but like so many other things (sorry CCP) I think they messed it up a bit.

I like the new mechanics, it's great to be able to scan quickly and salvage without fear of repercussion, but tbh I believe that wrecks shouldn't belong to anyone, except he who salvaged/looted them. I can salvage your wreck, but I can't tractor it?

I consider the mwd rule as a similar mistake. It's as if CCP are trying to make workarounds to counter the negative effects of poor design from years ago, rather than rethink the design.

TL;DR

Mwd's should not have restrictions on where they are used, NPC's should (try to) warp away when attacked.

This would mean that any decent mission running ship would have mwd and tackle fitted by default, and would therefore be pvp capable.