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Topic |
Lunas Whisper
Minmatar
Chillwater Ltd
Imperial Ascension |
Posted - 2010.02.01 22:31:00 - [ 1]
In my recruiting efforts for both my alliance and my corp I've found there are some that are dead set on being NRDS. Figured we could all have a rousing debate on it, to give a break from the epeen waving. |
Feyona
Caldari
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:36:00 - [ 2]
I don't see why it's really an argument. Being able to shoot anybody you feel like and kill targets of opportunity? Yes... Unless you have a huge blue list anyway. |
Hilly22222
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:36:00 - [ 3]
NRDS is merely NBSI with less targets and a severe disadvantage in the first stages of a fight with neutrals. It gives some people a degree of self-satisfaction but it just sucks most of the time.
NBSI is the "fire first and ask questions when you want to" and is the best way to operate imo
look at alliances like HELM alliance to see how NRDS sucks balls |
damgood85
Gallente
Gladiators of Rage
Intrepid Crossing |
Posted - 2010.02.01 22:40:00 - [ 4]
You walk into your living room and find a strange man you don't know looking at your DVD collection. You...
NRDS = dont mind him as long as he is not stealing things or breaking things.
NBSI = grab your gun and blow him away for trespassing in your house. |
Lunas Whisper
Minmatar
Chillwater Ltd
Imperial Ascension |
Posted - 2010.02.01 22:48:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: damgood85
You walk into your living room and find a strange man you don't know looking at your DVD collection. You...
NRDS = dont mind him as long as he is not stealing things or breaking things.
NBSI = grab your gun and blow him away for trespassing in your house.
Pretty much how I feel about it. I find NBSI to be more pragmatic. |
Sylen
Caldari
Greater Order Of Destruction
Cascade Imminent |
Posted - 2010.02.01 22:53:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: damgood85
You walk into your living room and find a strange man you don't know looking at your DVD collection. You...
NRDS = dont mind him as long as he is not stealing things or breaking things.
NBSI = grab your gun and blow him away for trespassing in your house.
That's a terrible example, because you're thinking it in terms of Black & White, and in life, no decision is ever so clear cut. 1) What if the guy is an acquaintance of a friend of yours? 2) Do you live in an apt with roommates where strangers would be standing around? These are some additional questions people that are out there. Sure if it was just your house, you might be like wtf? But at the same time, if it was your house, he obviously would have broke into your house, unless you (the person who walks in on the stranger) is an r-tard who doesn't know how to keep a door locked. So in clarification of that, I believe this is how it should be: NRDS: If he broke in, ask him who the hell he is, and why he's here. If he's hostile, grab anything and beat his skull in (as long as he's facing you, cause if you attack his back, its considered against the law in real life anyways :P) If none of the above, chill out, have a smoke, coffee, drink, w/e an talk about your awesome DVD Collection ;P. NBSI: Pepper his body with bullets then teabag his body? Only downside to this is: A) You have to get rid of a dead boy =\... B) You have to explain why your nuts are covered in blood =\... C) All that legal hoo-ha later on =\... Thank god Eve Online isn't like real life eh? So none of our parallels work at :P. |
Hilly22222
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:53:00 - [ 7]
no, if you were NDRS you would assume he was a friend until he did something. you would offer to be his bumbuddy and get him tea and cookies |
Feyona
Caldari
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 22:54:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Hilly22222
NRDS is merely NBSI with less targets and a severe disadvantage in the first stages of a fight with neutrals. It gives some people a degree of self-satisfaction but it just sucks most of the time.
NBSI is the "fire first and ask questions when you want to" and is the best way to operate imo
look at alliances like HELM alliance to see how NRDS sucks balls
Yeh. I have memories of roaming with CVA when I was a newbie and we'd run into neutrals, and have to stop and wait before engaging while the FC put their names through their KOS checker or whatever.  NBSI is much more fun since you don't have to pass up juicy kills and it's safer to just assume hostile and pewpew too. |
Equilibrium Ambition
Gallente
Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2010.02.01 23:00:00 - [ 9]
NRDS - "One moment please, just changing my overview to show Neutrals now"
NBSI - "Im telling you he was going to kill me first"
Both work in their own way, but tbh if you are NRDS what exactly do you do in 0.0, mine and rat :/ granted you have a long hostile list but it requires alot of messing around and unnecessary kills,..
Be paranoid, kill everything,.. |
Hilly22222
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.01 23:02:00 - [ 10]
everyone is out to kill you, make sure you kill them first
or, in the case of NRDS...carry on ratting |
Brummbull
Gallente
ASTARTES CORP
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Posted - 2010.02.01 23:05:00 - [ 11]
i like systems that have NRDS for the fact that they give new pilots chance to gain exp. in 0.0 Then once they get better sp and more exp i think that nbsi is a good way to go. I live in provi and enjoy it. But it is a big disadvantage when nuets can spy on you all day.
but like i said, it helps with the influx of new players. |
damgood85
Gallente
Gladiators of Rage
Intrepid Crossing |
Posted - 2010.02.01 23:07:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Sylen
Originally by: damgood85
You walk into your living room and find a strange man you don't know looking at your DVD collection. You...
NRDS = dont mind him as long as he is not stealing things or breaking things.
NBSI = grab your gun and blow him away for trespassing in your house.
That's a terrible example, because you're thinking it in terms of Black & White, and in life, no decision is ever so clear cut.
This is eve not life. Originally by: Sylen
1) What if the guy is an acquaintance of a friend of yours?
Read the post. Originally by: damgood85
a strange man you don't know
Originally by: Sylen
2) Do you live in an apt with roommates where strangers would be standing around?
I said your house, not yours and your roommates. Originally by: Sylen
These are some additional questions people that are out there.
Sure if it was just your house, you might be like wtf? But at the same time, if it was your house, he obviously would have broke into your house, unless you (the person who walks in on the stranger) is an r-tard who doesn't know how to keep a door locked.
Its my house, I have the right to leave my doors open. Strange men do not have the right to wander in. |
Sa'Shena
Amarr
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2010.02.01 23:13:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Sa''Shena on 01/02/2010 23:13:28 Originally by: Brummbull
i like systems that have NRDS for the fact that they give new pilots chance to gain exp. in 0.0 Then once they get better sp and more exp i think that nbsi is a good way to go. I live in provi and enjoy it. But it is a big disadvantage when nuets can spy on you all day.
but like i said, it helps with the influx of new players.
I agree with this. NRDS for all its flaws is probably the most conducive for a newbie to try out 0.0, because while not shooting Neutrals is a big annoyance to people who have been in 0.0 a long time, for a newbie its still second nature. And in NRDS space there is -still- never a shortage of actual Reds to work out the practicalities of 0.0 PvP. |
Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now. |
Posted - 2010.02.01 23:50:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: Baneken on 01/02/2010 23:52:13Edited by: Baneken on 01/02/2010 23:51:15As if being NBSI would help you getting rid of bomber (alt)squad idling 23/7 in your system(s) and ganking your miners.  SF AFK'ers you know whom I'm talking about. |
Alaxen
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent |
Posted - 2010.02.02 00:16:00 - [ 15]
NRDS = Low Sec
NBSI = Null Sec |
Liam Fremen
Gallente
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance |
Posted - 2010.02.02 00:51:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Liam Fremen on 02/02/2010 00:51:45 Originally by: damgood85
You walk into your living room and find a strange man you don't know looking at your DVD collection. You...
NRDS = dont mind him as long as he is not stealing things or breaking things.
NBSI = grab your gun and blow him away for trespassing in your house.
You forgot what happens very often: NRDS = you find a guy that is walking around you home, he smile and greets so you ignore him, he walk behind you and backstab you while you were doing something else, then, and only after that, you call your friends and put him in a black list from coming in your "common" house. Luckly it's a game, because NRDS in real stuff would sux a lot. |
Sator deHarak
Caldari
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2010.02.02 01:30:00 - [ 17]
NBSI is a convoluted Rules of engagement that's used for scrapheap comedy Ganknights, it stands for: Not Blackbird/bellicose Shoot it. It's often used to supersede other standings such as "**** my bluelist is massive" and "I wish they updated the -10s"
Make sure to stock up on bellicoses when you join NBSI alliances, as they will often fall prey on those hapless victims who don't know this fine difference. |
Pharon Reichter
Caldari
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.02.02 01:42:00 - [ 18]
well that's about what i just cant get in NRDS. how can you live with all those neutrals living near you ?
I mean any last one of them can just try to blow you to pieces.
Can either see how it makes easier for noobs to acoodate, since
1) they live in an artificial danger at all times
2) system is more complicated -> check if guy is on kos list or not , put every one hostile on negative standing etc etc.
NBSI is just so much simpler, you have 2 friends the green and the blues everyone else is hostile :D
For all i can figure NRDS is more like, just close your eyes and hope the otherone wont shoot.
For any practical comparison to real life please refer to a wild wild west real life mkayyyy ?
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Byrr
Minmatar
Militant Mermen
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM |
Posted - 2010.02.02 01:42:00 - [ 19]
NRDS - A civilized neighborhood
NBSI - "Someone may be trying to build a new house on my street. Open fire!"
Seriously, it seems like 95% of people in low/nullsec act like insane militant survivalists. |
Nick Bison
Gallente
Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2010.02.02 01:45:00 - [ 20]
NRDS: More like allowing folk to drive on your roads (gate to gate). Pull into my driveway (belt etc) and we start looking very hard at you.
NBSI: 3rd world gang setting up extortion roadblocks. |
Pharon Reichter
Caldari
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.02.02 01:48:00 - [ 21]
well eve is all but civilised, even in empire you get suicide ganks, wars , and factional warfare. If you feel in low-sec or 0.0 like in a cozy, warm, friendly neighberhood, you just might be in the wrong game. Quote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in,
you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled
with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
- CCP Wrangler
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Konoch
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.02 02:04:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: Konoch on 02/02/2010 02:04:48NRDS will not exist within two weeks. Please ignore the notion and move swiftly to NBSI. As it stands the only significant NRDS faction is about to be vaporized and a beacon for RP across every MMO will fall with it. While i understand -A-'s motives in this situation it makes me sick to know that the only rpers ever to hold such a significant position are about to be wiped off the map likely for good. Pip if you're reading this i strongly suggest you bug the **** out and i mean right now. It is very simple. Everyone likes killing everyone else no matter the reason Null Sec is simply the killing fields on which no one is safe or will ever be safe. Doesn't matter how many guns you bring you'll never get in and survive unless you join the clique factions. Which honestly ****es me off. To that end i'll be shooting damn near anything and everything i think regardless of its alignment because that's just the kind of psychotic dumb ass *****es we got controlling the best parts of space. As long as no one is willing to show any kind of restraint whatsoever and talk NRDS holds no place in eve. It cant. What is happening in providence is full proof of that. -A- can say whatever the **** it wants but the fact is what happened in DG would have been enough of a lesson for damn near any faction save BoB AKA IT alliance or GoonSwarm. Still they continue forward. Worse they attempted an RP coup de tat within the area with their so called peace proposal.The homicidal maniacs are what live out in null and most of low. Until true law reigns there it will remain that way. Not a single pod pilot has the balls to attempt to bring the wild lands under control hell probably not even me. There in the end is no debate. NRDS is not worth the trouble so long as people are unwilling to enforce it. Only one faction had the power to even try and they are about to die. Change your philosophy while you can. Quote:
Seriously, it seems like 95% of people in low/nullsec act like insane militant survivalists.
Try? That's exactly what they are. They need to be podded repediately its a shame no one has the balls or the firepower to do so.' |
Douglas Pearce
Caldari
Music Martinis and Misanthropy
Kugutsumen. |
Posted - 2010.02.02 02:06:00 - [ 23]
is bad thread imo |
Equilibrium Ambition
Gallente
Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2010.02.02 02:12:00 - [ 24]
You really have to be paranoid in order to survive, if you see someone jump in 'your' systerm, assume he is there to kill you and devour your corpse, theres several things you can compare life and eve with but in EvE no one has any morals so the second you let your guard down someone will kill you and sleep with your alt,..
CVA ONLY works because no one wants providence, it is nice of them to actually have a NRDS for the carebears but for every carebear out there, theres 50 pirates so really if you think about it miners are the primary source of piracy and corruption,.. |
Bacchanalian
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle |
Posted - 2010.02.02 03:33:00 - [ 25]
It works for SF. They totally kept Severance from building an outpost right under their noses during a protracted campaign against them. Totally. Those neutral freighters passing through the SF gatecamps couldn't possibly have been carrying the materials for said outpost. |
Night Epoch
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle |
Posted - 2010.02.02 03:34:00 - [ 26]
Edited by: Night Epoch on 02/02/2010 03:35:40
NRDS 0.0 space (read: Providence) breeds a promised land of carebear targets for NBSI gangs looking for a little pewpew. NBSI alliance members should *love* NRDS space.
Compare Providence, one of the most densely packed regions of 0.0, with proper NBSI space. I was with a gang roaming through -A- space the other night and we EASILY went 10+ jumps without seeing a single. freaking. red.
I'm totally happy to be an NRDS resident of Providence. At least we have people to chat with in local - and plenty of reds to shoot at because they always come roaming in Providence because their NBSI space is so bloody boring and devoid of targets.
Drawback: come to providence as a red, you're going to get blobbed. :( Sadly we currently lack proper small gang skirmishes. |
Sylen
Caldari
Greater Order Of Destruction
Cascade Imminent |
Posted - 2010.02.02 03:50:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: damgood85
This is eve not life.
Coming from the person who first used a real life example as comparison to Eve Online. Hypocrite anyone? Originally by: damgood85
Read the post.
I did, read your own. Originally by: damgood85
Its my house, I have the right to leave my doors open. Strange men do not have the right to wander in.
And its their opportunity to wander into your house. Who cares about rights, they get violated everyday Eve Online or Real Life. A thief doesn't give a **** about your rights. Originally by: damgood85
I said your house, not yours and your roommates.
Duh, of course you said your house. I gave another example in which that was not a case. Debate much? |
riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2010.02.02 04:03:00 - [ 28]
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Dal' Hassen
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E |
Posted - 2010.02.02 04:07:00 - [ 29]
The way I see it, is that NBSI is just an easy position to take, if it isn't a friend kill it. Simple, not difficult to understand, do you even need to enforce it?
NRDS on the other hand, is a tad more complex, needs some sort of enforcement policy, and repercussions. My question is, actually, how many Sov holding Alliances put forth an effort of NRDS? My hats off to CVA and 'any' others who have an NRDS policy, your taking a more complex and difficult approach to the game.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes |
Posted - 2010.02.02 09:42:00 - [ 30]
There isn't a massive amount of practical difference between NRDS and NBSI if you're fairly expansive with your red list. Inappropriate content removed.Applebabe
NRDS is an enormous pain to administer and recruit for.
NBSI isn't and is therefore generally considered more fun.
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