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Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension |
Posted - 2010.02.03 10:59:00 - [ 31]
Edited by: Rico Minali on 04/02/2010 08:55:38
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SupaKudoRio |
Posted - 2010.02.03 11:38:00 - [ 32]
 Confirming I am someone's alt. Question is, who? |
Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.02.03 12:06:00 - [ 33]
This thread and discussion is full of crap.
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What low sec really need is carebear buff - to attract more people in the area.
- Lvl 4.5 missions - same level better reward
- more lvl 5 missions
- Currier missions that leads trough low sec - MUCH higher rewards than regular couriers
- More low sec agents with better quality
- New pos modules for low sec
- More epic arcs only for low sec
- better plexes or whatever - scannable sites
MORE AND MORE AND MORE - Industry slots in low sec !!! (this one is important)
Make broker fee / sales taxes lower in low sec stations
Add cosmos constellations to low sec
Make rats in low sec drop better salvage (pirates don't waste time with low sec rats) |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance |
Posted - 2010.02.03 12:08:00 - [ 34]
Okay, everyone who disagrees is a troll right?  Many of the ideas are terrible and open for abuse of game mechanics. Also with eve being so overpopulated as it is now, creating lowsec areas would make logistics nearly impossible for anyone not having a jump capable ship, because all these lowsec routes would be perma-camped and essentially locked down for travel. Don't get me started on disallowing pirate faction ships in High Sec.  |
XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.03 13:49:00 - [ 35]
 Originally by: Stygian Knight
This thread and discussion is full of crap.
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What low sec really need is carebear buff - to attract more people in the area.
- Lvl 4.5 missions - same level better reward
- more lvl 5 missions
- Currier missions that leads trough low sec - MUCH higher rewards than regular couriers
- More low sec agents with better quality
- New pos modules for low sec
- More epic arcs only for low sec
- better plexes or whatever - scannable sites
MORE AND MORE AND MORE - Industry slots in low sec !!! (this one is important)
Make broker fee / sales taxes lower in low sec stations
Add cosmos constellations to low sec
Make rats in low sec drop better salvage (pirates don't waste time with low sec rats)
this...pretty much dead on |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Atomic Geese
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Posted - 2010.02.03 14:01:00 - [ 36]
Yeah, because clearly I'm pathetic enough to have to post support for myself using alts, instead of just say, for the umpteenth time, in a post on this same character, why I think a certain portion of an idea is flawed. Op, a LOT of the people posting support in the assembly hall have absolutely no idea of how EVE works nor what the potential implications of any of your ideas could be - they seem to almost be supporting it merely for the sake of supporting it. The assembly hall is for presenting proposals that have already been discussed and that are at the point where a consensus has been reached on the details of the proposal; the features and ideas forum is for *discussing* proposals, whether ideas, change requests or feature addition/removal requests. You cannot expect to come here and ignore those that find fault in your ideas, because that essentially means that you posted here for no other purpose than to try and garner more support, ignoring those that don't support your idea. Originally by: "Rico Milani"
Rorqual anybody? Not exactly bank breaking. Anyway, my point was, that you basically said you ddnt like any of the ideas, thats fine, youprobably are a ghisec player and dont want anything threatening your isk making.
Perfect example of blatant ignorance, ironically on your own part, Op. Rorquals cannot enter empire. Your two best options to avoid insta-lock gatecamps end up being Black Ops Battleships or Jump Freighters, both of which would need to jump ontop of an empire-border gate in low-sec, both of which are very expensive and have fairly steep entry requirements, and both of which require that someone have an alt at hand to sacrifice if a gate is hot or inevitably gets a bunch of guys warping on over to kill the cyno gen. And even then, this all assumes you managed to get the cyno gen ship past that instalock gatecamp (protip: there are guys out there camping lowsec gates right now that can lock and point a shuttle before it can enter warp - how do you propose frigates with cyno gens should get past? Or should everyone have to sacrifice a cov ops frig or cloaking recon every time they want to jump their stuff past the permanent camps?) And Sketch, why the 'new guys' matter is because for every older player that emoragequits because he did something stupid and lost everything he had, or couldn't deal with the system he's fighting in crashing when it ticked over 700 users, there has to be a bunch of new guys filling the spaces that one player and his various alts has opened. Now you want to make the entry for new players more complicated, more difficult, more frustrating - potentially deterring them from wanting to carry on playing. That new guy might not end up subscribing as easily as he would have if all of empire was easily accessible to him, or there was at least SOME 'safe way' to get from one empire region to another that didn't involve him leaving all his stuff he's worked for behind. If those new players end up not subscribing, that's a potential for a gradual decline in subscribed players, all because the older players are STILL not satisfied, and the newer players only have more 'bad things' to have to deal with, starting out. |
XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.03 16:13:00 - [ 37]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
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so making low sec....dare I say....dangerous to the noobs....will make all noobs run for the hills? tl;dr eve is dying ps: have you ever even traveled through low sec? you make it sound impossible... |
XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.03 16:15:00 - [ 38]
btw, just to be clear, the low sec barriers thing is simply something I dream of, I doubt CCP would ever have the balls to do it cause they think like you do
however, the Carebear buff as outline by the PL member above is, as I stated, spot on
so lets agree to disagree and stop ****ting up this thread
bottom line: low sec needs carebear (pve/industry) buff, c/d? |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Atomic Geese
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Posted - 2010.02.03 19:18:00 - [ 39]
Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 03/02/2010 19:29:18
Something is obviously getting very lost in translation here...
I'm not saying that this "would make" low-sec "too dangerous" for new players, I'm saying that they would have no choice but to deal with low-sec during their everyday activities.
You are, quite simply, completely missing this fact.
There is no case of "agree to disagree here" either, since what we're disagreeing on isn't the same thing - I say one thing and you interpret it as something completely different; how or why, I don't know.
I have also not at all stated that low-sec would become impossible to navigate; I have outlined the specific methods in which those that currently do engage in frequent inter-regional travel would have to resort to, due to having no other viable alternative.
Claiming in rebuttal that "they would organise escorts" is not at all realistic, as there are literally hundreds of day-traders that are entirely comfortable keeping their transactions to themselves, thus ensuring its security, that wouldn't like to have to engage with someone they cannot get a solid guarantee of services from just to be granted "safe passage" through an area.
In addition to this, as I mentioned before, a lot of the supposed "anti-pirate corps" would likely be alts of the pirates that are running the outfit themselves, simply abstaining from ganking people if their client has paid enough, or even ganking their own alts with the intention of making it look like "the good guys" got overwhelmed, providing them with an opportunity to kill the hauler that has already paid them for the services in the process, gaining whatever loot drops.
What this all boils down to is that the idea is extremely unbalanced, favouring the pirates while giving no good alternative to those that would rather avoid this kind of gameplay altogether - it's almost as crazy as my idea ages ago to have restrictions placed on the ships that people could fly based on whether they were in a corp or not, and placing limits on what they could fly during corp-transition periods - as much as I still believe THAT idea would be good for the various implications it would have against macrominers and macro-mission-runners, the negative fallout it would have against newer players would be quite severe as well, and would be cause for an entirely new breed of grief-whining on the forums and rage-quitting all over the place.
So no, I won't agree that we're disagreeing on something here, because you have stated several times now that you don't care about the implications of the proposals made here, which in turn means you don't understand them because you haven't cared enough to think them through, and thus you cannot see the same kind of situation that I do, which in turn means you have no idea what I'm talking about.
*breathe* now to go finish fixing my PC...
Oh and, yeah, while I couldn't say what the potential implications of the PL guy's suggestions would be, it's something that both pirates and bears could use that might attract bears to low-sec without forcing them into it. |
XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.03 20:52:00 - [ 40]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 03/02/2010 19:29:18
Something is obviously getting very lost in translation here...
I'm not saying that this "would make" low-sec "too dangerous" for new players, I'm saying that they would have no choice but to deal with low-sec during their everyday activities.
really? its absolutely mandatory that they travel afar? and if they do...great...they'll learn fast Quote:
You are, quite simply, completely missing this fact.
no I think you are bro Quote:
There is no case of "agree to disagree here" either, since what we're disagreeing on isn't the same thing - I say one thing and you interpret it as something completely different; how or why, I don't know.
well that either means you suck at explaining yourself or I fail at reading comprehension, take your pick Quote:
I have also not at all stated that low-sec would become impossible to navigate; I have outlined the specific methods in which those that currently do engage in frequent inter-regional travel would have to resort to, due to having no other viable alternative.
This is my point. Make inter-regional market trading have some risk if people really want to engage in it. Otherwise, they will start to sell locally. Quote:
Claiming in rebuttal that "they would organise escorts" is not at all realistic, as there are literally hundreds of day-traders that are entirely comfortable keeping their transactions to themselves, thus ensuring its security, that wouldn't like to have to engage with someone they cannot get a solid guarantee of services from just to be granted "safe passage" through an area.
Thats their prerogative. Teamwork should be rewarded. Quote:
In addition to this, as I mentioned before, a lot of the supposed "anti-pirate corps" would likely be alts of the pirates that are running the outfit themselves, simply abstaining from ganking people if their client has paid enough, or even ganking their own alts with the intention of making it look like "the good guys" got overwhelmed, providing them with an opportunity to kill the hauler that has already paid them for the services in the process, gaining whatever loot drops.
This is elaborate, creative and totally awesome. This is exactly the sort of thing EvE is meant to support. Quote:
So no, I won't agree that we're disagreeing on something here, because you have stated several times now that you don't care about the implications of the proposals made here, which in turn means you don't understand them because you haven't cared enough to think them through, and thus you cannot see the same kind of situation that I do, which in turn means you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Let me rephrase. "HE SAYS HE DOESNT CARE SO IT MUST MEAN HE DOESNT REALLY KNOW" I have considered the implications. I have even looked deeper at them after reading each of your posts. My point is, if you'll read up, that the implications are either 1)so minor that they really should not be considered (noobs not being able to survive their first trip into low sec) or 2)are positive implications in my mind (putting risk on inter-regional trade, developing stronger regional markets). Quote:
*breathe* now to go finish fixing my PC...
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