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Topic |
Facial Anomaly |
Posted - 2010.01.29 17:58:00 - [ 1]
Call me a carebear, a mission runner a loser, I do not care. I LOVE MISSIONS. I LOVE NOT GETTING KILLED. I LOVE ISK. I once said that if it weren't for missions and highsec, I wouldn't play this game. It's still true. Every MMO I play, it's for the missions. I'm coming up to be able to fly a nighthawk, and I discover that I can't get a Level 5 agent in Highsec. It kinda makes me want to move on from Eve, if I've exhausted the mission route and there's too much risk involved. Can we have level 5s in highsec please? Yours, UBER CAREB  EAR yes this is an alt. |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers |
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:01:00 - [ 2]
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darius mclever |
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:02:00 - [ 3]
you can get lvl5s in highsec. it just takes some iterations of ask for mission/decline. but most of them will be in lowsec and many of them will be vs the other factions.
and if you hope to do your lvl5s solo in a nighthawk it will be either a quick death (hello heavy neut towers) or take you ages. lvl5 are for groups of people. |
Facial Anomaly |
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:08:00 - [ 4]
thanks for the advice.
It's the having to request from losec that bugs me. Can get easily snagged outside the station while in 200m isk of implants.
As for soloing.. My corpies regularly solo lvl5s in a nighthawk, but sometimes need help with the carrier. Passive tank and missiles FTW vs heavy neut. |
darius mclever |
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:11:00 - [ 5]
1. fly covops
2. make insta undock spots (500+km suggested)
help from a carrier is not soloing, further more the dps of a that highly tanked nighthawk is just embarrasing. doing lvl5s with 4-5 people is much more fun.
with 10 people it kind of gets too easy, as you just obliterate the rats.
also missioning in lowsec isnt all that difficult with some planning ahead and a scout or two. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation |
Posted - 2010.01.29 18:22:00 - [ 6]
Not Supported. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.01.29 21:25:00 - [ 7]
So join a corp that works to secure an area of lowsec from gankers so that you can run missions in relative safety.
Or you could sulk and threaten to quit the game because you don't understand ISK vs risk I guess. |
Syringe
Incura
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Posted - 2010.01.29 21:47:00 - [ 8]
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Furb Killer
Gallente |
Posted - 2010.01.29 21:50:00 - [ 9]
 Originally by: Scatim Helicon
So join a corp that works to secure an area of lowsec from gankers so that you can run missions in relative safety.
Or you could sulk and threaten to quit the game because you don't understand ISK vs risk I guess.
Correct me if wrong but arent lvl 4s still the better option for making isk? |
Mr Stark |
Posted - 2010.01.30 11:30:00 - [ 10]
Lowsec isnt there for hisec people to exploit,and make safe. It is lowsec for a reason. The lvl5s are in lowsec for a reason.
That reason is risk vs reward... And even then it is still hugely unbalanced towards making hisec players rich.
If you want to do lvl 5s, join a corp that do lvl 5s.
If you want to do things in lowsec, join a corp that does things in lowsec.
Nothing makes people more angry than people moaning about how doing stuff is dangerous.. Well, sharks make me angrier, but hey, thats just me. |
Mercylesss Ming
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Posted - 2010.01.30 11:35:00 - [ 11]
Facial, ignore the ignorant haters, glad you're not responding with some childish rant to them, seems most people who read this just don't like anyone that isn't in 0.0 or losec, or generally don't like anyone having an opinion at all.
There's a large part of this game that's about missions and I think it definately needs some more work. I don't even need the mission guides any more, it's all predictable. Level 5's net me about 75k LP per run. Add the tags and the salvage and that's way better than L4's.
As for that idiot from Goon, saying you don't understand isk vs risk, obviously you do. As commented by others, the Risk of having your NH blown up by the Environment is already high, to add on the risk of being snared in losec, you might as well just go ratting/plexing. |
Insa Rexion
Minmatar
Fumar Puede Matar
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Posted - 2010.01.30 11:56:00 - [ 12]
Not supported, you already have more advantages in little to no risk hisec as it is. |
eocsnesemaj
Keskerakond
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Posted - 2010.02.10 21:54:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Mercylesss Ming
Facial, ignore the ignorant haters, glad you're not responding with some childish rant to them, seems most people who read this just don't like anyone that isn't in 0.0 or losec, or generally don't like anyone having an opinion at all.
There's a large part of this game that's about missions and I think it definately needs some more work. I don't even need the mission guides any more, it's all predictable. Level 5's net me about 75k LP per run. Add the tags and the salvage and that's way better than L4's.
As for that idiot from Goon, saying you don't understand isk vs risk, obviously you do. As commented by others, the Risk of having your NH blown up by the Environment is already high, to add on the risk of being snared in losec, you might as well just go ratting/plexing.
so pulling in a CNR every few days say 3 at 3 missions a day and LP change sounds reasonable with almost no risk? ˇˇbeing snared in losecˇˇ is this what carebears call it? its like they are injured rabbits or something.  |
XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.10 21:56:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Facial Anomaly
Call me a carebear, a mission runner a loser, I do not care.
I LOVE MISSIONS.
I LOVE NOT GETTING KILLED.
K. Keep doing missions then. |
Red Raider
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.10 23:38:00 - [ 15]
Sounds to me like you don't know what your doing as a mission runner. |
Sep'Shoni
Gallente
Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 01:08:00 - [ 16]
Not supported.
I'm a terribly timid carebear with zilch for PVP skills and even less interest. I like to mine ore, make stuff, sell stuff, and do a little missioning for a change of pace.
But I understand that the trade-off for my personal playstyle is that some of the most profitable and challenging PVE experiences -- such as level 5 missions -- are unavailable to me.
OP needs to make a choice -- either accept the risk of missioning in low-sec or accept the fact that he's advanced as far as his personal playstyle permits and find something else to do.
Its a big game with plenty of options. But if you choose to put some options off-limits to yourself that's your own, personal choice and not a reason to redesign the game. |
Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 01:27:00 - [ 17]
More reward, with less risk?
No thanks.
/Ben
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives |
Posted - 2010.02.11 02:48:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Mr Stark
Nothing makes people more angry than people moaning about how doing stuff is dangerous.. Well, sharks make me angrier, but hey, thats just me.
Yeah sharks are something of a concern, personally I tend to think about the jellyfish more they are just more creepy then sharks, at least I can understand sharks. |
GIGAR
Caldari |
Posted - 2010.02.11 07:17:00 - [ 19]
I suggest we move lvl4 missions to lowsec, and lvl5 missions to 0.0 (pirate regions).
Risk/Reward system fixed! |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari
We Don't Need This POS Anyway
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:16:00 - [ 20]
The merely fact that you dont know how to get l5 mission in highsec means you are not just a carebear, you are an loser.
Eve is all about making ISK by thinking, by trying and experementing with EVE "tools".
And about risking.
Good carebear not just will go to low/0.0/WH space, it will love to live there. As yes, good carebear will not let kill himself no matter there he is. And even if he'll be killed, he will take another prepared ship from hanger and will continue to carebearing.
Bad carebear will be killed in highsecs... eh, no, not necessary by NPCs.
Higsec carebearing need to be nerfed, not boosted.
No, core thing like concord presend should not be changed, but income from highsec agent-running should be greatly nerfed. Both by reducing LPs reward and loot/salvage drop in highsecs.
While same LPs and loot/salvage should be boosted in low.
All lowsec plexed aslo need great boost.
Yours,
God of Carebearing
no, this isnt alt. |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari
We Don't Need This POS Anyway
|
Posted - 2010.02.14 23:23:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Facial Anomaly
It's the having to request from losec that bugs me. Can get easily snagged outside the station while in 200m isk of implants.
OMG if you allow youself to pod in lowsecs, you are even more loser then i thought. Do you even know that there is no bubbles alowed in low? Normaly pod-killing in low occurs only on trial-noobs, twinks (with which owner just dont care if it'll be poded), or.... hm, compite losers like you. |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari
We Don't Need This POS Anyway
|
Posted - 2010.02.14 23:32:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
So join a corp that works to secure an area of lowsec from gankers so that you can run missions in relative safety.
Or you could sulk and threaten to quit the game because you don't understand ISK vs risk I guess.
Correct me if wrong but arent lvl 4s still the better option for making isk?
No, actualy even 0.0 l4s less profitable at max rate carebearing then l5 running. Even if that l5 running in higsecs (like with hysera agent). 150m/h was my normal income then i lived in hysera. And yes, thats include all the time i use for makinh ISK from l5s, include manufacruring, reprocessing, placing anf changing buy/sell orders, logistig to jita and back, and time to place and recheck your contracts. In some low income possible can overcome 1b/h. Although ofcorse thats mean control of nearby lowsecs by aliance or at least big corporation. Even if you dont have such luxury, solo runner still can hope for about 200m+ income in lowsecs. Provide he do know how to care for himself, and willing to do that. |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari
We Don't Need This POS Anyway
|
Posted - 2010.02.14 23:41:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: GIGAR
I suggest we move lvl4 missions to lowsec, and lvl5 missions to 0.0 (pirate regions).
Risk/Reward system fixed!
Some l4s (not all though, at least high quality) indeed should be moved in lowsec. Althogh moving l5s to 0.0 space is very bad idea. Fisrt of all that will mean insane income by doing l5s in 0.0, which is simply make l4s agents in 0.0 worthless. and will greatly mess with pirate LP-shops market. Second, 0.0 running usualy less risking then lowsec running, as agents space usualy controled by an alliance (even though they cant claim it). Which mean not just more ISK, its mean more ISK with less risk, which is again complitely against EVE stile. Lastly, 0.0 space is already boosted alot (especialy in Dominion), while lowsec space still need to be boosted. CCP tried to boost it with FW, but mosty fail. Most of lowsec systems still complitely empty. |
Allen Ramses
Caldari
Zombicidal Mania
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:48:00 - [ 24]
I have two words for level 5 mission running: Natural Selection.
I say CCP ought to allow a few level 5 agents in key systems to bait those who think bigger is better. The wise ones will realize that level 4 missions are many times more profitable, while the stupid ones will continue to be totally oblivious to having a negative ISK flow. After all, most (if not all) level 5 missions are garbage. Anybody who runs them, HiSec or not, needs to have his head examined.
I fully support this great opportunity to allow Darwinism into the mission running sector. |
Abyss Wyrm
Caldari
We Don't Need This POS Anyway
|
Posted - 2010.02.15 01:30:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Allen Ramses
I have two words for level 5 mission running: Natural Selection.
I say CCP ought to allow a few level 5 agents in key systems to bait those who think bigger is better. The wise ones will realize that level 4 missions are many times more profitable, while the stupid ones will continue to be totally oblivious to having a negative ISK flow.
You are very wrong here. Currently i am doing l5 outside of my alliance control zone, and i am in greater profit that any 0.0 citizens can hope for, even though it is pretty risky now to do missions at... where i am. L4s in highsecs cant give even half of my current income. Yes, thats include realy profitable highsec systems like Aphend. Quote:
After all, most (if not all) level 5 missions are garbage. Anybody who runs them, HiSec or not, needs to have his head examined.
Oh realy? So you said that 86k LP which can be done in 15 minutes of blitzing l5, and then doing about 170m ISK out of those 86k LP is garbage? |
Kindra Blades
Cybernetic Innovations |
Posted - 2010.02.20 04:38:00 - [ 26]
Edited by: Kindra Blades on 20/02/2010 04:39:15
I'm a fellow carebear =)
But L5's should be extremely difficult with their payouts. Thus being said, if you want to make a ton of ISK, do it in low sec. L1's - L4's already have a risk of ninja salvagers we gotta watch for. L5's should add more risk by putting you in more harms way. Just as miners have to do for better ore.
not supported. |
Irongut
Sex Money Guns |
Posted - 2010.02.20 07:49:00 - [ 27]
Level 5 missions are supposed to be higher risk due to their higher rewards. They were also invented to try to make you go to low sec. So no. |
Slade Hoo
Amarr
Retired Gunslingers |
Posted - 2010.02.20 08:14:00 - [ 28]
EVE is not highsec. Eve is highsec+lowsec+0.0. If you wanna stick to only 1/3 of the content, you only get 1/3 of the missions.
Never heard of a wow-player that complains about not getting epic items at noob agents. |
Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2010.02.20 08:51:00 - [ 29]
Please lock |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2010.02.20 10:45:00 - [ 30]
See devblog. There will be a lot more carebear stuff soon, it just won´t be in highsec. |
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