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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.25 13:51:00 - [1]
 

Mass testing will take place this Wednesday, 27 January at 17:00 UTC in order to investigate the source of the current lag in large fleet fights. We would appreciate as many players as possible joining us so that we can identify and isolate any issues and work on fixing them as soon as possible.

Ideally we are looking at having between 100-400 players for this test which will involve players being split into two separate fleets in FD-MLJ. One fleet will be set as campers while the second fleet will invade using the jump gates into the system. During this time we will use special debugging code to help us identify any problem areas of jump mechanics and system loading.

CCP and ISD personnel will be available in the "MassTesting" channel to answer questions and help players in general.

We appreciate your time and assistance on helping us with this mass test. Details on how to connect to Singularity can be found here.

ArmagedonLT
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.01.25 14:17:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: ArmagedonLT on 25/01/2010 14:18:25
quoting the failure
Quote:
reported by CCP Navigator | 2010.01.25 13:52:59 | NEW

Mass testing will take place this Wednesday, 23 January at 17:00 UTC

Pharexia
Posted - 2010.01.25 14:41:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Pharexia on 25/01/2010 14:42:09
I hope the QA dept then is going to do an internal war using 1k if everything comes up looking good....
400 may be a lot for Sing but im worried you guys arent going to hit the magical lag number. What looks good at 400 can easily fall apart once you hit 1000 or more, sadly I know that from experience having the pleasure of working with Oracle on a daily basis. Might not be a bad idea to spawn a couple hundred bots on both sides consisting of your typical BS, Dread, and a couple of titans to get the numbers up. This is of course assuming that nothing is detected during the first pass.
In either case I would try to hit at least 400 if not more, but then again dont know what exactly this test is going to entail.

RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:16:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: RoCkEt X on 25/01/2010 15:16:05

can we hotdrop? Shocked

Vincent Jarjadian
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:16:00 - [5]
 

Can you look into the current problems associated with joining fleets

half the time the fleet window never shows the fleet and all the people in the fleet channel show blue or green, instead of purple.

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:20:00 - [6]
 

Maybe this is a weird thought, but how about you guys(you being ccp) join a reinforced node and endure the same things we have to endure and collect data during those fleet fights, cause 9 out of 10 times the stress tests on sisi are far from being representative of the real internet spaceship thing.

Ga'len
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:22:00 - [7]
 

Why are you not looking at the logs on TQ to obtain this information?

Want to gather useful data, look at all the fleet battle requests. That will show you where the large fights will be. No need to worry about getting enough people together to test a fight, look at the real data for a change.

Gather data from the live production system. After all, that's where the problem is occurring on a regular basis.

This stuff has been tested to death on the test server and it's done nothing to resolve the issues in production.

Watch the large fleet battles on TQ, that's where you need to look, that's where the real data for the problems will be found.

Using a test server that can't handle 500 people online at the same time will do NOTHING to help you on this one.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:30:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 25/01/2010 15:33:32
Originally by: Ga'len
Why are you not looking at the logs on TQ to obtain this information?


Originally by: CCP Navigator
During this time we will use special debugging code...


That answer your question?

Seriously guys, you are not experts on the debugging and testing procedure for this game. Is it really necessary to all but directly accuse the people who are of not knowing what they're doing?

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:36:00 - [9]
 

I'll be there and please guys, use your head, you are not working for CCP, you don't know what kind of data they can get and how useful it will be, so stop commenting and let them do their job. Sisi is also probably not TQ in terms of performance.

Vuk Lau
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:46:00 - [10]
 

I hope we will gather more people then last time where most of the pilots were from Atlas and Morsus Mihi.

Morsus Mihi will open TS again for everyone, but it would be nice if someone else can open TS for opposing fleet.


Anyway W fleet, best fleet.

MacaMan
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:54:00 - [11]
 

Without specifying the data they need, this WILL be another failure, another waste of time, another patchpatchinpatch. Whatever data they "collect" there real server will keep same old "our logs shows nothing...everything is fine on server side".

Tarhim
Caldari
Posted - 2010.01.25 15:56:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ga'len

Gather data from the live production system. After all, that's where the problem is occurring on a regular basis.



You do know that in general debug-level logging slows system considerably, right? So now try to picture screams that will be heard when CCP will try to apply it on TQ during actual battle.

Drenan
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.01.25 16:03:00 - [13]
 


What happened to 'InfiniBand'...did it ever go live?

And would it make any difference to fleet lag?


Merbok
Gallente
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2010.01.25 16:13:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Merbok on 25/01/2010 16:14:48
Really appreciate the effort CCP. I want to play the game you advertised in your dominion trailer, it looks really cool.

I would love to see you have a presence in system when the lag happens. For instance, p-2 was a mess yesterday. A truly epic battle could have taken place (and there have been dozens of lag blocked battles before it I know). Just knowing that one of your top guys or gals is there and seeing what is happening would make me feel better. I am sure you do have front row seats... but just confirm that for us from time to time.

p.s. the whole way home to eurgrana we heard stories about how people remember when you couldn't even have 40 player battles etc. etc. or people telling other people to go play wow and lag with 60 people on the field before complaining. Although I agree with them that you guys have the best technology, make it better please Very Happy

I will try and do my part and be there for the test

Tokp Lotas
nXo
Posted - 2010.01.25 16:28:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tokp Lotas on 25/01/2010 16:28:20
Tokp Lotas, Head Manager of eve-online.es

www.eve-online.es will provide a dedicated TeamSpeak 3 server for this Test. This dedicated server has 512 slots, shouldn't be a problem to hold all the ppl in the test server.

I just created a channel for the test server with 4 subchannels: Red Team, Blue Team, Test and FC


Server Data:

IP: 91.121.221.83
Port: 9987

You need the last version of TS3 to join the server

De Guantanamo
Posted - 2010.01.25 16:35:00 - [16]
 

Shut down tranquility, contact major alliances and have them CTA until this crap gets taken care of.

Otherwise you're just gonna get a few hundred people which is completely useless.

Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.01.25 16:57:00 - [17]
 

Recopied and updated my Sisi folder because of this. Look forward to seeing you guys. Very Happy

Lord Helghast
Posted - 2010.01.25 17:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Vincent Jarjadian
Can you look into the current problems associated with joining fleets

half the time the fleet window never shows the fleet and all the people in the fleet channel show blue or green, instead of purple.


i can vouch for this has happened like 15 times to me already since 1.1

ZombieFX
Posted - 2010.01.25 18:06:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: ZombieFX on 25/01/2010 18:14:41
Hope "just 400ppl" will do it.
I noticed the real lag starts on 500-600+

But i guess i will join in^^

Lenaras
Posted - 2010.01.25 19:16:00 - [20]
 

Perhaps CCP should offer something to players to help out in this.
I pay my monthly fee to play the game & expect it to work.
Yes I know there will be issues from time to time & I'm not whining about any of them.
I'm simply saying that if you want us the players to help you fix the game,
perhaps a small token of gratitude should be in order.
Hell, even some sort of useless medal from CCP would get me to help out.
But until then I will stay on Tranquility & deal with it.

Caladain Barton
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.01.25 20:07:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Caladain Barton on 25/01/2010 20:09:26
CCP. Listen very, very carefully. YOU WILL NOT GET THE NUMBERS YOU NEED. You won't. Not unless you contact *both* sides of a conflict and *SHUT DOWN * the nodes in that combat theatre. Get ahold of the alliance leaders, do it in their prime time, and We'll pull CTA's and fill that test server with hardened FC's and blood thirsty fleets.

You won't get your data otherwise, and this test will be as big of a failure as the last one. Please take drastic action...contact the Alliance leaders, shut down the combat zones, and you'll get your numbers.

You want to replicate large fleet battles. Guess what you need to replicate...large combat fleets. Only a couple places to find those in eve..and we won't disappear from our homes by announcing CTA's for the test server...the havoc our enemies would cause will keep us on TQ and you won't get anything for your test. Please CCP. Stop Failing at basic logic. We're willing to work with you, if you'll take these things as serious as we do.

Majst0r
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.01.25 20:15:00 - [22]
 

Will participate, same as last time.

SamuraiJack
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.25 20:52:00 - [23]
 

Stop adding crap.

Do another bug only patch. Fix stuff. Nail down what you have right now.

And for the love that all is Quafe... DO MORE FRACKING QA.

There are ppl reporting bugs on Sisi. WHY are they STILL getting to TQ. I reported loads before dom 1.0... they still got to server.

Something is wrong. Either you dont have enough time to properly vet a release. or your bug crushing is not being revisioned properly and you are reintroducing the same bugs again and again.

Either way. HTFU and sort it.

Tekai Foo
German Kings
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2010.01.25 21:09:00 - [24]
 

ME will be coming as well. I hope the node is reinforced ;)

Caladain Barton
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.01.25 21:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Ideally we are looking at having between 100-400 players for this test which will involve players being split into two separate fleets in FD-MLJ. One fleet will be set as campers while the second fleet will invade using the jump gates into the system. During this time we will use special debugging code to help us identify any problem areas of jump mechanics and system loading.



Just so you're aware, 400 people won't replicate it. You need 200 in the fleet jumping in, and 300 in the fleet guarding. Put bubbles on the gate, camping fleet with drones out and assigned to interceptors. Camping fleet in Sniper BS setup at range on the gate. Put a pair of 0.0 Fleet FC from a large alliance in charge of both fleets.

Oh..and 100 Sure won't replicate...400 *might* but 500 *will*. Anything less and you're wasting time. Just so you know.

Tudum Zagorac
Gallente
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2010.01.25 21:41:00 - [26]
 

We will try to come cause Vuk have sexy nipples.Ofc if we don't fail cascade in meantime.

Darth Skorpius
m3 Corp
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.01.25 21:44:00 - [27]
 

sadly this test will be at 6am for me, so ill probably miss it, otherwise i would love to be there

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2010.01.25 22:06:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: SamuraiJack
And for the love that all is Quafe... DO MORE FRACKING QA.


Well, you see this thread right here? the thing it's organizing?

Yeah. This IS QA.

SamuraiJack
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.01.25 22:41:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: SamuraiJack
And for the love that all is Quafe... DO MORE FRACKING QA.


Well, you see this thread right here? the thing it's organizing?

Yeah. This IS QA.


Its not even close to it. Its "**** dudes... we screwed up. Lets throw some debugging code up and try fix it again"

McEivalley
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.25 22:51:00 - [30]
 

Add a free day to my subscription as compensation for all the kicks, hours of failed re-logging attempts and general dissatisfaction from this situation and I will bother re-installing a sisi client and joining the fray.



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