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Kail Storm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.17 08:44:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kail Storm on 17/01/2010 08:50:05
Ok guys first off I want to say I understand there is never an "Ultimate Ship" in all situations especially in a class as tight as the BC`s but my Question is IYO`s What is the king of the BC`s besides drake. [Ships most likely to give advantage in most situations]

Before the Proectile buff IMo the unofficial ranking and most posts I read were...

Solo:
Drake IMO was definate king. With 75k ehp/600 DPS

Harby was very close winner over most Canes

Cane could win by using speed but edge was in favour of Harby slightly

Myrm had its moments but was kind of the last.


Small group
Drake with its Hm outfitting and 80km range there isnt many small groups it wasn`t great for.

Harby and Cane again was a toss up, with harby taking the range/Scorch advantage.

Myrm

Fleet
Harby since it could RR and has the best [EM] Dmg type overall also scorch kills

Cane RR and great speed

Drake still usually was shot at and destroyed last and has great DPS/EHP but usually without RR support.

Myrm


So I guess my question is did the projectiles buff change positions for the Cane/Harby did the small advantage push the Cane over the edge?

How would the Cane or Harby edge out victorys? What has more ways to help the pilot win?

Also what is the best between Cane and Harby in fights with other shipclasses? Has the Proj buff really changed alot in the way of tactics?

Some of you might not agree with my rankings but it seemed to be the over all feelings of most guys in all pre Proj buff threads.

I stil think overall the Ham Drake or HM drake is the best with 75k EHP and great range in 600 DPS/20k range versions and the 500 DPS 80k range version, but I am looking into training my second races BC weapons for pure PVP and am trying to see what makes more sense, also what races command ship is best will play a role.

Thanks guys

Psiri
Posted - 2010.01.17 08:56:00 - [2]
 

Cane probably wins now with the changes to projectiles. It has a good mix of speed, agility and variable damage types. It's not dependant on drones either like the Myrmidon, which makes it cheaper and also more effective under sentry fire.

The Cane also has utlity highslots which can be used for neuts.

The difference is not big enough however for there to be any clear cut winner, at least not outside of 0.0.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2010.01.17 08:59:00 - [3]
 

Nothing changed. The Hurricane is still slightly behind on gank, but compensates for it with amazing speed. The Harbinger is still the best pure gank BC if all you care about is 25km dps. The Drake is still a solid combination of tank, range, and dps. The Myrmidon and all tier-1 BCs still suck for anything other than reprocessing to build Drakes/Hurricanes/Harbingers.


The only thing that changed is that the Hurricane closed the dps gap a bit compared to the Harbinger/Drake.

Tasmine Ralo
Posted - 2010.01.17 15:44:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Psiri
Cane probably wins now



Being a 'Cane pilot id agree with this in fleet at least. A well skilled Drake pilot is still top due to the amazing tank they can get so for solo work I would never engage a competent Drake pilot.
Any other BC im happy to 1v1 though.

rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2010.01.17 18:47:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
The Myrmidon and all tier-1 BCs still suck for anything other than reprocessing to build Drakes/Hurricanes/Harbingers.



my XL-boosted cyclone would like to have a word with you

also, triple rep myrm 4tw

Kaian Voskhod
Posted - 2010.01.17 18:59:00 - [6]
 

PHEAR THE PROJECTILE SHIELD BUFFERED MYRM Twisted Evil

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.18 02:17:00 - [7]
 

But isnt the Xl boosted clone a little to cap hungry and nuetable for a true 1 v 1?

Also isnt the laser myrm better than the projectile?

rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2010.01.18 05:31:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kail Storm
But isnt the Xl boosted clone a little to cap hungry and nuetable for a true 1 v 1?



who said anything about a 1v1? this is a comparison of the relative strengths of BCs

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.18 05:58:00 - [9]
 

Ok fine an XL booster seems like a major liability since Cap is so important. Seems to me that 1 nuet=failure

Maybe im wrong.

James Tritanius
Posted - 2010.01.18 06:11:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kail Storm
But isnt the Xl boosted clone a little to cap hungry and nuetable for a true 1 v 1?

Also isnt the laser myrm better than the projectile?


No. At least for the standard active tanked myrms. Lasers suck too much cap and is therefore not viable unless you plate fit the myrm.

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2010.01.18 09:17:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 18/01/2010 09:19:48
drake, hurricane and harbinger, myrm all of them offer some kind of advantage, but the numbers are very close and only shift in favor of the racial fighting style.

in short, there is no king, tier 2 bc are the best balanced ships in game.

Originally by: James Tritanius
No. At least for the standard active tanked myrms. Lasers suck too much cap and is therefore not viable unless you plate fit the myrm.

frigate sized lasers are actually a very good choice for a myrm, they can hit out to web ranges and **** frigates that think they can evade your gun dps and kill the drones.

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2010.01.18 11:19:00 - [12]
 

Shield Hurricane and Drake fulfil rather different roles as BC, so the increased effective DPS of the Hurricane doesn't really change the balance between the two. In a 1v1, a shield Cane now has a better chance of killing a Drake, but I still wouldn't expect it to win... just like I wouldn't expect the Drake to win either.

As for armour brick Hurricane, well, it's still inferior to the Drake. And (probably) the shield Tempest.

Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
Posted - 2010.01.18 18:11:00 - [13]
 

The cane is definitely a lot better at applying its dps than before the patch, as it can pick damage types a lot more effectively.

As someone above said, the tier 2 BCs are superbly balanced atm, and all but the drake have a decent variety of set-ups for solo and gang work.

Personally, I still favor the harby but that doesn't mean its best :P

Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.01.18 19:29:00 - [14]
 

Cane was always better than the harbinger atleast solo hands down! Even threw all the laser hype and that never changed. The wide spread love of the drake is not a hype but hella annoying. Before (dom) i found it hard to beat drakes solo in a cane not so much with the new emp which makes it more of an even playing field. Generaly you would have to active/buffer your cane to get the preformance of the drake and win that fight! but you could already do it before dom, again the cane still shows how great it is.

The weakness of the harbinger v the cane was just resist tbh! The cane could do all exp and the harbinger was hitting the canes highest resist so it failed hardcore. The harbinger excels in fleets and should stay there! The mrym has always been one of the best bc's and can tank any other bc with just a duel rep fit which tended only to be bested by neut canes atleast when the mrym only fit one cap booster instead of 2.

Other than that the duel rep mrym (solo) can beat the drake everytime no problems. The best overall bc though is the drake, second the hurricane/Mrymidon and harbinger last!


The brutix is still the best teir 1 bc and the cyclone comes a close second...

Because im cheap and pvp cost IsKY i think the Duelrep/brutix is the best bc cost to the preformance solo no?

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2010.01.18 22:01:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Proxyyyy
Because im cheap and pvp cost IsKY i think the Duelrep/brutix is the best bc cost to the preformance solo no?



No. Thanks to the broken insurance system, battlecruiser hulls are free (in fact my latest BC will actually give a small profit when it explodes), so the only cost difference for the higher-tier ship is a couple more slots to fill. There is no longer any reason to use the terrible tier-1 ships.

Originally by: rubico1337
my XL-boosted cyclone would like to have a word with you


You mean a ship that loses quite a bit of dps compared to the Hurricane in exchange for a mediocre tank? Not only is it not that much tank once you fit MWD/point/cap booster, but your cap is gone so fast that you're better off just buffer tanking it.

Quote:
also, triple rep myrm 4tw


Sorry, but no. Triple rep Myrmidon = bad Dominix. Just get the Dominix instead.

Psiri
Posted - 2010.01.18 22:59:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Psiri on 18/01/2010 22:59:20
Quote:
also, triple rep myrm 4tw


Sorry, but no. Triple rep Myrmidon = bad Dominix. Just get the Dominix instead.


Not really fair to say I think. Depending on wether or not you rig the Dominix the 3 x rep Myrmidon either burst tanks better or is cheaper, aswell as sporting better agility either way.

A Myrmidon is also a significantly less threatening target and it's a lot easier getting people to engage you in a Myrmidon than in a Dominix.

Warhonger
Posted - 2010.01.18 23:10:00 - [17]
 

I'v been fighting with corp mates yesterday with me in my trusty drake. Drake currently owns anything I beated a blaster ferox, a harbinger, a cyclone, a hurrican, a blaster brutix and another drake.

I beated the cyclone and blaster brutix together. I'd like to note I was not using a full tank drake used a propper pvp fitted drake with tackle and everything on it.


 

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