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Vahligmarr
Minmatar
Tribal Core
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:47:00 - [1]
 

server is named now come together?

google stopped the censorized version of google.cn already, why not put together tranq and the chinese server now.

will pump lots of fresh blood in the eve-universe...Wink

Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2010.01.15 20:50:00 - [2]
 

Yeah, but Google might also be closed and removed from China because of their decision to go against the government's Internet laws.

Things are still unfolding and have yet to run their course, let's not jump the boat and see what happens first.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.01.15 21:02:00 - [3]
 

Serenity is run by a separate company using the eve code under license IIRC.

Pesets
The Hunt Club
Posted - 2010.01.15 21:16:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Vahligmarr
will pump lots of fresh blood in the eve-universe...Wink


Realistically, they'd just blob us into oblivion tbh. From what i heard, they've got one huge alliance holding all of their server's 0.0, and something tells me that infiltrating it could prove kinda problematic Rolling Eyes

Sanctus Maleficus
Lambent Enterprises
Enforcers of Serenity
Posted - 2010.01.15 21:26:00 - [5]
 

A merge is impossible due to sov mechanics... who gets system X when its got sov on both servers?

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.01.15 21:29:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus
A merge is impossible due to sov mechanics... who gets system X when its got sov on both servers?


BoB does.

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2010.01.15 22:25:00 - [7]
 

Blizzard have managed to make a cross realm LFG tool. I am sure that CCP can make a cross server LFF tool for Eve.

woot, keep going boys, we will get World of Hulkaggedoncraft in no time at all.

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.01.15 22:29:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus
A merge is impossible due to sov mechanics... who gets system X when its got sov on both servers?
IIRC, they're using a completely different map from us. I could be mis-remembering that, though.

alt9854
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:04:00 - [9]
 

Out of curiosity,how many people are actually on the Chinese server?

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:13:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Cyprus Black on 15/01/2010 23:19:34
At the risk of sounding racist, hell no! No Chinese in Tranquility. Nothing against legitimate Chinese MMO players, but the vast majority of the spammers and isk farmers come from that country.

Letting Chinese players into Tranquility opens the floodgates of spammers and isk farmers into the game. You think they're bad now, you should see the Serenity server.

No thanks.

Plus it'll never happen. China has an iron curtain of censorship. No way will the government allow its citizens to speak and intermingle with people from the outside world.

Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:25:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Sgt Blade on 15/01/2010 23:26:57
Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 15/01/2010 23:19:34
At the risk of sounding racist, hell no! No Chinese in Tranquility. Nothing against legitimate Chinese MMO players, but the vast majority of the spammers and isk farmers come from that country.

Letting Chinese players into Tranquility opens the floodgates of spammers and isk farmers into the game. You think they're bad now, you should see the Serenity server.

No thanks.

Plus it'll never happen. China has an iron curtain of censorship. No way will the government allow its citizens to speak and intermingle with people from the outside world.


flood gates? serenity only seems to have about 4k people at most at a time and im fairly sure that only a fraction of those are isk farmers so generally will not effect the TQ server too much.

it would be nice for the servers to merge, that way I can at least see my Chinese friends fly in the same server as me YARRRR!!

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:39:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sgt Blade
Edited by: Sgt Blade on 15/01/2010 23:26:57
Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 15/01/2010 23:19:34
At the risk of sounding racist, hell no! No Chinese in Tranquility. Nothing against legitimate Chinese MMO players, but the vast majority of the spammers and isk farmers come from that country.

Letting Chinese players into Tranquility opens the floodgates of spammers and isk farmers into the game. You think they're bad now, you should see the Serenity server.

No thanks.

Plus it'll never happen. China has an iron curtain of censorship. No way will the government allow its citizens to speak and intermingle with people from the outside world.


flood gates? serenity only seems to have about 4k people at most at a time and im fairly sure that only a fraction of those are isk farmers so generally will not effect the TQ server too much.

it would be nice for the servers to merge, that way I can at least see my Chinese friends fly in the same server as me YARRRR!!
It's still not a decision that CCP can make. It's up to the Chinese government so good luck with that.

Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:41:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Cyprus Black
It's still not a decision that CCP can make. It's up to the Chinese government so good luck with that.


I know it's not CCP's decision, the Chinese government is slowly becoming more lenient with things so it's only a matter of time when things start to change, or at least I hope so.

Neyro7830
Gallente
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.01.15 23:54:00 - [14]
 

as far as I know, all MMOs operating in China have to be partially owned by a chinese company. Hence the seperate server, they have a different ruleset and such. Thats why they can't merge it. :(

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.01.16 00:37:00 - [15]
 

i dont see google lasting out on this one tbh


they are braking the laws of the country and well will be punished probably in some kind of banned or large financial way tbh

your reading into this to much i think , and i doubt it would work as well as you hope anyway


they ganged up to one massive alliance as well here we fight with each other so they would come in and kick the crap out of us.

ceaon
Posted - 2010.01.16 00:51:00 - [16]
 

google just made a step frontward because defense was involved

yep idiots use gmail to send defense related documents on attachments LaughingLaughing

Gunner Milia
Amarr
Please Don't Disband Us.
Posted - 2010.01.16 00:56:00 - [17]
 

First We'd have to come to an agreement of what name to form all alliances under one alliance. Then the server would have to add another eve universe to ours so that theres enough space. Then it would turn into an all out war between them and us. Would be an epic battle of epic proportions.

Would Be EPIC !.

AmarrettoDiAmarr
Posted - 2010.01.16 02:51:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 15/01/2010 23:19:34
At the risk of sounding racist, hell no! No Chinese in Tranquility. Nothing against legitimate Chinese MMO players, but the vast majority of the spammers and isk farmers come from that country.

Letting Chinese players into Tranquility opens the floodgates of spammers and isk farmers into the game. You think they're bad now, you should see the Serenity server.


Why would an ISK farmer play on the Chinese server? Who would they sell the ISK to? ISK/gold farmers tend to play on first world servers to sell to first world players. My guess is that, ironically, the % of farmers on the Chinese server is much lower than on Tranq.

Zartanic
Posted - 2010.01.16 03:06:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Zartanic on 16/01/2010 03:09:57
Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr
Originally by: Cyprus Black
Edited by: Cyprus Black on 15/01/2010 23:19:34
At the risk of sounding racist, hell no! No Chinese in Tranquility. Nothing against legitimate Chinese MMO players, but the vast majority of the spammers and isk farmers come from that country.

Letting Chinese players into Tranquility opens the floodgates of spammers and isk farmers into the game. You think they're bad now, you should see the Serenity server.


Why would an ISK farmer play on the Chinese server? Who would they sell the ISK to? ISK/gold farmers tend to play on first world servers to sell to first world players. My guess is that, ironically, the % of farmers on the Chinese server is much lower than on Tranq.



It' a bit more complicated than that. Chinese farmers cannot connect directly as their government won't allow it. So they have to use another country (Taiwan from memory) and use proxies. Therefore only organised farming tends to go on in Western servers. The problem is farming and bots is far more culturally accepted by the developers and players in China itself as Aion showed, which will certainly clash with Western servers and players. Even if a high proportion of players do not like botting it only takes a few to ruin a server. Serenity is basically trashed and unplayable with only a few thousand bothered to even play it.

The other problem is that the Chinese Government is far ahead of Western Governments in getting to grips with the internet, mainly as laws do not take years to get thorough. So there is a continuous stream of restrictive practise laws coming through China which would seriously affect any of us Western players if there was a merger. In fact it would kill EVE off. CCP would not be allowed to own the game for a start so we would be stuck with Chinese laws.

As someone said the way it could work is by having server links as they have in WOW. That would mean if the Chinese side gets shut down it will not unduly affect the whole game. But this only really works if the game is instanced (for battlegrounds or whatever) it would be impossible to do for general play I suspect.

China itself considers online money to be a serious and valuable commodity and all it's laws reflect that, including protectionist policies.

It would be great if China could connect to us but right now it would be nuts to even consider it. A License is the best any company can do and even then that's been attacked in a recent law as Blizzard found out when it tried to get heavy handed.


Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.16 11:29:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Zartanic

It' a bit more complicated than that. Chinese farmers cannot connect directly as their government won't allow it. So they have to use another country (Taiwan from memory) and use proxies.



I was in mainland China in the summer of 2008 and I could connect to TQ fine without doing anything fancy so technically they could all just play on TQ if they wanted (assuming nothing has changed since then but I am going again this Spring so I will be seeing if I can change skills)
but if I recall correctly even with a very decent internet connection I didn't even dare to go out and mission because of the lag


 

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