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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2009.12.26 06:29:00 - [ 61]
 Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Izzy Lizzy
Edited by: Izzy Lizzy on 25/12/2009 23:19:41
It's fitting to note that one of the greatest accomplishments of a society dedicated to stamping out the evil profit motive is a reliable murder weapon.
edit: And Tetris, I guess.
actually, if you consider the inherent human nature, it's not surprising.
communism, as a concept, has merit.
but if you mix it with the human nature, it's not surprising that it would ended like it has.
but this is stuff that starts to border political discussions, and I don't want to go any further.
Just an inch more for politics - you can say the same for capitalism and American democracy. This is why I favor the ownership and knowledge in the use of battle rifles by EVERYBODY. Because mass murder, enslavement, chrony capitalism, murderous non-consensual collectivism, and genocide - all of these things brought on in cases where a minority of people commanded governments over a disarmed majority and made such institutions and activities of tyranny a part of accepted systemic control. Where every cat has claws and every dog has teeth, you don't see one breed of dogs attempting to exterminate another, do we? Do tabby cats enslave siamese cats? And people might think that everybody being armed is a problem when they fall for the other zealous ideals fostered by those murderous minorities. That is, making people think that everybody else is the enemy and therefore some government is needed to control every thing to ensure safety. Whether it's a left-leaning motion that deems everybody too stupid to survive and needs to be controlled, or a rightward set that deems everybody too immoral to survive and needs to be controlled, it always ends in rights denied at the least and death camps at worst. (all such camps start out as "reeducation/relocation centers, by the way). Individuals, no matter what their ideals, are not motivated enough to "change the world" when they still have their own best interest to consider. So even if someone wants me dead, they still have to stoop low enough to do the job themselves and most people are not capable of doing that and those 2-percenters (people who can shoot you in the face and not feel any remorse) still have consequences to consider. It's only when governments are put in place to align a subset of sick people to do the dirty job and make things clean and easy for those who could not stomach it. Those film reels of death camps from 1930s Europe were made to show the higher commands how efficiently things were running. since not everybody who needs money will try to rob me, and not everybody who hates me will try to kill me, I would sooner take my chances with everybody being armed so nobody can install any systems whereby it even becomes approachable to rob people en mass and kill them. And that one in a million who, without attempting to elect a government to do their dirty work for them, tries to rob me or kill me with their own resources, will be doing so as a criminal for acts over which they can be dropped like a sack of wet meat. They will not be in uniforms or hiding behind badges. It's easier to fight one bad individual than one bad system. But a bad system cannot subjugate millions of individuals who are well armed and trained. |
JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service |
Posted - 2009.12.26 06:44:00 - [ 62]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Izzy Lizzy
Edited by: Izzy Lizzy on 25/12/2009 23:19:41
It's fitting to note that one of the greatest accomplishments of a society dedicated to stamping out the evil profit motive is a reliable murder weapon.
edit: And Tetris, I guess.
actually, if you consider the inherent human nature, it's not surprising.
communism, as a concept, has merit.
but if you mix it with the human nature, it's not surprising that it would ended like it has.
but this is stuff that starts to border political discussions, and I don't want to go any further.
Just an inch more for politics - you can say the same for capitalism and American democracy.
This is why I favor the ownership and knowledge in the use of battle rifles by EVERYBODY.
Because mass murder, enslavement, chrony capitalism, murderous non-consensual collectivism, and genocide - all of these things brought on in cases where a minority of people commanded governments over a disarmed majority and made such institutions and activities of tyranny a part of accepted systemic control.
Where every cat has claws and every dog has teeth, you don't see one breed of dogs attempting to exterminate another, do we? Do tabby cats enslave siamese cats?
And people might think that everybody being armed is a problem when they fall for the other zealous ideals fostered by those murderous minorities. That is, making people think that everybody else is the enemy and therefore some government is needed to control every thing to ensure safety. Whether it's a left-leaning motion that deems everybody too stupid to survive and needs to be controlled, or a rightward set that deems everybody too immoral to survive and needs to be controlled, it always ends in rights denied at the least and death camps at worst.
(all such camps start out as "reeducation/relocation centers, by the way).
Individuals, no matter what their ideals, are not motivated enough to "change the world" when they still have their own best interest to consider. So even if someone wants me dead, they still have to stoop low enough to do the job themselves and most people are not capable of doing that and those 2-percenters (people who can shoot you in the face and not feel any remorse) still have consequences to consider.
It's only when governments are put in place to align a subset of sick people to do the dirty job and make things clean and easy for those who could not stomach it. Those film reels of death camps from 1930s Europe were made to show the higher commands how efficiently things were running.
since not everybody who needs money will try to rob me, and not everybody who hates me will try to kill me, I would sooner take my chances with everybody being armed so nobody can install any systems whereby it even becomes approachable to rob people en mass and kill them.
And that one in a million who, without attempting to elect a government to do their dirty work for them, tries to rob me or kill me with their own resources, will be doing so as a criminal for acts over which they can be dropped like a sack of wet meat. They will not be in uniforms or hiding behind badges. It's easier to fight one bad individual than one bad system.
But a bad system cannot subjugate millions of individuals who are well armed and trained.
This man should be quoted in the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. |
Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising |
Posted - 2009.12.26 10:17:00 - [ 63]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
But a bad system cannot subjugate millions of individuals who are well armed and trained.
and no system, bad or good, can take into account the full spectrum of human nature. guns aren't the problem. people are. you can use a bayonet to trench meat, as far as I care, but it's you who decide to do it. there is also the "power corrupts" problem. I live in a country where you're only allowed to have hunting rifles, and you need to go thru quite the amount of red tape and paperwork to have one, and you still get people that might have enough weapons and ammo to start WW3. But tbh, I don't mind that, as long as the person is considered capable and doesn't go Desperado on anyone. tbh, in my view, as far as a foreigner's view is worth, I would say that the US simply needs more control on the weapon's proliferation, since the weapons are something that is ingrained in the American culture, as much as the Christmas is ingrained on Christians. but well, looks like this thread went the wrong way, so I'll put it on track: 7.52x54mmR > all |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2009.12.26 15:47:00 - [ 64]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
But a bad system cannot subjugate millions of individuals who are well armed and trained.
It's sweet that you're still so innocent and naive. Never change, Herzog. Never change. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2009.12.26 23:15:00 - [ 65]
Never touched a gun in my life but I like the p90 because it stores the bullets sideways. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.12.27 00:57:00 - [ 66]
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Death4free
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.27 01:15:00 - [ 67]
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
But a bad system cannot subjugate millions of individuals who are well armed and trained.
It's sweet that you're still so innocent and naive. Never change, Herzog. Never change.
I wanna pet him, he's so cute 
Oy you return to c&p posthaste Also yes lol at americans thinking that civilians armed with guns would be capable of overthrowing a government if it got ****ty Not like theres an army or anything that could be used to remove any "civilians causing public disruption" to a special camp or something to help them reintergrate into society or something |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2009.12.27 01:30:00 - [ 68]
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Irulan S'Dijana
Amarr
Drexler Burnum Inc.
Rising Phoenix Alliance |
Posted - 2009.12.27 06:18:00 - [ 69]
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2009.12.27 09:39:00 - [ 70]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Oh har har. Break my balls you will. 
If you want a P90 but can't get them but just gotta have that sideways mounting magazine thing (and round ejecting downward) there is an upper receiver assembly for the AR-15 that uses P90 magazine and a separate bolt assembly like that of a P90.
Not sure if I would get one because the caliber is in the "glorified nail gun" range.
I don't want one, I'll just look at pretty pictures of it. And from what an army-friend of mine told me, if you're going house-to-house or otherwise operated in confined spaces, their size makes assault rifles unpractical. I wouldn't of course have any experience with it but I can imagine that the short length, high rate of fire and light weight of PDW's would be an asset there. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.12.27 09:46:00 - [ 71]
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Haxfar Portlaind |
Posted - 2009.12.27 10:29:00 - [ 72]
Why is so many impressed by the AR-15 family?
6.5 Grendel have the precision and lesser recoil of the 5.56 NATO and the man-stopper effect of the 7.62x39mm |
Marko Riva |
Posted - 2009.12.27 10:40:00 - [ 73]
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Malaclypse Muscaria |
Posted - 2009.12.27 16:28:00 - [ 74]
I love the way AK-47 tastes and feels. Outstanding. I've got five of them babies growing right now, they are just over a month old. |
Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra |
Posted - 2009.12.27 17:59:00 - [ 75]
Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind
Why is so many impressed by the AR-15 family?
Because if you know how to aim it's a superior weapon. I've owned and shot both. I dumped the AK. I still have the AR. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.12.27 20:17:00 - [ 76]
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.12.28 03:24:00 - [ 77]
Edited by: Nathanial Victor on 28/12/2009 03:27:17
"....well then how the hell do we know which ones are the bad guys?"
"easy, their the ones holding the AKs"
To feed the discussion, i own both an m4 and a ak. each has their pros. if i had to run out the door with just one, it would be the m4 but like most, i'm partial due to experience w/ the weapon, ammo availability etc...
if you want the best of both worlds, a 6.8 upper on the m4 is hard to beat. hoping to getting around to buying one in the future.
i love the 556/223 and again, given the choice between ak and m4 i'll take the m4, but it really does trail in the stopping power department. |
Mathhew Kane
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari |
Posted - 2009.12.28 03:52:00 - [ 78]
Bah. When you absolutely positively have to kill every one in the field...M249.
As an US Army MP who served in Iraq, I got to play with all kinds of weapons. m249, M9, M-4, M203, Mk-19, The Mighty M-2.
I could never really get behind these "WHAT GUNZ R DA BEST" debates. Whatever weapon kills my enemy is the best. |
Vlad Cetes
Caldari
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent |
Posted - 2009.12.28 04:25:00 - [ 79]
I have both an AR and an AK. I prefer shooting the AK more. Which weapon would I take into the field? The AK. http://www.barrettrifles.com/home/rifle_rec7.aspx The best AR/AK hybrid (AR accuracy w/ a gas piston) and a 6.8mm round. Also for all you Mosin Nagant fanboys, Mauser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mosin. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.12.28 05:18:00 - [ 80]
Originally by: Mathhew Kane
Bah. When you absolutely positively have to kill every one in the field...M249.
Yup... BAM BAM BAM click Ka-choonk BAM BAM BAM click Ka-Choonk  |
Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising |
Posted - 2009.12.28 12:53:00 - [ 81]
Originally by: Mathhew Kane
Bah. When you absolutely positively have to kill every one in the field...M249.
As an US Army MP who served in Iraq, I got to play with all kinds of weapons. m249, M9, M-4, M203, Mk-19, The Mighty M-2.
I could never really get behind these "WHAT GUNZ R DA BEST" debates. Whatever weapon kills my enemy is the best.
once I saw a quote that was something like "if you want to take down someone, then you're better off with a .45cal, but for blowing up your own head, even a 9mm is too much." |
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