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Taikun
Gallente
Jovoso
Teldar Paper |
Posted - 2009.12.12 06:48:00 - [ 1]
According to EBanks own website
It has only recieved 29% of the server maintenance costs for 2009. This late in the year to you think the current board will pony up the $213 USD in cold hard cash to keep the server going?
Where is Ray McCormack? Hasn't posted in almost 2 weeks.Discussion of moderation removed. StevieSG has he also done a runner with the isk?
Inquiring minds are curious.
Discuss.
Taikun |
Lecherito |
Posted - 2009.12.12 06:55:00 - [ 2]
fail troll is f...right, so maybe you make a compelling point.
-L |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 07:09:00 - [ 3]
It's good to have you back Taikum, this forum hasn't had a proper troll in far too long.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 07:17:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 12/12/2009 07:18:46
Yeah!!! Another relevant, non-trolling post by Taikun. You're like a splash of cold water on my face in the morning.
By the way, although you don't deserve to be fed, your claims are false. And if there should ever be a situation where the hosting fees need paid and there are no funds available, I'll take care of it.
Edit: Oh and as always, thanks for worrying about us. We are glad you care enough to show your concern. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.12 09:27:00 - [ 5]
Should the bank of AC155 be unwiling to extend EBANK a loan, there is methods to reduce our cost.
Here's a hint: Our largest expense is the SQL database needed to handle EBANK. We can compress that easily, cutting our cost.
And the server is being hosted privately, not at a large corporate firm. We can easily keep the site alive. |
Sama's Minion |
Posted - 2009.12.12 11:58:00 - [ 6]
I have reported the OP for trolling, I have also reported him, for reporting my other post in cosmos thread, about flatulence; which gave me a 14 days posting ban.
Also posting to confirm that the OP is broke, and is MAD IRL about Internet Spaceships! |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens |
Posted - 2009.12.12 13:48:00 - [ 7]
The label "troll" gets applied undeservedly a lot on MD. This is an example of actual trolling. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.12.12 16:59:00 - [ 8]
 Originally by: Taikun
...It has only recieved 29% of the server maintenance costs for 2009. This late in the year to you think the current board will pony up the $213 USD in cold hard cash to keep the server going?
Taikun has raised a very reasonable concern. Is EBANK paying the fee? or are they swithcing the host? |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.12 17:23:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Taikun
...It has only recieved 29% of the server maintenance costs for 2009. This late in the year to you think the current board will pony up the $213 USD in cold hard cash to keep the server going?
Taikun has raised a very reasonable concern. Is EBANK paying the fee? or are they swithcing the host?
Did you read the thread? It is not a concern. It's a troll. And the troll has already been adressed |
Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2009.12.12 19:30:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Taikun has raised a very reasonable concern. Is EBANK paying the fee? or are they swithcing the host?
Seriously, what's your deal lately? I've been pretty damn surprised by some of your posts. |
Tiberizzle |
Posted - 2009.12.12 20:34:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Block Ukx
Taikun has raised a very reasonable concern. Is EBANK paying the fee? or are they swithcing the host?
Seriously, what's your deal lately? I've been pretty damn surprised by some of your posts.
As usual E-Bank disregards the very reasonable concern. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.12 21:42:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Tiberizzle
As usual E-Bank disregards the very reasonable concern.
Due all respect, care to explain how it's a reasonable concern? It has been addressed, and it has been pointed out that it's nothing but FUD. |
Tiberizzle |
Posted - 2009.12.12 22:19:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Tiberizzle on 12/12/2009 22:26:45 Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Tiberizzle
As usual E-Bank disregards the very reasonable concern.
Due all respect, care to explain how it's a reasonable concern?
It has been addressed, and it has been pointed out that it's nothing but FUD.
I don't see an explanation, a link to a post, or even so much as an identification of the thread in which an explanation can be found. I see a few people claiming that it has been addressed, which in a vacuum of detail is pretty much as meaningful as a few people claiming that it's an issue. After E-Bank wiped ass with their TOS, though, you'll have to excuse me if I give the forum trolls more credence. edit: unless you meant the bit about begging off AC155 was your explanation  It's also worth discussing what value E-Bank derives from the operation to continue to invest ~$300/yr into it, I think. |
The Slagh |
Posted - 2009.12.12 22:24:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
It's good to have you back Taikum, this forum hasn't had a proper troll in far too long.
Yeah, all we've had is Ray.  |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.12 22:41:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Tiberizzle
Edited by: Tiberizzle on 12/12/2009 22:26:45
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Tiberizzle
As usual E-Bank disregards the very reasonable concern.
Due all respect, care to explain how it's a reasonable concern?
It has been addressed, and it has been pointed out that it's nothing but FUD.
I don't see an explanation, a link to a post, or even so much as an identification of the thread in which an explanation can be found. I see a few people claiming that it has been addressed, which in a vacuum of detail is pretty much as meaningful as a few people claiming that it's an issue. After E-Bank wiped ass with their TOS, though, you'll have to excuse me if I give the forum trolls more credence.
edit: unless you meant the bit about begging off AC155 was your explanation
It's also worth discussing what value E-Bank derives from the operation to continue to invest ~$300/yr into it, I think.
Let me try again: The largest expense for EBANK is running our massive database. The expense of running it can be cut down by compressing the database and removing older entries. The server is privately also hosted by a person that is a good friend of the board. If we are unable to pay for the server cost for a period of time, the EBANK site won't go offline. |
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal |
Posted - 2009.12.12 22:54:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 12/12/2009 22:58:50 Originally by: LaVista Vista
Let me try again:
The largest expense for EBANK is running our massive database. The expense of running it can be cut down by compressing the database and removing older entries.
The server is privately also hosted by a person that is a good friend of the board. If we are unable to pay for the server cost for a period of time, the EBANK site won't go offline.
Interesting... I have to raise this question now: Who is that person? Is someone previously involved with eBank? Is Ricdic? Is Hexxx? So people who are donating real money are doing it to pay one of you? Maybe one of your friends? The worst thing is it doesn't matter the answer you are going to give, since you lie whenever it fits to bring people's concerns down.
Edit: You lieing only means tha we'll not know the truth, doesn't prove nor disprove that what I've said is true. We won't know. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.12 22:59:00 - [ 17]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 12/12/2009 23:02:18 Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Let me try again:
The largest expense for EBANK is running our massive database. The expense of running it can be cut down by compressing the database and removing older entries.
The server is privately also hosted by a person that is a good friend of the board. If we are unable to pay for the server cost for a period of time, the EBANK site won't go offline.
Interesting... I have to raise this question now: Who is that person? Is someone previously involved with eBank? Is Ricdic? Is Hexxx? So people who are donating real money are doing it to pay one of you? Maybe one of your friends? The worst thing is it doesn't matter the answer you are going to give, since you lie whenever it fits to bring people's concerns down.
Wow, talk about speculation. The person is not involved with EBANK, no. In fact, the person had never heard of EVE before we rented our initial hosting with him, which was our test-environment which we ran there for years. The money goes straight towards hosting, and we spend 14 bucks on a SSL certificate some months back. Wanna know who hosts the server? Here you go(I couldn't find the dedicated page he has to his hosting plans etc) EDIT: Just to clarify: When I state that he's a friend of the board, it's due to the fact that a majority has spoken to him at least once or twice. It's only people like OZ, AC155(I think?) and Sencnes who hasn't. |
Tiberizzle |
Posted - 2009.12.12 23:14:00 - [ 18]
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal |
Posted - 2009.12.12 23:16:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wow, talk about speculation.
The person is not involved with EBANK, no. In fact, the person had never heard of EVE before we rented our initial hosting with him, which was our test-environment which we ran there for years.
The money goes straight towards hosting, and we spend 14 bucks on a SSL certificate some months back.
Wanna know who hosts the server? Here you go(I couldn't find the dedicated page he has to his hosting plans etc)
EDIT: Just to clarify:
When I state that he's a friend of the board, it's due to the fact that a majority has spoken to him at least once or twice. It's only people like OZ, AC155(I think?) and Sencnes who hasn't.
I was looking forward to you rebating that you lie whenever it fits to accomplish your objectives or to bring concerns down to be honest, but surely you can't. On the speculative, it surely is speculative, and it is because I don't know what to expect next from eBank and because there is no way to know if anything of what you have said is true (maybe we can know that is him who is hosting the site, I don't know if it's technically possible to prove that, but we can't know if he is someone in-game). I have just ennounced posibilities, but the bad thing as I have already said is that we rely on your word and your word is worthless since you have outright lied knowing that you were in the recent past. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.12 23:28:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
(maybe we can know that is him who is hosting the site, I don't know if it's technically possible to prove that, but we can't know if he is someone in-game). I have just ennounced posibilities, but the bad thing as I have already said is that we rely on your word and your word is worthless since you have outright lied knowing that you were in the recent past.[/justify]
What have I lied about? Sure, I went out there and said that Ricdic only managed away with 250bill-ish and EBANK was going to be fine. But that was before we had any idea what state Ricdic left it in. If you count that as lying, then so be it. I can't really do anything about that. As for proving that he hosts it: Check the IP of w3bdevil.com and eve-bank.net. They are both located on the same ip-range. Originally by: Tiberizzle
I know the friendly attitude of support staff may seem unfamiliar to you guys, but in the industry it's referred to as "customer service". The fact that they don't respond to you with derision and deceit doesn't imply they intend to run a charity.
You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? It's a one-man operation. And we know this guy very well. |
Hexxx
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.12.12 23:43:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 12/12/2009 22:58:50
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Let me try again:
The largest expense for EBANK is running our massive database. The expense of running it can be cut down by compressing the database and removing older entries.
The server is privately also hosted by a person that is a good friend of the board. If we are unable to pay for the server cost for a period of time, the EBANK site won't go offline.
Interesting... I have to raise this question now: Who is that person? Is someone previously involved with eBank? Is Ricdic? Is Hexxx? So people who are donating real money are doing it to pay one of you? Maybe one of your friends? The worst thing is it doesn't matter the answer you are going to give, since you lie whenever it fits to bring people's concerns down.
Edit: You lieing only means tha we'll not know the truth, doesn't prove nor disprove that what I've said is true. We won't know.
Look...I'll make this very simple. I work for one of the Big 4 firms in the US. My current client is in the Fortune 50. I have worked in Asia, South America, and Europe. I have the means, and I'm willing to use those means to ensure that EBANK continues to run on whatever servers it's hosted on. |
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal |
Posted - 2009.12.12 23:46:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What have I lied about?
You guys lied about the api for a long time when you could have told the truth from the begining (at the end you found valid reasons to ask for it, but you lied about them for a long time anyways). As for you personally lieing just compare this two, same post. You were answering to a Sencnes explanation on how RMT was not an issue to eBank. Then some time later it becomes your main reason to ask for your customer's api. It is more about the ease to lie and the lack of scruples when doing so than the lies themselves tbh. It just makes me wonder on what else did you/are you lieing. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1176892#49 Originally by: LaVista Vista
I don't know who gives you information, if anybody.
But having dealt with the RMT aspect of things together with tellers for a long time now, I'm going to question this whole post.
First of all. I have yet to see a case of our system actually processing a negative ISK transfer. And I have no information that leads me to believe there's even code for it.
We do have an auditing tool that visualises the movement of ISK internally in our system. However all IP cross-referencing and the like is done manually.
The point about the deficit being partially caused by RMT is very valid. And the fact you refuse it is rather strange to me. Whatever information you base that conclusion on, I'd like to see.
As for us offering data to CCP, we do petition things every so often. However the data EBANK has in inherently unreliable because it can be manipulated with. So while we have offered CCP what we saw as benficial, they would be fools to take it.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Having dealt with the RMT aspect of things together with tellers for a long time now, I'm going to expand on this
We do have an auditing tool that visualises the movement of ISK internally in our system. However all IP cross-referencing and the like is done manually.
The point about the deficit being partially caused by RMT is very valid. But that would assume we have missed GM reversals which have gone through the system and hasn't been accounted for.
As for us offering data to CCP, we do petition things every so often. However the data EBANK has is inherently unreliable because it can be manipulated with. So while we have offered CCP what we saw as benficial, they would be fools to take it.
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RJ Nobel
Nobel Research and Development |
Posted - 2009.12.13 00:10:00 - [ 23]
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit |
Posted - 2009.12.13 01:32:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 13/12/2009 01:33:31 Originally by: Hexxx
Look...I'll make this very simple. I work for one of the Big 4 firms in the US. My current client is in the Fortune 50. I have worked in Asia, South America, and Europe.
I have the means, and I'm willing to use those means to ensure that EBANK continues to run on whatever servers it's hosted on.
Yes, well... if that doesn't prove dedication then what else? With hindsight, we might have been a little too harsh on Hexxx sending him on an exile path based on a purely subjective judgment. In my honest opinion, Ebank can no longer ignore the benefit of reintegrating a brilliant mind such as Hexxx in their management team, furthermore, Hexxx will complement Ray perfectly. |
Tiberizzle |
Posted - 2009.12.13 02:02:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Tiberizzle
I know the friendly attitude of support staff may seem unfamiliar to you guys, but in the industry it's referred to as "customer service". The fact that they don't respond to you with derision and deceit doesn't imply they intend to run a charity.
You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
It's a one-man operation. And we know this guy very well.
Yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I certainly don't have several years experience in system administration, nor do I currently run a hosting operation. If I did I'm sure we would never suspend and later terminate delinquent accounts regularly per our terms of service. In fact, the internet spaceship sob story would probably be more than enough to convince me to continue providing you service at a loss. Realistically, speaking to him several times each is the extent of your acquaintance with him by your own statement. I've still got a good friend from high school harassing me over a $6.00 dispute for a bnc account. Good luck with your "we know him so he'll give us free service" theory. I am sure it's going to work out splendidly. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.13 04:25:00 - [ 26]
Deleted quote removed. Navigator
I'm sorry but who are you?
I know LaVista Vista is a former two-term member of the SCM who has done a lot for this community and EvE in general but I'm afraid I don't know you. So, please who are you?
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr |
Posted - 2009.12.13 08:14:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Deleted quote removed. Navigator
I'm sorry but who are you?
I know LaVista Vista is a former two-term member of the SCM who has done a lot for this community and EvE in general but I'm afraid I don't know you. So, please who are you?
I am someone that didn't watch 1.2T isk be stolen from people that trusted me and someone that is not encouraging the current theft proposals by EBANK. The only reason LVV did any of those things was due to his position at EBANK. Now that EBANK is an utter failure and currently coming up with reasons to wipe out people's accounts, I hardly think that is applicable. What a joke response. What's next? -GV |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.13 08:38:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: LaVista Vista
What have I lied about?
You guys lied about the api for a long time when you could have told the truth from the begining (at the end you found valid reasons to ask for it, but you lied about them for a long time anyways). As for you personally lieing just compare this two, same post. You were answering to a Sencnes explanation on how RMT was not an issue to eBank. Then some time later it becomes your main reason to ask for your customer's api. It is more about the ease to lie and the lack of scruples when doing so than the lies themselves tbh. It just makes me wonder on what else did you/are you lieing.
I was asked to edit the post, because somebody found it disrespectful. The essence of it is still the same: RMT is a valid concern and Sencnes was over-excatterating. Do you really not have better examples? Because the API key one is a straw man, and I'm pretty sure that you are well aware of that. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.13 08:48:00 - [ 29]
Deleted quote removed. Navigator
What did I do to provoke that ad hominem? |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2009.12.13 08:54:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Tiberizzle
Yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I certainly don't have several years experience in system administration, nor do I currently run a hosting operation. If I did I'm sure we would never suspend and later terminate delinquent accounts regularly per our terms of service. In fact, the internet spaceship sob story would probably be more than enough to convince me to continue providing you service at a loss.
Realistically, speaking to him several times each is the extent of your acquaintance with him by your own statement. I've still got a good friend from high school harassing me over a $6.00 dispute for a bnc account. Good luck with your "we know him so he'll give us free service" theory. I am sure it's going to work out splendidly.
Hello, making more assumptions today, are we?  I stated that a large part of the board has spoken to him. However I speak to him on a regular basis over messenger. This isn't your average hosting company, it's one-man operation where payment is done via a manual paypal transaction. He won't kill the database if we are a day late. And he won't kill the site without talking to me/Ray. |
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