Posted - 2009.12.03 23:49:00 - [32]

 

Supported.

While its still broken I might as well use it.

Broken plexing mechanics are truly the death of FW.

Toss some LP for taking plexes while you're at it!

Posted - 2009.12.04 00:33:00 - [34]

 

It is good that now they ruin YOUR game too. My game has been ruined for a while and nobody does anything about it. Maybe now with all your tears CCP will take the time do fix FW.

Damar and friends are good because they expose the bugs and exploits. Its like a virus that forces the organism do adapt or die.

And honestly, of that is wrong about FW, all you care about is that the NPCs are imba an they don't get shot. They are valid points but you are ignoring the dozen or so bugs that exist and all the other shortcomings of FW.

I hope they destroy your game and undo all your month's work, see how it is.

Maybe then we can get a new one that works.

Posted - 2009.12.04 03:07:00 - [36]

 

Edited by: Eran Mintor on 04/12/2009 03:26:30
Didn't even know about these mechanics till now.

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Fact is that this is legit method at this moment, and every one knew it exists, if minmatar was not prepared for it they can only look at mirror.

And i find it funny how minmatar is crying about it while they had use some of the methods in caldari space on some scale all the time.

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Nah, sorry. This is not a 'legit' method just because CCP is too busy/lazy to fix the many issues of FW. These mechanics are not announced, so theres no way for the average FWer to know them unless they are revealed over time through word of mouth (this) or through extensive testing.

It seems you guys found this out on the Gallente front and have brought this plague to us. Thanks...point taken, can you quit being meta-gamers?

Posted - 2009.12.04 03:28:00 - [38]

 

Supported.

Posted - 2009.12.04 11:12:00 - [40]

 

Edited by: Bad Messenger on 04/12/2009 11:14:46

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

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Originally by: Tosi

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Actually i personally do care and i dont see any other way to get this to ccp's attention beside 'ruining' fw

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You guys already ruined it on the Gallente/Caldari front, so the reason for ruining the fun for the rest of the players is?

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If we ruined caldari/gallente front (wich we did not, on our wiev) we did it on legit way, not by using any bug or exploit.
I know that there was some cloaky plexing etc going on on both sides, but main attack was made purely legit ways destroying gallente ships and npc in plexes, you just lost your systems in legit ways.

You Ankh personally used lame methods most, so you ruined this game, you tried to made gallente to plex (ordered by ccp as you said) but they did not follow you. Never though why? They did not follow you because you were lame whiner who used standing exploits stabs and cloack and you did not want to pvp at all and still you whine how others do some tricks too. And all of that when you were CSM. You were model to us, example, how this game should be played, and we took some tips. SO YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED.

Posted - 2009.12.04 11:30:00 - [42]

 

Supported.

Fix this bug/exploit, as it gives an unfair advantage, and enforces/allows a war to be fought without fighting. Not what was intended I think.

Same arguments count for the timer bug.

Posted - 2009.12.04 12:07:00 - [44]

 

Posted - 2009.12.04 12:34:00 - [46]

 

I think its quite important to fix this right now because the alternative is having the result of the Amarrian/Minmatar front decided by cheesy near-exploits that will cheapen and diminish the results for all involved players.

I cannot believe that a majority of the 24th Crusade players would want to "win" the occupancy battles in their theatre through the efforts of a standings-loophole like this. It makes a mockery of corporations like 1PG and PIE and others who have by and large been fighting an honest war so far.

It is ridiculous that Caldari faction characters can contest Minmatar complexes without standings penalty to the Minmatar. Just as it would be ridiculous for Minmatar players to content Caldari complexes without standings penalty in the enemy faction.

This kind of "gaming" of the complex and occupancy system turns Faction Warfare into a farcical embarrassment for CCP and it needs to be quickly patched before the result of faction warfare and RP consequences from the conflict is decided by nothing more than shortsighted weakness in the core design.

Something needs doing and it needs doing now.

Posted - 2009.12.04 13:04:00 - [48]

 

Ironically, Damar and Ankh seem to have the same wish for FW:-

To Eliminate the Various Bugs and Exploits in order to make FW a more enjoyable experience for everyone involved.

Problem is, because they're going about it through such wildly different methods they end up butting heads so much that any attempt by the other to help balance out the mechanics gets lost in the Personal Arguements both by these two and their various supporters.

Let's just try to focus the arguements on the actual problems rather than the people, maybe we'll actually be able to achieve some improvements that way.

Oh, and Supported.

Posted - 2009.12.04 15:08:00 - [50]

 

Edited by: No Mauk''Ob on 04/12/2009 15:09:19

Originally by: Nephilim Xeno

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this op is a bit too one sided in favour to the minmatar for me to support, maybe someone should make a more neutral issue.

FW needs a complete overhaul. wardeccing, high sec security, plexes, missions and even system layout of the amarr/minamtar warzone.

we need Faction Warfare MkII

small fixes wont do much

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I would say that is only because 1) OP is in EM and 2) it's happening in Minmatar systems currently.

I don't believe we will get any changes if we request too broad of a stroke but smaller concerted efforts for the larger issues may net some gain. (this one, the timer bug being my two big ones right now)

Please reconsider giving your support to this Nephilim as you do seem to agree with the sentiment.


(edit for spelling and grammar)

Posted - 2009.12.04 15:16:00 - [52]

 

Would rather small progressive changes over several minor patches than wait for next year's new expansion.

Posted - 2009.12.04 16:48:00 - [54]

 

Originally by: sasawong

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Originally by: Nephilim Xeno

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this op is a bit too one sided in favour to the minmatar for me to support, maybe someone should make a more neutral issue.

FW needs a complete overhaul. wardeccing, high sec security, plexes, missions and even system layout of the amarr/minamtar warzone.

we need Faction Warfare MkII

small fixes wont do much

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Please do not take this comment seriously.He has only one side of the brain present. Amon xeno was not there.

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For those who don't know, Sasa here is refering to Nephelim Xeno's alt, Amon Xeno, a Gallente character in an NPC corp that follows him around with Remote repairers; sometimes in a guardian, sometimes in a BS, sometimes in an exequror. Also used amply to scout Minmatar numbers.

Xeno is not the only one that does it in either side, but is surely the most consistent, frequent, and the most famous.

Posted - 2009.12.04 17:31:00 - [56]

 

Edited by: Turbular Knight on 04/12/2009 17:31:14
Supported.

Posted - 2009.12.04 18:08:00 - [58]

 

Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 04/12/2009 18:38:51

Originally by: Nephilim Xeno

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i just think it would be better to have one big issue that covers all FW problems rather than multiple small ones that will all get ignored by the CSM 0.0 lobby anyway vOv

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There is a general "FIX FW!" thread here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1225788

The other thread I opened about post-DT plexing was thankfully noticed by a CSM member, and will be raised with CCP (again).

I am sorry that I gave the impression to be partial to the Minmatar in this case (it wouldn't be surprising, being in EM, but I try not to be when I look at game mechanics; the original post included a request to rebalance FW NPCs, for example).

Posted - 2009.12.05 01:39:00 - [60]

 

Seems like an easy fix for a big problem that shouldn't be there in the first place.