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Topic |
Katarina Romanov |
Posted - 2009.11.24 20:43:00 - [ 1]
Until a few days ago,I used to think that massive fleet battles sounded exciting, and indeed, were one of the reasons I pay for the game. Then, yesterday, I finally joined my first large-scale battle.
The lag was insane; I should have just thrown 5M ISK in the toilet and watched a screenshot. The experience would be similar except I wouldn't have to fly to the battlefield first.
Ergo, my questions for 0.0 vets:
1) Is it always or usually this laggy? I've turned my graphics settings to the lowest but I expect the problem was server-side.
2) If it is often this laggy, is this the pinnacle of 0.0 warfare or can it be more fun? If so, how? I hope I'm not training up just so I can fly more expensive ships while staring at a screenshot.
Thanks in advance! |
dtyk
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Posted - 2009.11.24 20:58:00 - [ 2]
Hmm... How bad was the lag? I usually get some when there's 100+ ships jumping through a gate at once, but I seldomly have lag that would have an effect on the gameplay, even with 200 people on both sides. I must be lucky.
And no, I'd say that smaller fleet fight, with 10-50 people on each side, are much nicer than 100+ on both sides. |
Ralnik
Alpha Squad |
Posted - 2009.11.24 21:06:00 - [ 3]
While there will often be lag, but you do need to prepare for it before hand and you can minimize it. Go look for some guides on setting up your overview and always turn off all the special effects and change your video settings to low b4 a big fight.
Do things like turn off drone models and set up over views with just ships or better yet just certain ship classes. This kinda stuff will help a lot. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2009.11.24 21:07:00 - [ 4]
If it was choppy, then it had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SERVER. Lower your settings, turn off brackets, get a better computer, or some combination of the above.
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Katarina Romanov |
Posted - 2009.11.24 21:34:00 - [ 5]
Hmm. Well, I think I have a decent computer: AMD Phenom X4 9150 Quad-Core 4GB System Memory 500GB Hard Drive Radeon HD4550 Video Card The lag was so bad that I waited 5-10 seconds to see if the computer had recognized my last mouse click. I think there were easily 100 players in system, possibly more. At any rate, I will definitely pursue all of your suggestions. Thanks very much!  |
Molly Milli0ns |
Posted - 2009.11.24 21:39:00 - [ 6]
Turn off brackets. That's the key. |
Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp |
Posted - 2009.11.24 22:04:00 - [ 7]
In other words, as long as you turn off the visual effects and brackets so you can't see anything, turn off turret effects and take most things off the overview so you can't know what's going on, and make all other possible modifications so that you experience only the bare minimum possible gameplay, then and only then can you participate in the ultimate endgame.
On the other hand, you could just go with small to medium (up to 30 people) roaming gang PVP. |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.11.24 22:57:00 - [ 8]
2 words.
Faction Warfare.
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Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
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Posted - 2009.11.24 23:04:00 - [ 9]
5 secodns is not laggy at all for a HUGE fleet battle. It does nto even impact much ho wbattleships and capital ships handle.
In fact anything under 10 seconds is playable.
2 years ago we would be happy with 1 minute of module lag. |
Azrakadar
Minmatar
The Nietzsche Followers
Shades of Gray |
Posted - 2009.11.24 23:12:00 - [ 10]
 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
In other words, as long as you turn off the visual effects and brackets so you can't see anything, turn off turret effects and take most things off the overview so you can't know what's going on, and make all other possible modifications so that you experience only the bare minimum possible gameplay, then and only then can you participate in the ultimate endgame.
As a new player that has never been in a fleet battle or any lag-causing situation, I think that's pretty bad, don't you think? :/ |
RS Murphy
Saiph Industries
SRS. |
Posted - 2009.11.25 01:55:00 - [ 11]
I'll show you how to fix it when I get back from vacation. It can be better. O/
You're friend
Murph |
Omara Otawan |
Posted - 2009.11.25 02:00:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Katarina Romanov
The lag was so bad that I waited 5-10 seconds to see if the computer had recognized my last mouse click. I think there were easily 100 players in system, possibly more.
5-10 seconds you say? That does not even warrant to be called lag. Now if you have to log off after every single volley just to get your guns unstuck, THAT is lag. |
Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2009.11.25 02:24:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Shade Millith on 25/11/2009 02:31:36Edited by: Shade Millith on 25/11/2009 02:29:48 Originally by: Katarina Romanov
The lag was so bad that I waited 5-10 seconds to see if the computer had recognized my last mouse click. I think there were easily 100 players in system, possibly more.
Mass fleet battles are laggy, and not particularly exciting. Going to happen? Yes, more ships is an advantage. Exciting? Not really, it really is going to be 'Spreadsheets online' for the fight, and it has nothing to do with personal skill most of the time. However 5-10 seconds of lag in a mass fleet fight is decent. You try the BIG fights, the 700-800+ ones, when you can be waiting over a minute (quite a bit over) to simply warp or load grid on arival. I've gotten up, made a sammich, come back before thing's have changed. A common lag related problem can shut off your guns There are a lot of tricks, however, to improve your performance (Both performance from your ship, and from your computers) in lagfest fights. You should ask around your corp/alliance Solo/small gang stuff is usually more fun (Solo for me personally) |
Bashe Zor
Minmatar
NED-Clan
Intrepid Crossing |
Posted - 2009.11.25 11:49:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Molly Milli0ns
Turn off brackets. That's the key.
What exactly does this mean? what's a bracket? |
Lotto Voitto
DAB
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2009.11.25 11:58:00 - [ 15]
...and yesterday had lots of problems server-side that caused lag.
IIRC ccp shut down the API too for a bit and did not allow new connections to the server.
Tbh jumping alone to an empty system could take easily 30 sec.
So it's most likely that said problems caused extra-lag for you aswell. |
Suboran
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent |
Posted - 2009.11.25 12:39:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Bashe Zor
Originally by: Molly Milli0ns
Turn off brackets. That's the key.
What exactly does this mean? what's a bracket?
brackets are the icons on the screen that show planets, ships drones and npcs you can set the overview to not show certain brackets and this can vasstly reduce client side lag. |
Bashe Zor
Minmatar
NED-Clan
Intrepid Crossing |
Posted - 2009.11.25 12:42:00 - [ 17]
thanks :) |
Beltantis Torrence
Wolfsbrigade
ShadowWolves.net |
Posted - 2009.11.25 13:15:00 - [ 18]
I've always found small roaming gangs of 1-10 to be the pinnacle of enjoyable PVP, personally. Not that big fleet fights aren't cool but they definately aren't as much fun because its a lot more of "lock primary, 3 2 1 fire" and skills/ship fit than actual PVP skill. The smaller the numbers involved the larger a role you play in the outcome and the more gratifying the victory. |
snake133 |
Posted - 2009.11.25 13:38:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Katarina Romanov
Hmm. Well, I think I have a decent computer:
AMD Phenom X4 9150 Quad-Core
4GB System Memory
500GB Hard Drive
Radeon HD4550 Video Card
The lag was so bad that I waited 5-10 seconds to see if the computer had recognized my last mouse click. I think there were easily 100 players in system, possibly more.
At any rate, I will definitely pursue all of your suggestions. Thanks very much!
could be your actual interwebs connection, if its a wireless signal it will cause some lag specialy if its not strong, if its regualr hi speed it may cause lag aswell (not likely) but if u have Fiber optic interwebs (yayyy where 100mb/s is as advertised. i do) then if you experience lag its server based. but with 100 people it shouldnt be that bad, sounds like it could be your connection. |
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 13:56:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: snake133
Originally by: Katarina Romanov
Hmm. Well, I think I have a decent computer:
AMD Phenom X4 9150 Quad-Core
4GB System Memory
500GB Hard Drive
Radeon HD4550 Video Card
The lag was so bad that I waited 5-10 seconds to see if the computer had recognized my last mouse click. I think there were easily 100 players in system, possibly more.
At any rate, I will definitely pursue all of your suggestions. Thanks very much!
could be your actual interwebs connection, if its a wireless signal it will cause some lag specialy if its not strong, if its regualr hi speed it may cause lag aswell (not likely) but if u have Fiber optic interwebs (yayyy where 100mb/s is as advertised. i do) then if you experience lag its server based. but with 100 people it shouldnt be that bad, sounds like it could be your connection.
your network bandwidht is IRRELEVANT> MEASURED data. Data transfer during fleet battle stay around 5 KB/second. Any 0.3 Mb/s connection can achieve that. Eve is an extremely low network requirement game. |
RiotRick
Kamehameha I's Revenge
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2009.11.25 14:39:00 - [ 21]
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cho0li0
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.11.25 15:03:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Katarina Romanov
Until a few days ago,I used to think that massive fleet battles sounded exciting, and indeed, were one of the reasons I pay for the game. Then, yesterday, I finally joined my first large-scale battle.
The lag was insane; I should have just thrown 5M ISK in the toilet and watched a screenshot. The experience would be similar except I wouldn't have to fly to the battlefield first.
Ergo, my questions for 0.0 vets:
1) Is it always or usually this laggy? I've turned my graphics settings to the lowest but I expect the problem was server-side.
2) If it is often this laggy, is this the pinnacle of 0.0 warfare or can it be more fun? If so, how? I hope I'm not training up just so I can fly more expensive ships while staring at a screenshot.
Thanks in advance!
Before major fight you will have to turn the eye candy down, and tweak the OVERVIEW ready for the fight. |
Agent Known |
Posted - 2009.11.25 15:47:00 - [ 23]
Edited by: Agent Known on 25/11/2009 15:47:42I was in my first fleet fight a week ago or so with over 300 in local, and yes...it was laggy, but not unplayable, slideshow lag. There is a lot of lag jumping 100 people through to a system, but other than that.... I found that zooming out and using your overview to find primaries and such to be much more useful, as well as turning off brackets. Other than the occasional latency with mods, I ran everything on high settings (including effects and models) and still held ~20 FPS. If only I frapsed it.  |
gnome blood |
Posted - 2009.11.25 15:49:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
2 words.
Faction Warfare.
LOL! FW is even more laggy than large nullsec fights, cause low-sec nodes canīt handle battles with more than 50 people. |
Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2009.11.25 17:51:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: gnome blood
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
2 words.
Faction Warfare.
LOL!
FW is even more laggy than large nullsec fights, cause low-sec nodes canīt handle battles with more than 50 people.
True story, I have had 0.0 fights with in excess of 600 in local and they still performed better than some of the FW fights I was in. |
Perfection Tau
Cuties Only. |
Posted - 2009.11.25 18:45:00 - [ 26]
EVE combat as primitive so lobotomized hamster can fly dread / BS, welcome to EVE.
Let's say it's not a "better" part of game. |
Cybarite
Gallente
YARRRDIES Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 23:22:00 - [ 27]
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The Tzar
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2009.11.26 01:11:00 - [ 28]
Yah i've had over a thousand chars in local during fleet fights and with the right prep (playing with a cr@p laptop most of the time) it's more than playable.
Find out about brackets and reducing overview/screen graphics to that which you need to see.
Keep smiling! |
Criss AngeI
THE MIND FREAK |
Posted - 2009.11.26 06:04:00 - [ 29]
obvious troll is obvious |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.11.26 09:49:00 - [ 30]
ah so thats why people in my corp was complaining about lag. i thought it was some 0.0 battle. it usually is. |
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