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Topic |
Sazkyen |
Posted - 2009.10.22 02:32:00 - [ 1]
Are you going to buy it? I'm certainly thinking about it. Linkage |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.22 03:02:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: Sazkyen
Are you going to buy it? I'm certainly thinking about it.
Linkage
Nowhere i know is selling double licenses which is worrying (I have two computers at home, and i sure as hell am not buying it twice  ) |
karma militia |
Posted - 2009.10.22 03:19:00 - [ 3]
I'm looking into it. Seems like it's just a re-release of Vista with some fixes.
I also found out that the Xbox uses Linux, which i find hilarious. |
illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:05:00 - [ 4]
mine is already waiting to be shipped to my house from amazon, will be here by morning. win 7 is great, is XP performance, with advanced vista features, plus a lot more stability and features. if you got vista, no question. upgrade now! if you got XP, if your machine is good enough, then get 7. trust me, i am running win 7 RC now. now that win 7 is out, we can talk about windows 8! i hear it will come in 64 and 128 bit  |
karma militia |
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:16:00 - [ 5]
I'm running XP and it's everything i need from an OS. except it doesn't utilize DirectX 10 properly.
Are there any substantial performance increases in vista/7? |
illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:21:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: karma militia
I'm running XP and it's everything i need from an OS. except it doesn't utilize DirectX 10 properly.
Are there any substantial performance increases in vista/7?
thisthere will be slight performance loss in some areas, and performance gains, but the benefits greatly outweigh the losses. |
Daelorn |
Posted - 2009.10.22 04:24:00 - [ 7]
Already had it for a while and activated, being a student + MSDN AA is awesome  |
ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers |
Posted - 2009.10.22 07:52:00 - [ 8]
My pre-order was dispatched yesterday. |
KingsGambit
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2009.10.22 08:41:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: karma militia
I'm running XP and it's everything i need from an OS. except it doesn't utilize DirectX 10 properly.
It doesn't "utilise" DX10 at all, let alone properly or improperly  Originally by: karma militia
Are there any substantial performance increases in 7?
If you're playing older games (ie DX9 or less) you'll probably have better frame rates on XP than Win7. However, without Win7, you won't be able to turn on the bells & whistles for DX10 or 11. Admittedly neither are *as* major over DX9 as DX9 was over previous versions. In 2 years, XP will be a decade old. In computing terms that's an eternity. For the foreseeable future, because it's been the major computing OS for the last few years, there will be some compatibility issues here and there. I'm using at home RC1 and my only issue was no 64 bit drivers for my very old 56k modem I never use anyway. Apart from that, all other hardware works perfectly and all my software too. Win7 has better security than XP, a significantly faster network stack, and as with vista, drivers work a little differently. Instead of being loaded at kernel level, they're run almost as applications, at user level. What that means is that a graphics or sound driver lock up that on XP would result in a blue screen instead the OS can simply stop & restart.  It also natively supports all the PC hardware developments of the last few years, most importantly, SATA. Searching is improved too. I resisted switching from 95 to 98 back then, and I resisted switching from XP to Win 7 but gave in both times. It's fairly safe to forget Vista ever happened, and to date, I think it's quite fair to say XP was MS's most successful OS. But Win7 is a worthy upgrade...I just wish it had a better name. |
Fina Kelitan |
Posted - 2009.10.22 10:14:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: Fina Kelitan on 22/10/2009 10:16:15 Originally by: karma militia
I also found out that the Xbox uses Linux, which i find hilarious.
Um, no it doesn't? Both the original and the 360 are Windows (CE/embedded) / DirectX based. You can RUN Linux on them, but that's different. EDIT: And on topic, I have two copies of 7 Home Premium arriving today (probably while I'm not home, meaning I'll have to go fetch them tomorrow...) |
Adonis 4174 |
Posted - 2009.10.22 10:40:00 - [ 11]
Does it still require you to wipe XP before you can install it? |
Fina Kelitan |
Posted - 2009.10.22 10:50:00 - [ 12]
Yes. |
Gibbeous Moon |
Posted - 2009.10.22 10:59:00 - [ 13]
My chum, a musician*, decided to run the W7 hardware test on his studio rig. As expected his rather dandy Yamaha sound card isn't supported and it looks as if he's going to stay with XP for a while longer.
So if anyone has any exotic hardware I would suggest a check of the driver situation before taking the plunge.
*a bloke who makes music, rather than someone who mixes and scratches. |
karma militia |
Posted - 2009.10.22 11:27:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: karma militia on 22/10/2009 11:34:08 Originally by: KingsGambit
Originally by: karma militia
I'm running XP and it's everything i need from an OS. except it doesn't utilize DirectX 10 properly.
It doesn't "utilise" DX10 at all, let alone properly or improperly
well apparently there is some "wrapper" out there which will allow dx10 exclusive games to work on xp, i don't know if it emulates any features though. Originally by: Fina Kelitan
Edited by: Fina Kelitan on 22/10/2009 10:16:15
Originally by: karma militia
I also found out that the Xbox uses Linux, which i find hilarious.
Um, no it doesn't? Both the original and the 360 are Windows (CE/embedded) / DirectX based.
You can RUN Linux on them, but that's different.
i just noticed it at the bottom of the first paragraph herebut after examining some of the pictures down the bottem, maybe i should take it with a grain of salt   Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.Based on how i use my OS, i would cop a small decrease in performance, but gain the shiney goodness which is DX10+. hmmm |
Adonis 4174 |
Posted - 2009.10.22 11:56:00 - [ 15]
If it would dual-boot with XP I'd buy it right now, but they're asking me to destroy a working computer in order to add something I haven't tried yet. If there are issues of any kind I will want to go back to XP for a while and having to wipe the entire system and restore from backups will just suck.
Dual-boot offers more safety than wiping a good system just on spec. |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.22 12:01:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Xen Gin on 22/10/2009 13:27:12 Originally by: Adonis 4174
If it would dual-boot with XP I'd buy it right now, but they're asking me to destroy a working computer in order to add something I haven't tried yet. If there are issues of any kind I will want to go back to XP for a while and having to wipe the entire system and restore from backups will just suck.
Dual-boot offers more safety than wiping a good system just on spec.
It does dual boot. *Edit, ohhh, it's arrived. Shiny shiny dvd! |
Adonis 4174 |
Posted - 2009.10.22 13:34:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Xen Gin
It does dual boot.
So you can install it beside an existing XP install? When it was available early to people with student ID cards it had a caveat that if you had XP installed you'd need to wipe it, install 7 and then reinstall XP from scratch if you wanted to dual boot. |
Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2009.10.22 13:35:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Adonis 4174
If it would dual-boot with XP I'd buy it right now, but they're asking me to destroy a working computer in order to add something I haven't tried yet. If there are issues of any kind I will want to go back to XP for a while and having to wipe the entire system and restore from backups will just suck.
Dual-boot offers more safety than wiping a good system just on spec.
You can dual, triple, quadrouple, quintuple boot Windows 7. NTLDR can load any NT based operating system. It can also supposedly boot to non-NT windows systems, such as DOS 6.0, Windows 3.1, Windows 9x, etc etc... If you use GRUB, you can also boot into any number of Linux distros too. My current configuration allows me to boot into: Windows 7 Windows Vista Gentoo Linux Ubuntu Linux Please note that if you only have a single hard drive, and it only has a single partition, the Windows installer will force you to reformat the hard drive. If you use a Linux liveCD, you can use qtparted or gparted to resize and reorganize the partitions on your hard drive. This will make room for a Windows 7 install without having to wipe out your XP install. Just be forewarned that resizing a partition takes a LONG time and is a potentially dangerous operation as it can easily corrupt your filesystem if your computer loses power or if there is a hard drive failure of any kind. |
Fina Kelitan |
Posted - 2009.10.22 14:54:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: karma militia
i just noticed it at the bottom of the first paragraph here
Quote:
Linux is the operating system which drives the XBox and Playstation platforms, arcade gaming and mobile phone technologies.
It's wrong on all counts. The Playstations are all custom OS, though Sony has always supported people trying to run Linux on them. IIRC the PS devkits involve Linux, but the console itself doesn't. Well, some arcade machines might use Linux. Most are games console hardware these days though. Dreamcast hardware was common a few years ago, and the really old ones use custom chips with no real OS. There are one or two Linux-based mobiles, but they're definitely not the norm. |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.22 15:49:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Adonis 4174
If it would dual-boot with XP I'd buy it right now, but they're asking me to destroy a working computer in order to add something I haven't tried yet. If there are issues of any kind I will want to go back to XP for a while and having to wipe the entire system and restore from backups will just suck.
Dual-boot offers more safety than wiping a good system just on spec.
You can dual, triple, quadrouple, quintuple boot Windows 7. NTLDR can load any NT based operating system. It can also supposedly boot to non-NT windows systems, such as DOS 6.0, Windows 3.1, Windows 9x, etc etc... If you use GRUB, you can also boot into any number of Linux distros too.
My current configuration allows me to boot into:
Windows 7
Windows Vista
Gentoo Linux
Ubuntu Linux
Please note that if you only have a single hard drive, and it only has a single partition, the Windows installer will force you to reformat the hard drive. If you use a Linux liveCD, you can use qtparted or gparted to resize and reorganize the partitions on your hard drive. This will make room for a Windows 7 install without having to wipe out your XP install. Just be forewarned that resizing a partition takes a LONG time and is a potentially dangerous operation as it can easily corrupt your filesystem if your computer loses power or if there is a hard drive failure of any kind.
As an extra precaution, defrag the drive if you're going to gpart it. Nothing like parting a drive in the middle when half the stuff is in the last 1/4 of the drive. Also, I updated to win7 from XP (deleted drive!) Happy to report zero issues. The easy file transfer program was just that! |
Adonis 4174 |
Posted - 2009.10.22 16:18:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Taedrin
Please note that if you only have a single hard drive, and it only has a single partition, the Windows installer will force you to reformat the hard drive.
WTB the kidneys of whoever thought that would be a good idea. |
KingsGambit
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2009.10.22 18:28:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: karma militia
well apparently there is some "wrapper" out there which will allow dx10 exclusive games to work on xp, i don't know if it emulates any features though.
Never heard of that, though I do know there was an attempt (I believe largely given up) to get DX10 onto XP fully. As it is, all they managed to do was make it so dxdiag reports you have DX10, while in reality you don't. With the many varied compatibility, DRM, driver and bug issues that often affect PC games, even if such a thing as you suggest did exist, I wouldn't trust it...more to go wrong. For what it's worth, having played BioShock on both DX9 and DX10, I can't honestly say I noticed a difference. Nor between Crysis on DX9 or Warhead on DX10. Originally by: Adonis 4174
If it would dual-boot with XP I'd buy it right now, but they're asking me to destroy a working computer in order to add something I haven't tried yet.
You can dual boot anything you like. You can have Win 95 and Win 7 if you wanted, or two XP installs, or Linux and Windows, practically anything you want. You will need either a seperate partition or physical hard drive, but that's it. The only thing you can't do is upgrade from XP to Win7 maintaining your apps/data. It's one, the other, or both. Only Vista can upgrade directly. Main advice is, whatever route you want to take, backup all your important, personal data and download, in advance, hardware drivers for your PC for Win7 or Vista, 32/64-bit as appropriate. Store them on a USB pen, a CD-R or a third partition so you'll have little trouble once you boot into the new OS. |
hired goon |
Posted - 2009.10.23 09:52:00 - [ 23]
I heard that Vista/Win7 has removed the "What U hear" / "Sterio Output" option in the recording mixer, to prevent people recording the sound being played on their machine, and therefore pirating music. |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.23 10:31:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: hired goon
I heard that Vista/Win7 has removed the "What U hear" / "Sterio Output" option in the recording mixer, to prevent people recording the sound being played on their machine, and therefore pirating music.
Yeah... because that's how people are pirating music these days...  |
Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.23 12:54:00 - [ 25]
Edited by: Bodrul on 23/10/2009 13:06:57 Originally by: Sazkyen
Are you going to buy it? I'm certainly thinking about it.
Linkage
why would i Buy it when i can download it for free? :P (to clerify) i got windows 7 couple Months back as we get MS for free in the Uni just havent installed it |
Alfa Lavala
Block Zero
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:31:00 - [ 26]
Installed it today. Didn't have drivers for my wifi usb stick. Manu supplied drivers from internet didn't work either. Otherwise it's all running nicely.
Not too much difference from vista as far as I can see apart from USB stick drives open instantly.
Still idling on 1GB+ ram though.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente |
Posted - 2009.10.23 20:08:00 - [ 27]
I dont have the money to get the new system and like the other person who mentioned I have multiple computers and would perfer to have the same OS on both of them (right now my main has XP while my laptop bought about a year ago has vista and already its a headach). Considering its also a new OS it will be some time before enough programs come out that simply need windows 7 to operate.
On a related note can anyone tell me if the microsoft words 2003 package works with windows 7? I use the student version and again would rather not have to buy a new package simply due to compatability issues. |
Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:27:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
I dont have the money to get the new system and like the other person who mentioned I have multiple computers and would perfer to have the same OS on both of them (right now my main has XP while my laptop bought about a year ago has vista and already its a headach). Considering its also a new OS it will be some time before enough programs come out that simply need windows 7 to operate.
On a related note can anyone tell me if the microsoft words 2003 package works with windows 7? I use the student version and again would rather not have to buy a new package simply due to compatability issues.
I believe Office 2003 DOES work with Win7. |
MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:05:00 - [ 29]
I bought Home Premium in a 3 Licence "Family Pack" for just $199.00 on sale down from $350.00. That's $70.00 a rig... |
MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2009.10.26 01:16:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Adonis 4174
If it would dual-boot with XP I'd buy it right now, but they're asking me to destroy a working computer in order to add something I haven't tried yet. If there are issues of any kind I will want to go back to XP for a while and having to wipe the entire system and restore from backups will just suck.
Dual-boot offers more safety than wiping a good system just on spec.
You can buy a Hard Drive for 40 bucks nowadays. Pull your XP and swap a new drive in to install Win 7... |
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