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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:49:00 - [1]
 

Faction ships are getting a makeover. Find out all the details by checking out CCP Ytterbium's newest dev blog.

Avan Sercedos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2009.10.19 13:53:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Avan Sercedos on 19/10/2009 14:02:31
first

also reservation

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So are you sure we can't have Voltron-esque rogue drone ships? Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2009.10.19 13:57:00 - [3]
 

Nice nice

Milamar Tokugawa
Minmatar
Tribal Core
Posted - 2009.10.19 13:58:00 - [4]
 

Please Please fix the tier 1 navy cruisers, everyone but the Navy Augoror really dont perform any job :P Otherwise pretty good changes, still would like to see the firetail even faster than a inty :)

Morscerta
Gallente
Living in the Fridge
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:00:00 - [5]
 

I would appreciate a little more diversity in Rogue Drone loot

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:04:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 19/10/2009 14:08:59
I'm really not happy with the Fleet tempest changes. Most would probably agree.



To clarify,

If the player base has a choice between the XYZ turret and armour tanking ships, including the new Machariel, why on earth would they bother with the New fleet pest?

I like how you've offered some explanations to your judgments however, this dev blog was very much needed. (10/10 rating)

Doomed Predator
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:06:00 - [7]
 

But but, I'd really like a Rogue drone shipCrying or Very sad

Ulstan
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:12:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Ulstan on 19/10/2009 14:15:34
Good blog.

Highly agree that the navy scorp shouldn't be an ECM boat. Glad you made it the way you did instead.

Also glad to see the drone/missile/shield direction the guristas are taking. That's much better than just another set of shield/missile boats, which caldari already have tons of.

I do wish the fleet tempest could be a shield tanking turret boat. We have lots and lots of armor tanking turret boats.

Also, the hookbill is, IMO, by far the weakest of the navy frigates because it doesn't have the fitting to do much with standard missile launchers (and rockets are crap!) This could be a problem with frigate sized missiles in general, but both the worm and the hookbill have fitting issues trying to use SML's. (And rockets are in no situation worth using)

Maliece
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:26:00 - [9]
 

nice blog, i like fraction ships, really but im still waiting to hear new stuff from the changes to zerozero so i´m not really able to appreciate information about a secondary change in this comming update.


Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:33:00 - [10]
 

Quote:
Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
o A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed.

Poor form on this also.
I would have been happier if you just admitted that you just didn't have the art assets to work on the re-skin however suggesting that green was the official gallente navy colour seems like a cop out, especially when the DEIMOS HAS THE EXACT SAME COLOUR SCHEME.

Navy Comet would probably be considered as the best option (black with white detail).

Caldor Mansi
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:38:00 - [11]
 

Nice.
When will be Raiding and Purple gear introduced..?

Go ahead and make EVE dumber and dumber, you're doing it well.

Waci
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:38:00 - [12]
 

Wait, does this mean that some time in 2012 dreads will be able to turn into huge robots with vacuum cleaners?

Grarr Wrexx
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:47:00 - [13]
 

So, Phantasm.

It loses a horrible amount of shields, and in place it gets... a little bit extra cap recharge, 4km's of locking range and some radar sensor str points?

I mean, what? Where's my XL package of energy turrets and shield tank?

Trenjeska
Chumly Incorporated
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:55:00 - [14]
 

If one would be reading the test server feedback, one would know this allready.

TWO weeks without any communication and finally the silence gets broken,... for this?

Still not even a post for the bi-weekly chronicle...
As I allready posted in general: Are you guys running out of material to tell us or are you afraid to tell us anything since the SiSi all Level V debâcle?

(faction ship changes were nice btw, been folowing it from the start)

Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:00:00 - [15]
 

/me agrees with Pattern Clarc on both points.

I would greatly prefer the fleet tempest to stay 8-6-6, with equal armor and shield. It creates more potential fits then 8-5-7 ever will. One can shield tank it with a nano-ish gank fit, or armor tank it with 4 utility mids. 5 mids otoh won't allow for an acceptable shield tank.


When was it decided that the navy megathron(and by extension gallente navy) colour scheme is what is now on sisi? And who decided that? And what was his reasoning for camo in spaaaaaace? And why this kind of camo? There are nicer looking camouflage options for vessels if camo it has to be(for example(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage) and another(http://www.shipcamouflage.com/camouflage_database.htm))

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:09:00 - [16]
 

I hate the idea of Guristas being the new drone experts. Gallente are now kinda "defunct", especially since blaster tracking just gets worse and worse relative to other offensive weapons from various factors every patch, while other races get more buffs.

I despise the Navy Megathron skin change. You've made possibly the prettiest looking ship, one of the ugliest. What next? Baby-blue Nyx? Oh and I love the way you dont listen to your players telling you it looks crap and not to change it, for the sake of the 20 or so people that bought desk models.

With the exception of the new tier of Navy ships I dont see these changes improving Eve at all.

Mookuh
COLD-Wing
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:19:00 - [17]
 

Quote:
However, we feel the current slot changes (5 med/ 7 lows) and the shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank.


So, shieldtanking is not an option in PvP? I think this argument is nonsense, not only because you could use a Tempest Fleet Issue for e.g. PvE, but also because people do indeed PvP with 6-midslotted Shieldtankers... or even less :o
Speedmod, Cap injector, 2 Extenders, 2 Invulns, leave tackling to someone else...

Likewise, saying "A Machariel with 7 mids wouldn't be any good" is horribly one sided. 7 mids... hm, MWD, Disruptor, Cap Injector, 2 Extenders, 2 Invlulns... Could work if you intend to use it as a "BS-size-Vaga"... if you want webs, you could employ web drones. Or go without the injector and add a web, large NOS, and pray.
That said, the Machariel isn't designed to fly into web range in the first place, you get some 30 km falloff without Barrage with the new bonus.

Saying "It wouldn't work anyway" and arguing for flexibilty in the same blog is a little meh.

Glassback
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:20:00 - [18]
 

Vanilla.

Make em overpowered and expensive.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:33:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Abrazzar on 19/10/2009 15:33:19
You could add Equilibrium of Mankind ships to the encounter tables of any belt spawn roll, including faction spawns and even exploration encounters. Then you add EoM faction ship blueprints on the faction spawns. There. EoM just got seeded. Smile

The reduced shield recharge rate needs to take into account the reduced effect of shield extenders on HP-buffed faction ships. At least on those that are could be feasibly passive shield tanked by design.


EDIT: I still want Guristas ships to be stealth turret snipers.Sad

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:35:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Mookuh
So, shieldtanking is not an option in PvP? I think this argument is nonsense, not only because you could use a Tempest Fleet Issue for e.g. PvE, but also because people do indeed PvP with 6-midslotted Shieldtankers... or even less :o
BrB Paging Zulupark

rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:49:00 - [21]
 

i am patiently waiting my new cynabal, the vaga on crack

Arous Drephius
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:49:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Dev Blog
Gravemetric sensor strength


Gravimetric sensor strength.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Milamar Tokugawa
Please Please fix the tier 1 navy cruisers, everyone but the Navy Augoror really dont perform any job :P Otherwise pretty good changes, still would like to see the firetail even faster than a inty :)


My alt liked his Navy Caracal cruiser just fine. Now he's in a Drake (of course), but it wasn't a bad little mini-Drake.


Or by tier 1, are you referring to Navy Osprey? That one looks a bit odd, but I've heard that some pilots likes it a lot.

Inquisitor Lord
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:01:00 - [24]
 

Am I wrong, but isn't Ytterbium contradicting him with the Machariel?

He says it's designed to be a Kiting ship while also a PvP tackling one. Are you saying that this battleship can tackle and kite? Those two things seem totally opposite in regards to bships.


Brutal Psycho
Amarr
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:03:00 - [25]
 

Is there some reason The Khanid loyalty stores cannot get faction ships? They have all the things you say would be difficult to do to give EoM ships. Khanid have Space, Loyalty stores, Offices. Could we at least be able to buy the Amarr Navy ships from Khanid loyalty stores? As per the storyline the Khanid were re-included in the empire and have a seat again on the council so it would logically follow we could buy the Amarr navy ship designs. Thanks for considering this.

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:05:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Nice.
When will be Raiding and Purple gear introduced..?

Go ahead and make EVE dumber and dumber, you're doing it well.
Whatever you are smoking, hand it over.

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:11:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
we do not want to nerf it on that aspect since it is supposed to be part of a sandbox game to adapt a ship outside its original purpose.


Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank.


yeah.

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:18:00 - [28]
 

to bad u didnt listen to a lot of players in regards to the fleet pest, it will still by far be the worst of the navy battleships.
it needed 7 mids and a dps boost so we could have had a good shieldtanker.
this game is filled with armor tankers as it is.

Quote:
However, we feel the current slot changes (5 med/ 7 lows) and the shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank.


if that was true i wouldnt see as many maelstroms in pvp as i doWink

give us 5 lows and 7 mids so we can make a proper shield tank with good damage

Caldor Mansi
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:26:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Nice.
When will be Raiding and Purple gear introduced..?

Go ahead and make EVE dumber and dumber, you're doing it well.
Whatever you are smoking, hand it over.


No, I am not smoking anything.

Did you ever ask yourself how much SP and people participating you need to produce T2 ship?
What is the point of complex, skill, resource and co-operation intensive T2 production when you can get faction ship just by grinding missions alone? What is massive market system for?

14 days old toon in Domi can run L4 and get the ship that is better than T2...

Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:30:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Reten Kip on 19/10/2009 16:30:40
Quote:
* Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships? o A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.


MAY not like the new skins? 90% of the responses to those skins say they're JUNK. Why not just make it hot pink, at least then it wouldn't be trying to be legitimate. Better yet, just take the damn ship out of the game entirely.

You guys used the same excuse when you knocked the Helios out of the park with the ugly stick. You could have swapped Imicus/Maulus/Keres/Helios around since nobody flies the Maulus/Keres, but NO. You decided it would be better to kick all the Gallente pilots in the nuts and to hell with what your PAYING CUSTOMERS thought about it.

Now, you're going to do it AGAIN. Do you guys not understand that the camo skin is horrid? Whatever artist thought it looked good doesn't deserve the title and should be demoted.

You've been given many suggestions that DON'T SUCK. Allow me to reiterate a few:

* Leave the damn thing alone. <-- BEST SUGGESTION
* Roden style paint scheme <-- SECOND BEST SUGGESTION
* Naval camo that DOESN'T SUCK
Examples of Naval Camo that doesn't suck, pick one and use it:
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3995/50819321pv1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/USS_Louisville_CA-28-600px.JPG
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/military-camouflage-6.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h92000/h92362.jpg

As it stands now I'm either going to sell my salad issue Megathron, or just trash it. I'm leaning toward trashing it.


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