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Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture |
Posted - 2009.10.20 01:52:00 - [ 31]
 Originally by: Signore Kaeota
As flakeys said, setting up bad deals is one thing, deliberately misrepresenting the truth is another. He said
'I wrote buying 10 plex for 40 bil(sic)' - shortly after he said
'But the contract was 1 for 40mil(sic)'. I class that as deliberately misrepresenting the truth, hence a scam.
Well what about pirates? They don't even ask if you want to get popped, they just shoot at you. But the same principle applies - You jumped into low sec, so you set yourself up for it, just like you clicked the contract, clicked a second time to accept the contract, and clicked a THIRD time to accept the warning that says "You're going to be giving X and receiving Y, are you sure this is right?". |
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal |
Posted - 2009.10.20 02:32:00 - [ 32]
People being stupid and falling for scams doesn't remove the fact that a scam is a scam.
Scam: Fraudulent deal; To defraud or embezzle.
All this contracts are based on the other part not noticing the real deal. Even if the real deal is stated there, the victim accepts it believing that you are offering another thing and you set up the contract to make him think that he is going to receive something different than what the contract offers. So yes, making contracts to cheat on people is scamming no matter what.
Discussing where is the line does not matters here, because this actions are well behind the line. Arguing that it is difficult to set the line does not remove the existence of the line.
And... guess what? People around here doesn't like scammers... maybe because they tend to not return your money back. Twisting reality and justifying fraud actions is even worse, because those people tend to decide one day that they have the right to own your money for whatever reason they like (may be a sick son, world's justice or a crashed computer). |
Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita |
Posted - 2009.10.20 02:58:00 - [ 33]
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Well what about pirates?
Thank you. Perfect comparison - the OP to a pirate. |
Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture |
Posted - 2009.10.20 02:59:00 - [ 34]
Ok, so all you guys points are "I don't trust this guy and I have this strange urge to say this in a rude way and completely derail his thread.", got it. We've heard your opinions, you've heard mine, now can we get on with the auction? |
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal |
Posted - 2009.10.20 03:30:00 - [ 35]
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Ok, so all you guys points are "I don't trust this guy and I have this strange urge to say this in a rude way and completely derail his thread.", got it. We've heard your opinions, you've heard mine, now can we get on with the auction?
I have the strange urge to say... What auction? Looks like people doesn't want to bid. Sorry about that rude answer, but I really felt the urge to say it. Really. Not joking. |
Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita |
Posted - 2009.10.20 03:37:00 - [ 36]
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Ok, so all you guys points are "I don't trust this guy and I have this strange urge to say this in a rude way and completely derail his thread.", got it. We've heard your opinions, you've heard mine, now can we get on with the auction?
Odd. I don't recall being rude to the OP ever. If he finds being called a scammer rude, then maybe he shouldn't scam? He should actually be thanking us for continually bumping his thread up. |
Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture |
Posted - 2009.10.20 08:00:00 - [ 37]
Signore I was refering to cosmoray and the others. Mostly just cosmoray. |
Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.20 08:39:00 - [ 38]
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Ok, so all you guys points are "I don't trust this guy and I have this strange urge to say this in a rude way and completely derail his thread.", got it. We've heard your opinions, you've heard mine, now can we get on with the auction?
Really dont know what your whining about. Its our job to shoot this down, that he is even tolerated shows just how nice we are. Scam is scam, there is no such thing as just a small scam. If you can mislead and cheat one part, what stops you form misleading and cheating another part? (read; investor) |
Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture |
Posted - 2009.10.20 09:23:00 - [ 39]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Julius Rigel
Ok, so all you guys points are "I don't trust this guy and I have this strange urge to say this in a rude way and completely derail his thread.", got it. We've heard your opinions, you've heard mine, now can we get on with the auction?
Really dont know what your whining about.
Its our job to shoot this down, that he is even tolerated shows just how nice we are.
Scam is scam, there is no such thing as just a small scam.
If you can mislead and cheat one part, what stops you form misleading and cheating another part? (read; investor)
Nothing. What stops you from NOT cheating it? Mostly semantics I guess. So the jury has convened and made a decision on this venture. Still you guys keep replying as if desperately trying to keep the thread alive. If you want it to die, just leave it alone. |
Roguehalo
Caldari
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.10.20 10:12:00 - [ 40]
Edited by: Roguehalo on 20/10/2009 10:41:40
I haven't actually seen any ingame evidence that Rawblood DID scam any plexes.....maybe he was just joking? Or maybe somebody can link a screenshot of the alleged scam contract?
edit : spelling |
RaWBLooD |
Posted - 2009.10.21 00:38:00 - [ 41]
Originally by: Roguehalo
Edited by: Roguehalo on 20/10/2009 10:41:40
I haven't actually seen any ingame evidence that Rawblood DID scam any plexes.....maybe he was just joking? Or maybe somebody can link a screenshot of the alleged scam contract?
edit : spelling
Yes. |
Roguehalo
Caldari
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.10.21 01:04:00 - [ 42]
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Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger |
Posted - 2009.10.21 01:16:00 - [ 43]
Originally by: Roguehalo
I haven't actually seen any ingame evidence that Rawblood DID scam any plexes.....maybe he was just joking? Or maybe somebody can link a screenshot of the alleged scam contract?
It appears that RaWBLooD has a sufficiently long contract history that his more recent contracts might not be displayed properly, and the quoted chat log does not specify what pilot might have done the transaction anyhow, if it did occur. So if there is evidence, it might not be readily ascertainable. While I have seen no evidence (aside from his own claim at one time) that that he did purposefully mis-describe a contract, I also have no evidence (aside from his own claim at another time) that he didn't. So the evidence is inconclusive about whether he scammed. What is clear is that he is not truthful 100% of the time, but that's not very damning, since few people are. |
RaWBLooD |
Posted - 2009.10.21 01:42:00 - [ 44]
Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Roguehalo
I haven't actually seen any ingame evidence that Rawblood DID scam any plexes.....maybe he was just joking? Or maybe somebody can link a screenshot of the alleged scam contract?
It appears that RaWBLooD has a sufficiently long contract history that his more recent contracts might not be displayed properly, and the quoted chat log does not specify what pilot might have done the transaction anyhow, if it did occur. So if there is evidence, it might not be readily ascertainable.
While I have seen no evidence (aside from his own claim at one time) that that he did purposefully mis-describe a contract, I also have no evidence (aside from his own claim at another time) that he didn't. So the evidence is inconclusive about whether he scammed. What is clear is that he is not truthful 100% of the time, but that's not very damning, since few people are.
Using satire is not being not truthful. Did anyone actually read the chat log? Did anyone even do that math... |
Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita |
Posted - 2009.10.21 01:54:00 - [ 45]
Edited by: Signore Kaeota on 22/10/2009 07:42:47
Edited by: Signore Kaeota on 21/10/2009 01:55:47 in order to correct an epic fail
40bil / 10 = 4bil
40mil / 1 = 40mil
Good enough math for me. If you wish to draw me more specifically to one part of that log of another, bold it. That's a massive chat log and tbqfh I have better things to do.
Oh, though do everyone a favour and stop linking every second word please?
EDIT: and don't use double negatives or satire. Double negatives are a pain in the ass and satire doesn't carry across the internet too well. |
Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger |
Posted - 2009.10.21 02:44:00 - [ 46]
Originally by: RaWBLooD
Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Roguehalo
I haven't actually seen any ingame evidence that Rawblood DID scam any plexes.....maybe he was just joking?
[T]he evidence is inconclusive about whether he scammed. What is clear is that he is not truthful 100% of the time, but that's not very damning, since few people are.
Using satire is not being not truthful.
Satire is not necessarily 'being not truthful', but it can involve the assertion of untruths, and a satirical context does not transform untrue statements into true statements. I might offer links to relevant educational articles for your benefit, but it looks like you've already found some. I encourage you now to learn from those articles. |
RaWBLooD |
Posted - 2009.10.21 02:48:00 - [ 47]
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Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger |
Posted - 2009.10.21 03:07:00 - [ 48]
Originally by: RaWBLooD
Do stay on topic.
You needn't remind me! I will continue to do so. |
Barton Foley |
Posted - 2009.10.21 03:23:00 - [ 49]
Originally by: RaWBLooD
Do stay on topic.
Coming from you that's absolutely hilarious. |
Brock Nelson |
Posted - 2009.10.21 03:28:00 - [ 50]
Don't mind raw, Satire is just word of the day for him.
Tomorrow word of the day is: Mortgage |
RaWBLooD |
Posted - 2009.10.21 04:51:00 - [ 51]
Edited by: RaWBLooD on 21/10/2009 04:52:06 Originally by: Brock Nelson
Don't mind raw, Satire is just word of the day for him.
Tomorrow word of the day is: Mortgage
Brock likes my syrup. Originally by: Barton Foley
Originally by: RaWBLooD
Do stay on topic.
Coming from you that's absolutely hilarious.
Post with your main. |
Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita |
Posted - 2009.10.21 05:20:00 - [ 52]
Originally by: RaWBLooD
[...insults...]
I think this guy's finally realised we're not going to give him isk, and has thus decided to flame his way into MD history. Sorry to say, this board doesn't work like that. |
RaWBLooD |
Posted - 2009.10.21 06:22:00 - [ 53]
Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: RaWBLooD
[...insults...]
I think this guy's finally realised we're not going to give him isk, and has thus decided to flame his way into MD history. Sorry to say, this board doesn't work like that.
No one has asked you to speak for them. You will not gain respect by making things up. I won't even begin to explain to you why sometimes a double negative does not mean the same thing as two positives. |
Brock Nelson |
Posted - 2009.10.21 08:42:00 - [ 54]
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita |
Posted - 2009.10.21 09:05:00 - [ 55]
Originally by: RaWBLooD
No one has asked you to speak for them. You will not gain respect by making things up. I won't even begin to explain to you why sometimes a double negative does not mean the same thing as two positives.
why would you use two positives? That's like saying I can can build a house. Though please explain to me when a double negative is not a positive. I didn't make anything up and I don't see where you got that from. If you read you'll see I said: Originally by: Signore Kaeota
I think
. And lol @ brock ^-^ |
Myra2007
Millstone Industries |
Posted - 2009.10.21 09:45:00 - [ 56]
Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Edited by: Signore Kaeota on 21/10/2009 01:55:47
40bil / 10 = 400mil
40mil / 1 = 40mil
Good enough math for me.
Good enough maybe but still p. bad. SCNR  |
Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita |
Posted - 2009.10.21 11:18:00 - [ 57]
Originally by: Myra2007
p. bad. SCNR
kindly explain the meaning of this in English. |
RAW23 |
Posted - 2009.10.21 11:58:00 - [ 58]
Maths does not equal language. A double negative in language is a tricky beast and need not straightforwardly and simply convert into a positive, partly because there are at least two types of positives. It's not the case that none of the people here are scammers might convert to either all the people here are scammers or to some of the people being scammers. But also, more importantly, to say something like "It's not unlucky" is not necessarily the same as to say "It is lucky" because "not unlucky" can be construed in a variety of ways (one might for instance deny that there is any such thing as luck).
And by the way, the OP is not an alt of mine. |
Claire Voyant |
Posted - 2009.10.21 12:29:00 - [ 59]
Since this thread is pretty much dead, I will relate a story I once heard in a Philosophy class:
During a lecture the Oxford linguistic philosopher J. L. Austin made the claim that although a double negative in English implies a positive meaning, there is no language in which a double positive implies a negative. From the back of the room, Sidney Morgenbesser could be heard muttering in a loud dismissive tone, "Yeah, yeah." |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition |
Posted - 2009.10.21 13:26:00 - [ 60]
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