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Burning Horizon
nul-li-fy
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:22:00 - [1]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Edited by: CCP Eris Discordia on 19/09/2009 13:22:14
It's not in the sisi patch notes because I don't know how to edit them, I think I have to mail them to someone who has access to it and then it is edited in. This hasn't been properly set up yet but for the next sisi update I think there will be more and more accurate notes ( at least from me)

It's a change meant to encourage people to join a player corporation and ofcourse concord needs to pay wages to their pilots on a regular basisWink


Oh we came to 11% after researching what the average tax was in player corporations, the NPC tax is a little bit above that average.



Looks like those isk farmers in Npc corps are getting a nerf Twisted Evil

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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:25:00 - [2]
 

Note to self, take a forum vacation before patch-day. Shocked

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:27:00 - [3]
 

I love the fact they used 11% as tax rate instead of the standard 10%. 11% for wardec immunity sounds fine to me and it's only a nerf to mission/ratting bounty income anyway, so industry and trade alts are unaffected.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:28:00 - [4]
 

Now raise it to 50%. I WANT REAL TEARS CCP. REAAAAAAAAAAAAAL TEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS!

Commencing forum ****down in 5... 4... 3... (timefluxdetected).. 1..

Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:31:00 - [5]
 

Quick, every player corp change your tax to 100% for a bit.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:33:00 - [6]
 

HOLY ****! THE TEARS! THE ****ING TEARS!Twisted Evil


the new expansion has just become the bestest ever with this.

Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:34:00 - [7]
 

Or add an 11% tax to all sell orders as well... Twisted Evil


baltec1
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:36:00 - [8]
 

CCP Eris Discordia deserves a beer from every player!

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:43:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: baltec1
CCP Eris Discordia deserves a beer from every player!
better yet, a keg.

Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:44:00 - [10]
 

I can't wait for this expansion... Laughing

Caiman Graystock
Caldari
Cornelius Starship and Computer Design
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:45:00 - [11]
 

Dominion is shaping up to be possibly the BEST expansion yet?

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Gunnanmon
Quick, every player corp change your tax to 100% for a bit.
Already doing my part to throw off the average. Twisted Evil

Skalet
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:48:00 - [13]
 

and the people rejoicedVery Happy

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:52:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
HOLY ****! THE TEARS! THE ****ING TEARS!Twisted Evil


the new expansion has just become the bestest ever with this.



It was already the best ever with the 0.0 changes... but now this. And the faction ships. And the AF boost. And the supercap changes. There's almost too much awesome in this expansion. I'm approaching critical levels of awesome overload.

Be careful, CCP, because this expansion is really going to raise the bar of people's expectations for the next one. Incarna had better be goddamb fantastic.

Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.09.19 14:53:00 - [15]
 

Maybe CCP does listen after all... Shocked

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:01:00 - [16]
 

now i would just love to see hove much those npc corps actually make throw this tax. Hope they keep records unlike real goverments that seems to lose money without knowing where it gone.Very Happy

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:08:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Gunnanmon
Quick, every player corp change your tax to 100% for a bit.
Good plan, but how would that work?
For every 100 ISK they would have earned, 1 is removed form their wallets? Razz

Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:15:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Quick, every player corp change your tax to 100% for a bit.
Good plan, but how would that work?
For every 100 ISK they would have earned, 1 is removed form their wallets? Razz


Or every isk is removed, depends on your definition of 100% tax :P

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:17:00 - [19]
 

This'll actually not matter all that much for mission runners.....

According to my statistics, taxable ISK income from L4 missions is 31% of the total you can earn. The rest comes from LP, loot and salvage.

This means that for a mission runner, the 11% will actually be an effective tax of 3.41%. Not really that high a cost for wardec immunity.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:19:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
This'll actually not matter all that much for mission runners.....

According to my statistics, taxable ISK income from L4 missions is 31% of the total you can earn. The rest comes from LP, loot and salvage.

This means that for a mission runner, the 11% will actually be an effective tax of 3.41%. Not really that high a cost for wardec immunity.

Not entirely true. That assumes that you are looting and salvaging. Many times, believe it or not, you can make more isk/hour without salvaging all together, and only looting choice wrecks when you have time.

Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
This'll actually not matter all that much for mission runners.....

According to my statistics, taxable ISK income from L4 missions is 31% of the total you can earn. The rest comes from LP, loot and salvage.

This means that for a mission runner, the 11% will actually be an effective tax of 3.41%. Not really that high a cost for wardec immunity.



True or not, it's still fodder for teh whiners. So it will prolly matter more than it actually does,if you know what I mean.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
This'll actually not matter all that much for mission runners.....

According to my statistics, taxable ISK income from L4 missions is 31% of the total you can earn. The rest comes from LP, loot and salvage.

This means that for a mission runner, the 11% will actually be an effective tax of 3.41%. Not really that high a cost for wardec immunity.



Maybe so, but it will at least strongly incentivise looting and salvaging and LP over the wholly non-competitive pure ISK making component of mission income. This means that the PvP part of mission income is made more attractive. Also, it's counter inflationary (more stuff created, less ISK created).

Let the ninja salvage whines begin.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:22:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 19/09/2009 15:30:34
Originally by: Blane Xero
Not entirely true. That assumes that you are looting and salvaging. Many times, believe it or not, you can make more isk/hour without salvaging all together, and only looting choice wrecks when you have time.

True... However, even if it goes up to 5% or so effective tax, I still think it is cheap Cool

It'll also change the 'when-is-it-worth-salvaging/looting' equation slightly....
Originally by: Malcanis
Maybe so, but it will at least strongly incentivise looting and salvaging and LP over the wholly non-competitive pure ISK making component of mission income.

I think 'strongly' is too big a word.... 'nudge' is probably more apt...
Originally by: Malcanis
Also, it's counter inflationary (more stuff created, less ISK created).

I don't actually think this is what is needed! Minerals are hitting the artificial 'floor' under mineral prices set by insurance, which indicates that there are in fact too MANY minerals in the game and not enough ISK.
Salvage is also going down, though it'll still take a while before we know where it'll settle after the rig changes.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:22:00 - [24]
 

It's a fair change. Good IMO.

BTW,
Originally by: Grimpak
HOLY ****! THE TEARS! THE ****ING TEARS!Twisted Evil


the new expansion has just become the bestest ever with this.

If tears is what you're looking for, check out GD and Assembly Hall. Plenty of tears there due to recent scanner changes, unless of course pirate tears don't count Wink.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:24:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
It's a fair change. Good IMO.

BTW,
Originally by: Grimpak
HOLY ****! THE TEARS! THE ****ING TEARS!Twisted Evil


the new expansion has just become the bestest ever with this.

If tears is what you're looking for, check out GD and Assembly Hall. Plenty of tears there due to recent scanner changes, unless of course pirate tears don't count Wink.
Why am i the only non-pirate who hates the scanner changes Neutral

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:30:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 19/09/2009 15:32:45
Ohnoes! Need a market alt in a one man corp to sell my stuff.

Wait. I got 3 of those already. Phew...

EDIT: And the reason for not putting it in the patch notes... it is not like this would be the first time where CCP implements hugely unpopular changes and "forgetting" to put it in the patch notes.Rolling Eyes

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Ohnoes! Need a market alt in a one man corp to sell my stuff.

Wait. I got 3 of those already. Phew...


Corp tax doesn't apply to market activity.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:36:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 19/09/2009 15:35:56
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Ohnoes! Need a market alt in a one man corp to sell my stuff.

Wait. I got 3 of those already. Phew...


Corp tax doesn't apply to market activity.


Dang, no reason to leave STI at all then.Neutral

Benwah
Empire Arms Dealers
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:40:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 19/09/2009 15:32:45
Ohnoes! Need a market alt in a one man corp to sell my stuff.

Wait. I got 3 of those already. Phew...

EDIT: And the reason for not putting it in the patch notes... it is not like this would be the first time where CCP implements hugely unpopular changes and "forgetting" to put it in the patch notes.Rolling Eyes
Why would you need market alts in one man corps? The tax only applies to mission rewards and bounties.

Also, I don't think this idea will be unpopular. More carebears in player corps = more funYARRRR!!



Come and get it

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:43:00 - [30]
 

Confirming that I will be collecting the tears tax..


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