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Faife
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2009.08.28 15:55:00 - [ 1]
dear people who are awesome enough to code automatic influence/sov maps: could you set one up so that instead of counting outposts/stations/sov, it primarly counts mineral moons? the weighing would be dynamic to reflect the jita profit possible from that moon, with some afterthoughts to outposts/sov. i realize that this will have very little resemblance to what appears on the "Sovereignty" line next to the system name in EVE proper, and will not be 100% accurate since there are other methods of massive isk income, but i think it would be a more accurate representation of who really runs bartertown. if nothing else, please consider it. ty. in before "high ends are supersecret, you'll never get my list  " |
Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:42:00 - [ 2]
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Ykatni
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:44:00 - [ 3]
Edited by: Ykatni on 28/08/2009 16:45:47http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moonsIt's only accurate based on the source of the moon scans, but it is pretty damn close when compared to my scan results for a few regions. It is not complete, but you can tell that from the data coverage column. |
Mitch Taylor
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes |
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:00:00 - [ 4]
The dotlan moon tables are pretty accurate. Only found a few little errors, the more reports he gets the more this tool will be valuable for all.
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Faife
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:13:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Betty Boom
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/
Something like this exists.
dotlan doesn't tell you who owns the moons, just who owns the sov in the systems. those two are not the same, specially in low sec :P |
Mitch Taylor
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes |
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:19:00 - [ 6]
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Morvyn
Caldari
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League |
Posted - 2009.08.28 17:30:00 - [ 7]
I have to say I like this idea, but it's simply not practical from a development standpoint. The fact that CCP provides no API for applications to find out: 1) Which moons have which minerals in them. 2) Average market prices on things (eve-central kind of does this, but CCP really needs to release their own API for it; eve-central kind of sucks tbqfh). 3) Who has a tower anchored on each moon (and whether or not they actually have a moon miner anchored & onlined). Not to mention the fact that the amount of profit from moons can vary quite a bit depending on what the person mining it does with it -- sell it straight, simple react it and then sell it, do a full-on complex reaction and then sell it, or go all the way to T2 components or even T2 modules/ships... Honestly the only way this would be even partly "possible" is if all the major alliances reported what moons they owned and their locations, along with how much profit they made off the moons -- and that isn't going to happen, because high end moons are totally-super-sekrit.  |
Cors
Gallente
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance |
Posted - 2009.08.28 23:13:00 - [ 8]
I'd be happy for a map that shows the sov of systems, and links them, but does NOT give extra range due to Outposts and such. Some alliance's in 0.0 you can't even SEE their space on the maps, due to them having only one outpost where an adjoining alliance may have 10, and the "influence" from the 10 overides the one.
Basically a sov map that shows the actual borders between sov holding entities. |
R0ot
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.08.28 23:36:00 - [ 9]
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VCBee2888
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.29 00:07:00 - [ 10]
keeping entries for hundreds of moons up to date sounds like a lot of "fun" for whoever gets to maintain this theoretical map |
Ruth Liss
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:40:00 - [ 11]
The Dotlan numbers are decent but for instance they are missing 3 entire regions of high ends in the drone regions. Malpais has some, Outer Passage has some and Cobalt Edge have some.
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Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr
Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2009.08.29 01:42:00 - [ 12]
What happened to doing powerblocs? Why arent they done anymore, I liked them, made it easier to see who was scared of who,.. |
R0ot
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2009.08.29 02:49:00 - [ 13]
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.29 04:46:00 - [ 14]
Good idea it just has a small drawback. How do you automate the moon scanning?  The sov data is automatically gathered each day from the Eve API. Moon ownership is not exported. |
Menton Cariner
Amarr
G-Force Enterprises
New Eden Mining Conglomerate |
Posted - 2009.08.29 04:56:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition
What happened to doing powerblocs? Why arent they done anymore, I liked them, made it easier to see who was scared of who,..
U mad |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.29 05:24:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Menton Cariner
Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition
What happened to doing powerblocs? Why arent they done anymore, I liked them, made it easier to see who was scared of who,..
U mad
Yes. Absolutely frustratimated. |
Holy Lowlander
Amarr
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate. |
Posted - 2009.08.29 07:09:00 - [ 17]
I doubt this map is complete tbh (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons)(and that is only highend wise)
Cache , Cobalt Edge , Curse , Great Wildlands , Outer Passage , Periggen Falls, The spire not having any highend moons at all can't be correct , can it ?
And are branch , tenal and tribute really *that* low on highendmoons ? |
BiaXia
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.08.29 07:34:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
I doubt this map is complete tbh (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons)(and that is only highend wise)
Cache , Cobalt Edge , Curse , Great Wildlands , Outer Passage , Periggen Falls, The spire not having any highend moons at all can't be correct , can it ?
And are branch , tenal and tribute really *that* low on highendmoons ?
The dotlan is hardly reliable when it comes to high-end counts, it's all information compiled from outside sources. I think a good amount of that info comes from leaked info here and there. Places that change hands more often tend to have the more reliable info, as more people know where the high-ends are. Branch, Tenal and Tribute haven't really changed hands that often. I think the closest any of them have come to being in any real danger was the MAX campaign, and I believe that only just barely scratched into Tribute before it fizzled. Places like Deklein, Cloud Ring, and most of the central southern regions have changed hands a good number of times, so that info is better known. |
Cors
Gallente
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance |
Posted - 2009.08.29 14:51:00 - [ 19]
Was there not an EVE DB Export or something that showed all the Moon locations/types somewhere somewhen? |
Creed Demastikus
Minmatar
House of Demastikus
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Posted - 2009.08.29 19:11:00 - [ 20]
i missed "Joshua Foiritain" style map :( it was eye candy.. okay sometimes its favors bob etc but still it was good i'm not saying current ones bad or something but that map ( That Map ) was realy making things easy to see. and there was marks on it for titan lose etc who attacking who, who with who, who agaisnt who, |
Tanx0r
Caldari
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2009.08.30 00:09:00 - [ 21]
Edited by: Tanx0r on 30/08/2009 00:10:48
The EVE API holds dynamic sov info per solarsystem and per constellation only.
The EVE database dump holds static information on amounts of moons in orbit of each planet in each solarsystem. It also holds information on what type of star and which types of planets there are in each solarsystem.
If those say anything about the type of stuff you can harvest from the moons surrounding those planets I do not know. Haven't been looking at the database dumps for a looooong time now.
Edit: typo |
Faife
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2009.08.30 00:28:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Tanx0r
Edited by: Tanx0r on 30/08/2009 00:10:48
The EVE API holds dynamic sov info per solarsystem and per constellation only.
The EVE database dump holds static information on amounts of moons in orbit of each planet in each solarsystem. It also holds information on what type of star and which types of planets there are in each solarsystem.
If those say anything about the type of stuff you can harvest from the moons surrounding those planets I do not know. Haven't been looking at the database dumps for a looooong time now.
Edit: typo
to my understanding, you can't. it'd either require a rewrite of the API export to show moon sov (fat chance), or work like the list of all known titans (nightmarish, but possible) |
Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control |
Posted - 2009.08.30 02:04:00 - [ 23]
At least as far as the current influence map is concerned, this is entirely doable. The meat of the code is drawing, it's very easy to rewrite the "who has sov here" bits to count moons instead. It's a weekend project, at the longest.
As others have pointed out, the problems are related to getting the information, not displaying it. I have no way to query who actually owns any given moon - the best I can do is look at sovereignty. I have a similar problem with stations, so I just default to basing it off of who has sov there since it's rare that the sov holder isn't the station holder. For moons, this probably isn't reliable enough.
I also don't have a list of moons. Without a good list (and Dotlan probably isn't good enough) the map probably wouldn't be accurate enough to matter. |
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