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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:49:00 - [ 811]
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Heroldyn |
Posted - 2009.08.25 12:56:00 - [ 812]
how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster. |
Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:57:00 - [ 813]
 Originally by: Heroldyn
how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
Because it has happened before, and is becoming increasingly common. |
Agonizer42 |
Posted - 2009.08.25 15:13:00 - [ 814]
Originally by: Heroldyn
how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why |
Heroldyn |
Posted - 2009.08.25 15:47:00 - [ 815]
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn
how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why
sure. consoles are more restricted than pc's. they have restricted hardware and (for an fps game) restricted controls. developing a game for a limited platform like this makes it very difficult and time consuming to lateron port onto a less restricted system (pc) (if done with quality in mind). a better way of developing a game is to develop it for the least limited system first and then port it down to the more restriced plattforms. to come back to my analogy above, this would be taking a wall-poster format image, and then shrink it down onto a 600x800 pixel web image. the image will look good on the wall aswell as on the internet. typically companies would develop a game towards consoles for two reasons: a) because off less variaty in hardware, the development process is easier. - this is the reason why console ports to pc's often run/perform very bad or have many bugs, whilest games initially targeted for a pc release and then ported down the the consoles usually dont. b) because they want to specifically target the console-player audience- and then they might later decide to cash in a few extra bugs with a pc port. from the companies perspective both does make sense, but from a player perspective its rather sad. |
Agonizer42 |
Posted - 2009.08.25 16:38:00 - [ 816]
Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn
how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why
sure. consoles are more restricted than pc's. they have restricted hardware and (for an fps game) restricted
controls. developing a game for a limited platform like this makes it very difficult and time consuming to lateron port onto
a less restricted system (pc) (if done with quality in mind).
a better way of developing a game is to develop it for the least limited system first and then port it down to the more restriced plattforms.
to come back to my analogy above, this would be taking a wall-poster format image, and then shrink it down onto a 600x800 pixel web image. the image will look good on the wall aswell as on the internet.
typically companies would develop a game towards consoles for two reasons:
a) because off less variaty in hardware, the development process is easier.
- this is the reason why console ports to pc's often run/perform very bad or have many bugs, whilest games initially targeted for a pc release and then ported down the the consoles usually dont.
b) because they want to specifically target the console-player audience- and then they might later decide to cash in a few extra bugs with a pc port.
from the companies perspective both does make sense, but from a player perspective its rather sad.
im sure i could name you as much games which have been successfully converted from console to PC, as you could name games which have been successfully converted from PC to console. For example: Bioshock |
Kaizer Douken |
Posted - 2009.08.25 16:42:00 - [ 817]
I hope it doesn't come to PC :D More interesting that way |
Heroldyn |
Posted - 2009.08.25 17:09:00 - [ 818]
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn
Originally by: Agonizer42
Originally by: Heroldyn
how can people hope for a console game to get ported to the pc ?
thats like taking a 600x800 pixel image from the internet and printing it onto a huge wall-poster.
can you please explain why
sure. consoles are more restricted than pc's. they have restricted hardware and (for an fps game) restricted
controls. developing a game for a limited platform like this makes it very difficult and time consuming to lateron port onto
a less restricted system (pc) (if done with quality in mind).
a better way of developing a game is to develop it for the least limited system first and then port it down to the more restriced plattforms.
to come back to my analogy above, this would be taking a wall-poster format image, and then shrink it down onto a 600x800 pixel web image. the image will look good on the wall aswell as on the internet.
typically companies would develop a game towards consoles for two reasons:
a) because off less variaty in hardware, the development process is easier.
- this is the reason why console ports to pc's often run/perform very bad or have many bugs, whilest games initially targeted for a pc release and then ported down the the consoles usually dont.
b) because they want to specifically target the console-player audience- and then they might later decide to cash in a few extra bugs with a pc port.
from the companies perspective both does make sense, but from a player perspective its rather sad.
im sure i could name you as much games which have been successfully converted from console to PC, as you could name games which have been successfully converted from PC to console.
For example: Bioshock
the bioshock example dont really work for you there. it was designed from 2k to be a multi-platform game from the get-go. and even through the huge efforts the company put into making it a fun experience on all platforms, each had very specific issues (on the pc mostly sound issues, graphical hickups and 'Accelerated Mouse-control issues'/inprecise aiming). however, many of theese problems are also due to the engine the used (ue3), an engine advertised from its developer to be very good for multiplattform game development. this engine was still being developed by epic games while 2k allready used it for bioshock development and even tho they put tremendous efforts into straitening it, they could not solve all issues in time (mouse-accelleration, perfomance issues...) again, it was propably not a wise idea to develop simultaniously for multiple plattforms,- even tho the result was better than had they first developed it specifically for consoles and then just ported to the pc. also, when you use the term "successfully", it is important to differantiate between market-wise successfull (they sold alot of copies), and gameexperience-wise successfull (the game offered the best possible game experience). |
Agonizer42 |
Posted - 2009.08.25 17:29:00 - [ 819]
Edited by: Agonizer42 on 25/08/2009 17:29:36 Originally by: Heroldyn
also, when you use the term "successfully", it is important to differantiate between market-wise successfull (they sold alot of copies),
and gameexperience-wise successfull (the game offered the best possible game experience).
well in the end the only thing that matters for me is that they develop it for BOTH the PC and Consoles so that i can have my two eve accounts open on my two PC monitors, and have my dust soldier online on my ps3 in my bedroom as well, so that can play three game instances at once. And the others who dont have a console are then happy too. How about that? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
Lady Vorax
Amarr
Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:22:00 - [ 820]
fps play best on PC. end of story.
Getting pretty much forced to buy a console to play dust (you have a disadvantagewhen playing the sov game) Suck fockign balls. |
Nachshon
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:42:00 - [ 821]
Here's a thought as to how it might work:
Dust will be tied to factional warfare (at first). All planets in a warzone (excluding gas giants, which cannot be fought over) will be either held (controlled completely by one side) or disputed (fought over by both sides).
The first stage in capturing a planet is to land troops there. Thanks to the use of cloned soldiers, all that is needed is a "pilot base". Once a pilot base is established, soldiers can move in and start fighting. Later transports can provide additional weapons.
There are two ways militia pilots will be able to affect planetary battles at first. One is by setting up blockades at stargates. If done well, this can make establishing a pilot base impossible. They can also prevent resupply, forcing troops on planets to use captured weapons or possibly manufacture new ones. Conversely, they can aid the transports - escorting them or even doing it themselves. Later, a system will be developed so militia pilots can directly impact battles (planetary bombardment, or even flying in with frigates to provide fire support).
A large portion of the player base for this game will come not from EVE players, but from console FPS fans. There’s every possibility that entire clans would immigrate to Dust. The best clans will learn to establish contact with the militias and work with them, so they can keep their most important areas safe. While I know a lot of EVE players will want to also play Dust, I can’t see the
There will have to be some way for planetary battles to impact the outcome of the larger war. If a system at large is controlled by (for example) the Caldari militia, but the Gallente armies control the planets, what effect does this have? One way would be to build sensor outposts on the planets that are many times more powerful than anything a ship can mount. It would be easy to pinpoint combat sites or enemy ships if you control the planets. In the above scenario, a Gallente blob working with the Gallente-controlled planets could easily capture the entire system, with no time wasted scanning for combat sites. Later, we could also have planetary bases. Planets themselves might be worth victory points.
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TalonClark |
Posted - 2009.08.25 20:07:00 - [ 822]
All i can say is:
I want to play the full game and experience every bit of it. With Dust out, this will no longer be possible if you dont buy a console, and i really have no use for consoles.
Its nice that they try it, but in the end they do with Dust what we all hoped would happen with Ambulation. Now, i'm not sure Console Gamers will really get the feeling of beeing part of EVE either, so it could very well end in a desaster for both games.
Dust, just another shooter, will loose its followers after a few months, leaving EVE without good sovereignity control system? Talking about digging ones own grave...
I wish them the best...i really do. |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance |
Posted - 2009.08.25 20:33:00 - [ 823]
Originally by: Lady Vorax
fps play best on PC. end of story. Quote:
An opinion doesn't end an argument. |
T'san Manaan
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.08.25 20:43:00 - [ 824]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Lady Vorax
fps play best on PC. end of story. Quote:
An opinion doesn't end an argument.
No, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling eve is dying over and over really loud until everyone realizes theres no point in talking to you anymore does |
oniplE
MeMento. |
Posted - 2009.08.25 20:58:00 - [ 825]
Community: Will there be a PC release?
CCP: No comment
Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B. |
Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service |
Posted - 2009.08.25 22:56:00 - [ 826]
What about Dust on the PC?Two different correspondents at the gamescom have questioned Petursson about the platforms its being developed for. The first, from gamespot.com received the following answer: We questioned P. about the platforms the game is being developed for, as well as subscr. details, but he declined to comment at this time. But it was confirmed that the game was being developed for "current generation hardware."LinkageThe second report, from 4players.de: 4players.de talked to P. after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. P. smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be ca console version.Linkage |
Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service |
Posted - 2009.08.25 23:00:00 - [ 827]
New Video-Interview with Petursson on golem.deLinkageCompiled Fan-Video of all the old and new ingame footageyoutube.com |
aka Ishur
Aperture Harmonics
K162 |
Posted - 2009.08.25 23:08:00 - [ 828]
um in the fan video at around 3:00....is that ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!!111 |
Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service |
Posted - 2009.08.25 23:14:00 - [ 829]
Originally by: aka Ishur
um in the fan video at around 3:00....is that ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!!111
could be. i guess we will know more at the fanfest |
Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service |
Posted - 2009.08.25 23:39:00 - [ 830]
Originally by: oniplE
Community: Will there be a PC release?
CCP: No comment
Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B.
in the new interview, he has still NOT commented on a pc-version, which means he has still not denied a possible pc version. He only said, the focus ATM is on the consoles |
Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:06:00 - [ 831]
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: oniplE
Community: Will there be a PC release?
CCP: No comment
Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B.
in the new interview, he has still NOT commented on a pc-version, which means he has still not denied a possible pc version. He only said, the focus ATM is on the consoles
This makes me think that CCP is "testing the waters" with the console version. If the console version succeeds, they will release a PC version. If the console version fails, they will not. However, if the console version is TOO successful, CCP may decide to abandon PC development entirely as they could conclude that console development is more profitable. |
Biggi Raeubertochter
Minmatar
Apina.
United Pod Service |
Posted - 2009.08.26 07:02:00 - [ 832]
Originally by: Taedrin
This makes me think that CCP is "testing the waters" with the console version. If the console version succeeds, they will release a PC version. If the console version fails, they will not. However, if the console version is TOO successful, CCP may decide to abandon PC development entirely as they could conclude that console development is more profitable.
what we will definately not see is a pc version right from the start. but hopefully soon(tm) after. |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2009.08.26 08:47:00 - [ 833]
What are the ships shown on the tactical map in this pic? I can spot a Thorax on the right, but is it a Ferox and a Legion on the left? |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance |
Posted - 2009.08.26 11:31:00 - [ 834]
Originally by: T'san Manaan
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Lady Vorax
fps play best on PC. end of story. Quote:
An opinion doesn't end an argument.
No, but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling eve is dying over and over really loud until everyone realizes theres no point in talking to you anymore does
Got damn i've got to stop drinking when reading this place, I keep choking/spitting.
What the hell is with the quote too, it's stacking everywhere.  |
Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Damu'Khonde |
Posted - 2009.08.26 18:13:00 - [ 835]
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: aka Ishur
um in the fan video at around 3:00....is that ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT!!!!!111
could be. i guess we will know more at the fanfest
Looks more like a ship to ship fight to me, like the one in the new video. Missiles come in from overhead. Anyone expecting orbital bombardment needs to manage their expectations somewhat :p a) it will be almost impossible to implement b) it would be game breaking for the DUST players |
CyberGh0st II
Minmatar
Ara Veritas |
Posted - 2009.08.26 22:21:00 - [ 836]
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Tamahra
Originally by: oniplE
Community: Will there be a PC release?
CCP: No comment
Community: OMG! There is hope!
I'm not so sure "No comment" is such a positive answer, sounds like the pc version is plan B.
in the new interview, he has still NOT commented on a pc-version, which means he has still not denied a possible pc version. He only said, the focus ATM is on the consoles
This makes me think that CCP is "testing the waters" with the console version. If the console version succeeds, they will release a PC version. If the console version fails, they will not. However, if the console version is TOO successful, CCP may decide to abandon PC development entirely as they could conclude that console development is more profitable.
Or perhaps they are just checking to see how much flames they got for not releasing a PC version and how many actually leave over it. If the rage is tollerable and not too many leave over it, they just go on and don't release a PC version. Just a theory :p |
Ritter Roland
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.08.27 07:10:00 - [ 837]
Originally by: CyberGh0st II
Or perhaps they are just checking to see how much flames they got for not releasing a PC version and how many actually leave over it.
If the rage is tollerable and not too many leave over it, they just go on and don't release a PC version.
Just a theory :p
or they see all the rage that is going on about it, and decide they release both versions at the same time |
Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service |
Posted - 2009.08.27 12:02:00 - [ 838]
New Video-Interview with Petursson on golem.deThe Video-Interview itself is in english, the text version on that site is in german though. Most important points: Maybe playable version on fanfest; Not all planets in eve will be battleground; In the winter-expansion we will see which planets will be battlegrounds; P. does again NOT comment on a PC version, he says, the focus atm is for Console LinkageMy compiled Fan-Video of all old and new ingame footageI made it earlier tonight :X youtube.comMoar ScreenshotsSee Page 27 of this thread What about Dust on the PC?There is still hope. See Page 28 for the information i was able to gather about this. Nice Dust-blog, from Brendan Drain of massively.com:Its about facts and speculation; see www.massively.comFull 8-minutes Dust Video from the gamecomThanks to T'san Manaan www.dust514.orgFitting-Screen of a planetary vehicleThanks to Dillon Arklight, Co-host of PODDED PodcastPicture to be found here: a.imagehost.orgwww.dust.514.orgFor more infos/news about dust look at www.dust514.orgThis will also be the place where news from the Fanfest will probably pop up first Onlinewelten.de has snagged some info from PeturssonThe important points: Walking in Stations is to be expected next year; An upgrade to the planets is to be expected next year; COSMOS will play a great role for the community of both platforms; One playmode in dust will be "domination". Its about capturing/holding strategic points, and comes with the ability to install buildings. LinkageVideo Interview gamona.de:Roughly put-together text version on page 24, 25 of this thread LinkageInteresting editorial from mmorp.com managing editor jon woodOn how dust combined with EVE Online has the potential to change the virtual world space, but he reflects also on the bulk of the opposition to Dust's announcement LinkageLooking at Screenshots:I thought it might be interesting to analyze some of the screenshots. All Links go to my photobucket album. Especially to counter the emoraging thats going on. The screenshots, as i interpret them, prove that theres no reason to call the end upon eve, because of dust. Because of tight space, look up the screenshots on page 22 of this thread. Or look them up here: www.dust514.org and leave a comment or two xD News-Update 21.08.09: heise.de talks to Peturssonsee page 25 in this thread for the full translation and Link. Probably an abo based on-line shooter in a MMO world; Constantly evolved and updated with new content; Players gain experience, more power, access to better equipment; Direct communicatiation between Eve and Dust players |
oil
Double-L |
Posted - 2009.08.27 12:31:00 - [ 839]
Edited by: oil on 27/08/2009 12:56:23
id say lets boycott dust if they dont bring it out for pc. if they miss the potential 100k subscribers from eve, then they might see the error of their ways or suffer. their choice |
Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service |
Posted - 2009.08.27 12:51:00 - [ 840]
ok i have put up a final summary for dust in the original post, enjoy |
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