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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:40:00 - [1]

Raise your hand if you wish the in-game browser was better. Okay, don't all rush, we get it... we get it. And so does Team Slartibartfast and CCP Pleognost, who's newest dev blog clues us in on what exactly a Moondoggie is. Gidgets or gadgets or something like that. Enjoy!

Posted - 2009.08.14 21:49:00 - [2]

Very HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2009.08.14 21:59:00 - [3]

Want. Now. Very Happy


Cod war Heroes
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:04:00 - [4]

tl;dr: The ingame browser is being replaced by something based on webkit

This is good news, CCP have tried to reinvent the wheel for far too long on this one. Can we have a decent mail reader now?

Echoes of Space
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:06:00 - [5]

Finally we get a real browser to work with \o/

Posted - 2009.08.14 22:08:00 - [6]

Originally by: Jameroz
Finally we get a real browser to work with \o/


Posted - 2009.08.14 22:21:00 - [7]

very nice.

this should be able to run flash applications from the sounds of it.... this is a very good thing imo.

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:23:00 - [8]

I really do hope it supports Flash so things like the EVE World Design Contest results (using Metaplace) can work from right inside the game.

Kamehameha I's Revenge
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:27:00 - [9]

Very nice!

Through Actions
Weapons Grade Industries
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:31:00 - [10]

Sweet! I never thought this would actually happen. Very Happy

Posted - 2009.08.14 22:36:00 - [11]

\o/ and there was much rejoicing!

Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:40:00 - [12]

Cool saves me hitting alt+ tab alot!!

IceBlade Rage
Immortalis Silens
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:48:00 - [13]

...and there was much rejoicing by those of us who build webtools for eve!

Sri Nova
Posted - 2009.08.14 22:53:00 - [14]

Yay !!!!! I can now has **** while i Play !!

I canaty wait

OV Marius
Core Antum
Posted - 2009.08.14 23:06:00 - [15]

Thank you CCP, finally more then simple pages with tables Very Happy

Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.08.14 23:17:00 - [16]

Good job CCP. Don't rebuild what has been done already, rejig it to fit your platform, then chuck it in!

Professor Dumbledore
Posted - 2009.08.14 23:39:00 - [17]

Edited by: Professor Dumbledore on 14/08/2009 23:52:12
Webkit was the right choice :)

Our GS Dev teams are very happy at the though of not having to use backwards html anymore,

Taunting Yu
The NightClub
Posted - 2009.08.14 23:42:00 - [18]

Glad to see this is coming around. The downside to the currently IGB-compatible webpages will be that many of them are no longer updated for various reasons (person has quit playing and left the site as a convenience to the rest of the world, etc).

It would be interesting to see some of the more typical websites being able to display. I have a feeling that if it requires a plug-in (such as Flash scripts and movies), it won't be supported, as that requires trust of CCP to allow in the client. I could be completely wrong, too. Comments, devs?

Sethose Olderon
Gryphon Chancellery
Gryphon League
Posted - 2009.08.14 23:58:00 - [19]

Thanks for finally getting on this CCP, much thanks! I assume this is being done so that COSMOS 2 will work in-game. Very Happy

Volatile Instability
Posted - 2009.08.14 23:59:00 - [20]


I'm so happy right now

Very Happy

Truely Altish
Posted - 2009.08.15 00:18:00 - [21]

pure sex

...a moment of silence for all the great old sites that wont be "upgraded" to work with this

p.s. I await the first epic spy/hack using this new interface, to become the drama llama of the week/month soon.

Regat Kozovv
Posted - 2009.08.15 00:26:00 - [22]


GO CCP! ExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamation

D Gelalder
Core Antum
Posted - 2009.08.15 00:31:00 - [23]

This should be interesting development. Good luck with the implementations!

Now for some questions, as I prefer to browse around using a white-lists.
Meaning i have to give a site permission to to either store cookies or run java-scripts.
I would like to know if this will be possible with the "moondoggie".

Some IGB specific requests/questions:

- Ability to define which headers are being send using the "trusted site".
For example, split them up in categories. Character, location, roles. This should be self-explanatory, but an example none the less: Lets take a travel planning site, the only info it would need is your current location. It doesn't need to know who you are or what your roles are.

Also ability to blacklist sites to stop them from asking would be nice.
For those of you who say they need these for security reasons.. you're an idiot.

- Ability to create "give money to.." links with target character or corp with amount and reason.
This should make things easier for corps that handle a lot of isk transfers, like payouts or banks or whatever else.
Website only please, I can already imagine the amount of scam-spam in channels if they ever find a way to post it. Also set the default action to cancel, so a itchy keyboard finger will just cancel the transaction.

Memphis Baas
Posted - 2009.08.15 00:34:00 - [24]

1. Please make sure that the in-game USER has full control over the IGB, and plenty of settings to disable whatever parts of the IGB he/she doesn't want. We've grown accustomed to complex browsers and having the ability to allow/deny plugins, addons, cookies, and the like.

2. Consider maintaining an official portal site. One of the very-often asked questions on the newbie forums is "where can I find a guide or tool about subject x?"

3. Are these forums going to be viewable from in-game? Can we post from in-game? I mean...

Arkady Sadik
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.08.15 00:39:00 - [25]

You are awesome! Thanks so much! :-D

Regat Kozovv
Posted - 2009.08.15 00:48:00 - [26]

Now that I've had a chance to calm down (probably didn't take very long) I want to draw attention to something.

Originally by:
Of course, this sort of interaction needs to be tightly locked down. Security is our number one priority. We're doing absolutely everything in our power to ensure that Moondoggie won't wipe-out. We're scrubbing squeaky-clean any input taken from the browser, and we're also snagging a trick from Chrome's playbook.

I'm absolutely ecstatic that CCP is taking security this seriously. However, should vulnerabilities be found in the Chromium toolkit (and no doubt they will in the future as more scrutiny is placed on it) then there's a chance that the IGB would be vulnerable in certain instances as well.

I don't say this to suggest that this project shouldn't go forward, but I always assumed that one reason the IGB did not get much attention was because it was a bag of worms CCP didn't want to open. Browsers have a ton of scrutiny placed on them, with compromises being found for all types constantly. Any such effort to build a IGB would not only require a good secure configuration, but upkeep and timely response to new threats and vulnerabilities.

I'm excited about a new IGB and what it will bring. I hope though that CCP will keep a close eye on this though and be ready to address issues that arise in a rapid fashion. As EVE broadens it's scope to embrace more of the web and spread outside of the EVE client, the importance of security and it's demands grows higher as well. The effort of securing a system grows with it's complexity.

If CCP understands that this effort will require some constant level of attention in addition to the standard development and subsequent hardening, then I look forward to the awesome features this will bring. =)

Arkady Sadik
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.08.15 00:50:00 - [27]

A bit more elaborate answer:

We also want to hear from the authors of IGB-driven sites - what can we do to make your lives easier?

The IGB has a number of nice features, but the main problem for me usually is authentication. While a user can make a site "trusted" to show it all sorts of stuff, the site can not trust the user at all - all the headers can be faked easily.

Some way to actually authenticate the user (possibly by providing an expiring cookie number that you can verify with the API?) would be really nice.

Also, getting rid of the requirement for the typeid in character showinfo links (or actually, all CharacterID showinfo links ;-)) would be nice - right now, you can already just use any typeid, like Sebiestor or whichever, for any character, so requiring the typeid is annoying at best.

ZW Dewitt
Posted - 2009.08.15 01:27:00 - [28]

Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2009.08.15 01:32:00 - [29]

Bad chrome bad chrome, why of all the browsers pick it to be based off of the same crud infesting chrome, please make this crap optional pretty please google software fails they should stick to search engines >.<

Quam Singulari
Posted - 2009.08.15 01:40:00 - [30]

Originally by: Regat Kozovv
If CCP understands that this effort will require some constant level of attention in addition to the standard development and subsequent hardening, then I look forward to the awesome features this will bring. =)

Afik IGB is rewritten twice and lets hope this third time is a charm.

If you're smart you will treat this as a huge security leak at first and wait and see if it actually can be used.

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