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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2009.07.08 23:33:00 - [ 31]
 Originally by: Lacaius
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The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network.
Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about....
Noob. Network Address TranslationCan't follow his own advice.. Hm.. 3/10 for the Troll |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.08 23:37:00 - [ 32]
I gave him a 5/10 only due to his persistance. |
Wash Dirre
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.07.08 23:38:00 - [ 33]
But I like being my own fleet.....  |
pa'ak ma |
Posted - 2009.07.08 23:38:00 - [ 34]
grunt in technology ignorance nonshocker |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.09 00:09:00 - [ 35]
I would love to see people only able to play one account at a time as I think it would vastly improve the game and eliminate much of the meta-gaming that goes on.
However, I can virtually guarantee you it will never happen.
It would be almost impossible to enforce without messing with people playing from the same location also, for one thing.
Many MUDs and probably some MMOs don't allow it, but it's already allowed in Eve, so I seriously doubt it'd ever be banned. The outcry from the meta-gamers would be legendary.
I only have one character and one account and I'm proud of it. |
Idocrase |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:13:00 - [ 36]
But if we network all the computers the Cylons can hack our firewalls!
OP: *Never mind. I wrote a brief treatise on how the internet and IP addresses actually function, but I decided that since the OP is too gorram stupid to follow his own advise and research the subject, (Movies about hacking from the 1980's doesn't count as research), I wouldnt give away MY hard earned knowledge for less than 100,000,000ISK*
There could be two people in my house. We would not both be able to play at the same time if your stupid idea came into effect.
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Lukriss
Caldari
Notorious Legion
Tactical Narcotics Team |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:19:00 - [ 37]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Lacaius
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The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network.
Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about....
Noob. Network Address Translation
Can't follow his own advice..
Hm.. 3/10 for the Troll
This. Also, learn something as simple as math. Every IP consists of 4 8bit binary numbers, which allows it values from 0 to 255 (2^8-1), giving us a total of 256^4 = 4,228,250,625 so 4.2b ip addresses, now subtract from that all the ip's not available to the isps to give out to the "generel public" (generelly because they're owned by companies or governments), do you really think we'd have enough IP's for everyone? 6b people in the world, i realize not everyone needs one, but some needs several, i personally use 6 (PC, Laptop, Cellphone, NAS, Xbox, and Xbox360), now add servers (just google had 450k of those in 2006), schools and companies and tell me again how you expect there to be enough for everyone? |
Lacaius |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:19:00 - [ 38]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Lacaius
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The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network.
Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about....
Noob. Network Address Translation
Can't follow his own advice..
Hm.. 3/10 for the Troll
Lets learn something new... http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html |
Lacaius |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:21:00 - [ 39]
Originally by: Idocrase
But if we network all the computers the Cylons can hack our firewalls!
OP: *Never mind. I wrote a brief treatise on how the internet and IP addresses actually function, but I decided that since the OP is too gorram stupid to follow his own advise and research the subject, (Movies about hacking from the 1980's doesn't count as research), I wouldnt give away MY hard earned knowledge for less than 100,000,000ISK*
There could be two people in my house. We would not both be able to play at the same time if your stupid idea came into effect.
Read.... http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html |
Idocrase |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:23:00 - [ 40]
Originally by: Lacaius
Originally by: Idocrase
But if we network all the computers the Cylons can hack our firewalls!
OP: *Never mind. I wrote a brief treatise on how the internet and IP addresses actually function, but I decided that since the OP is too gorram stupid to follow his own advise and research the subject, (Movies about hacking from the 1980's doesn't count as research), I wouldnt give away MY hard earned knowledge for less than 100,000,000ISK*
There could be two people in my house. We would not both be able to play at the same time if your stupid idea came into effect.
Read....
http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html
Your little internet gnome clearly doesnt know how to port forward. He is still less of an idiot than you are because he got *MOST* of his explaination correct. |
Lucas Avidius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.09 00:41:00 - [ 41]
I have multiple accounts. This character is 3 years old, but that's not enough time to train everything he needs to support his habits, so I got more accounts and use alts to do other things.
My multiple votes count more than your single vote in the one place it matters: CCPs wallet.
Further, read an actual article about NAT. I have a desktop and a laptop behind my gateway, and more than occasionally a friend comes over and browses from my wireless as well. If we all want to play eve, who are you to tell us we all have to have unique IP addresses?
You dont like alts? Dont play Alts Online.
P.S. Can I have your stuff? |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.09 00:45:00 - [ 42]
Originally by: Lacaius
The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network.
Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about...
Take your own advice. You obviously have barely any understanding of network architecture. All of my computers (5), plus my two internet-capable consoles (2) are all networked together and all appear to have the same external address on the internet. If I go to www.whatsmyip.org from any computer on my network, it will tell me the exact same IP address. Only within a local network can each computer be said to have its own address. On the internet, whole networks can share one IP address. So as far as Eve is concerned, all computers on a network may have the same IP address, and that could include hundreds of computers. Read up on network address translation and port forwarding. |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.09 00:48:00 - [ 43]
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 09/07/2009 00:49:11 Originally by: Lacaius
Originally by: Idocrase
http://ask-leo.com/my_work_and_home_computers_have_the_same_ip_address_how_do_i_fix_that.html
Read the second paragraph of your own link.
I'm starting to think you might have difficulty with that, so let me quote it right here:
Quote:
Except that the rule is incomplete. It's actually very common for two computers to have the same IP address. In fact, I'll bet that thousands of computers around the world have the same IP address as the very computer I'm typing on.
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Idocrase |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:49:00 - [ 44]
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Lacaius
The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network.
Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about...
Take your own advice. You obviously have barely any understanding of network architecture.
All of my computers (5), plus my two internet-capable consoles (2) are all networked together and all appear to have the same external address on the internet. If I go to www.whatsmyip.org from any computer on my network, it will tell me the exact same IP address. Only within a local network can each computer be said to have its own address. On the internet, whole networks can share one IP address.
So as far as Eve is concerned, all computers on a network may have the same IP address, and that could include hundreds of computers.
Read up on network address translation and port forwarding.
Dont TELL him. Let him pay 100mill ISK for me to tell him! C'mon, I need it! |
Kewso |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:53:00 - [ 45]
1 mac address per acct ftw
woot
\o/ |
Idocrase |
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:55:00 - [ 46]
Originally by: Kewso
1 mac address per acct ftw
woot
\o/
MAC addresses repeat more often than IP addresses. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam |
Posted - 2009.07.09 01:55:00 - [ 47]
...  |
Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2009.07.09 02:10:00 - [ 48]
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Lacaius |
Posted - 2009.07.09 02:24:00 - [ 49]
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Lacaius
Originally by: Lacaius
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum.
Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played. Buying with an account with the intention to trade myself is rediculous, only used for monetary gain. why cant you work as hard as u did with the other account?..
i was thaking someone else who agreed that this would be a good proposal...Y would i agree with myself?
Im hoping it doesnt get flamed, but sadley there aren't many dedicated gamers these days for a petition such as this. I appreciate your agreeance.
Forgot to switch characters when you posted in agreement of yourself?
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Lacaius |
Posted - 2009.07.09 02:26:00 - [ 50]
Originally by: Maxpie
Your suggestion will be flamed to the seventh circle of hell, but I must agree. Eve would be a much better game if it was one account per person and one character per account. Hiding behind alts is weaksauce, but almost everyone does it sadly.
Im hoping it doesnt get flamed, but sadley there aren't many dedicated gamers these days for a petition such as this. I appreciate your agreeance. |
Bo'Tox |
Posted - 2009.07.09 03:16:00 - [ 51]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
I demand that just some days old noobs shouldn't post their crap in GD and if they do get banned for dampfplaudern.
I have no idea what that word means and I still agree with you! |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.09 04:26:00 - [ 52]
How the Internet, IP Addresses work; (For Dummies)
_______ _______ _______ _______
| | | | | | | |
|Comp 1 | |Comp 2 | |Comp 3 | |Comp 4 | _
|_______| |_______| |_______| |_______|_____|_| - Wireless Receiver/Transmitter.
\ | /
\ | /
\ | /
\ | /
Ethernet - \ | /
Connection \ | /
To Router \ | /
(Or Modem) \ | /
\|/ . - Wireless Antennae.
______|_
|________| - Router (or Modem).
Comp 1 IP Address - 192.168.16.70
Comp 2 IP Address - 192.168.16.75
Comp 3 IP address - 192.168.16.80
Comp 4 IP Address - 192.168.16.72
Router Internal Address - 192.168.16.1
Router External Address - 80.50.200.154
Now that the diagram is out of the way, let me explain; The Computers within the network all need an IP address of their own, so that any inter-network file sharing can be done and that the router can tell each computer from the next. This IP address is usually similar to the IP address used to access the routers configuration page (Though occasionally they use a proper HTTP address i.e HTTP://Routerconfig.net) Many computers all over the world, may share an Internal-Network IP Address, as this has Zero importance to anything beyond the router (or modem). As anything to do with the actual internet and not your little network, uses the Routers IP Address which then forwards things to the Internal-IP Address that initially requested the data. Likewise, anything that views your network will ONLY EVER see the router IP address. And because of this, any computer on your network may as-well have this single IP address. If one of them was bad and got banned from a website/game, all of the computers on that network would no longer be able to connect to said website/game. Also said website/game cannot tell if 6 computers are viewing the website/game from that IP address or just one computer. So that brings us to my point; Eve cannot tell whether the 3 clients connecting from the single IP address is one, two, or three people. They cannot tell if the 20+ clients connecting from one IP is a sweatshop or a college/apartment network. And if they banned that IP, all users would be unable to connect despite the fact they did nothing wrong. Oh and all of this is assuming that said router is accessing the internet with a Static IP address, and not a Time-limited Leased/Dynamic IP, in which case as soon as the new IP is assigned they can reconnect and whoever else the ISP assigning the Dynamic IP's gets said banned IP would now be unable to connect. In conclusion: Stop lecturing other people about network administration and inner-workings, 9/10 of the things you have posted here are wrong/miss-guided assumptions after a half-assed google attempt, and this does not bode well in an internet argument about spaceship pixels. |
xBLACKNOVAx
Black Nova Investments
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Posted - 2009.07.09 04:40:00 - [ 53]
Stupid idea is stupid.1- It would lower CCP's income thus resulting in less resources being available for the maintenance and future development of Eve. I for one like content filled expansions. 2- It would penalise whole groups of people like those who want to play at work, college, university e.t.c. One person logs in and the rest have to wait until he has logged off before they get their turn  . 3- People would find a way around the IP ban, for instance I have regular internet, mobile internet and my neighbours are not too clever with their wireless network security. So I could have my two laptop computers and my desktop computer running all at once, running 3 different accounts nicely. Now you may say having 3 different computers is stupid and nobody would go to the trouble but I have had two of them running together a number of times. 4- Many people "if not the majority" have multiple accounts, so all the years they have put into the development of these accounts would be suddenly flushed down the toilet, all because a minority believe that one player should be limited to one account. I smell a troll, however I have heard this being mentioned in the past and basically it is crap, it's part of the game and always has been. If you don't like it then you are free to close your account and go find something else to do. |
Dragon FireX |
Posted - 2009.07.09 04:41:00 - [ 54]
Edited by: Dragon FireX on 09/07/2009 04:50:00My ip address is 192.168.1.102. Anybody else have the same?  |
Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.09 05:06:00 - [ 55]
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.07.09 05:43:00 - [ 56]
Moved to " Features and Ideas Discussion ". |
Leocadminone |
Posted - 2009.07.09 05:53:00 - [ 57]
Edited by: Leocadminone on 09/07/2009 06:06:03 Originally by: Lacaius
Originally by: Leaving Eve
Originally by: Lacaius
Every computer has a different i.p. address
Quote:
Consider your comment that "Every computer has a different i.p. address". If my family of 100 are all using their own computers behind my one modem, that's 100 computers which admittedly have their own ip addresses in respect of my subnet but externally they would all share the same ip address, that of my gateway.
limiting accounts by ip address could offline entire campuses, home networks, apartment WANs, sweatshops, etc.
The internet is one giant network of computers, and it's absolutely true that no two computers on the internet can have the same IP address. It's the IP address that tells one computer from another on a network.
Look it up and research information before you sound like you know what your talking about....
I won't get into the whole NAT thing - though the concept has been around as "IP Masquerade" for longer than the 15 years I've been using it on my personal network.
There are far too many cases of multiple PEOPLE on "one IP address" for this idea to have any merit at all. From my personal experience, at one point a few years back I had *5* folks living in one house ALL of which played WoW (there was a 6'th person on the LAN but they weren't a WoW player). CURRENTLY, myself and my GF share home and LAN and we both play Eve.
I've also seen situations on college campuses where "one IP address" was shared by hundreds of people, and have heard of others where THOUSANDS of people shared "one IP address".
I've also seen LAWSUITS for breach of contract happen where one person was effectively banned due to an "IP ban" when THEY had done nothing wrong, but someone else on that IP was the actual target.
Then there is the DHCP issue. MOST non-corporate IP addresses are DYNAMIC - you lose connection, your IP address probably CHANGES (this is a PITA for those of us that have to manage Port Forwarding on a dynamic IP connection). There have been cases where one IP was banned, but it was a dynamic one, and someone ELSE using that IP leter was impacted by the ban and SUED over being banned for no reason (I KNOW someone that won such a lawsuit, and was a witness at the trial).
There is no viable way to enforce "one account per IP" and TRYING to do so will lead to multiple Breach of Contract lawsuits against CCP.
There is also the factor of many folks that own multiple accounts - which is PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE in every MMORG I have ever played and is actively encouraged in some cases. No way that CCP can afford the revinue loss from driving those accounts away (which IMO is why CCP does not make any noticeable effort to police Bot Miners, and IME routinely blows off petitions about obvious Bot Miners).
Bottom line - bad idea, major legal issues about even trying to impliment, and not enforceable without incurring financial issues AND major insoluble legal issues.
Won't happen.
If this was a GOOD idea, Blizzard would have been doing it a lot more often in World of Warcraft. In FACT, they have made a point of specifically avoiding it - despite being able to afford a MUCH better and bigger legal team than CCP can afford. This should be a hint....
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2009.07.09 06:02:00 - [ 58]
Originally by: Lacaius
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Or you could buy yourself a second account, you lazy bum.
Or i could not be lazy and play a game how it is supposed to be played...
You know that CCP actively promote multi-accounting, right? |
XDSKIRBYKIA
Two Easy
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Posted - 2009.07.09 06:54:00 - [ 59]
OP you have no knowledge of how the internet and network addressing accuttly works.
Your idea is stupid.... and COMPLETLY UN-ENFORCEABLE!.
VPN's, Proxies, ect ect ect.
So in closing what you ask,
IS:
Stupid,
Not Possible,
Ohh and STUPID.
Immpossible to Enforce.
Dont forget Stupid :).
Lmfao. |
Khalia Nestune
Mad Stacks
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Posted - 2009.07.09 07:05:00 - [ 60]
This is the most awesomely bad 'feature' I've seen proposed yet.
"Hey, I don't like people with more money than me. Can you limit your profits and **** off most of your userbase in order to make satisfy my feeling of fairness?"
Dear OP,
If you want a game that gives a flying **** about fairness, Eve is not your game. Good bye. |
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