Posted - 2009.07.06 20:21:00 - [32]

 

Edited by: Shilok on 06/07/2009 20:32:09

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3 months of fighting and for a 'carebear' alliance that would be steamrollered in 2 weeks, We held our own.

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I keep seeing this and its BS that you tell yourself when you can't face reality. Facing reality is the number one problem that lead IRC down the path of destruction just over a year ago.

You guys "Held your own" against a depleted RA force. The moment numbers were remotely even (when the NC small alliances helped) you lost stations and were soundly defeated (losing a Titan) and had to call in Solar Fleet to save you. If Solar Fleet had not some...RA would and Co would have already been in control of most of ER. Refute that all you like but everyone who is based in reality knows its true.

The second you guys faced a real PvP threat you folded like lawn chairs.

The other night when Atlas was up to help save you was a classic example of the complete level of incompetence of IRC leadership and FCing. You outnumbered Goons and Xdeath by a serious number and still lost all the towers, two stations and an entire BS fleet, why? Because no one bothered to tell Atlas towers were coming out of reinforced and they said..."You're kidding us?" And then left you to your fate.

I am still astonished at the level people in IRC refuse to acknowledge the reality of their situation, their leadership and their future.

If you doubt my words, how about those of current IRC leadership?

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Originally Posted by [AWE] Soleil AWE Command

It's just part of the game. If the game were easy to keep and hold space, it would be boring.

I'm proud of IRC and ED. We are one of the best fighting forces in eve now, one that made a huge impact in the great war. Well regroup, take a break from the fighting and the constant struggle to maintain infrastructure, iron out some of the issues we encountered, make some money and get new ships, then go after space and make another huge impact on eve.

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No basis or foundation in reality, even a little bit.

Posted - 2009.07.07 06:22:00 - [34]

 

Edited by: claritalia on 07/07/2009 06:34:24
Shilok : I am still astonished at the level people in IRC refuse to acknowledge the reality of their situation, their leadership and their future.

If you doubt my words, how about those of current IRC leadership?

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Originally Posted by [AWE] Soleil AWE Command

It's just part of the game. If the game were easy to keep and hold space, it would be boring.

I'm proud of IRC and ED. We are one of the best fighting forces in eve now, one that made a huge impact in the great war. Well regroup, take a break from the fighting and the constant struggle to maintain infrastructure, iron out some of the issues we encountered, make some money and get new ships, then go after space and make another huge impact on eve.

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No basis or foundation in reality, even a little bit.

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On the Contrary most of the foot soilders in IRC/ED knew and Know what temporarily saved us. We knew we had some bad FCing and some bad leadership calls so you my sir are not saying anything new.

But what you dont understand is that we are giving each other credit for staying and fighting even when times were bad, even after our leadership lost all the alliance dreads and titan parts do to a slimeball in your corp. After all the miscues that we had doing our 6 month long or so war, most of us were still willing to fight. So No we didnt fold when we met a real pvp alliance and by the way are u refering to Xdeath ? What happen is just everything finally caught up to us. When bob pulled we knew that it was only a matter of time before the Goonies raised its ugly head. Would Xdeath have attacked us without goonies help. I personnaly dont think so You kept us blue the entire time while goonies were fighting. at any moment you couldve tried to come save RA space, but You didnt want another front to fight on and were in the same time zone as RA so it wouldve caused a headache.

So please spare me the BS about how we dont know reality. Most of IRC players live in United states , so even if a small NC US timezone alliance came down to help it would hurt us. because we couldnt fight in 2 time zones. I for one have a job and have to sleep so not sure about RA or Xdeath living in russia but umm... dont work well for US workers. Its was all about time and ours ran out. But so will yours maybe not now or tomorrow but it will, and when it does how will you react ? Will you scream shout and cry , will you metagame your new alliance like your corp did to irc after you were paid for a station. Will you throw a temper tandrum and moan and cry for your moms (TITT). If that is your reality, I sir would prefer to be delusional. We lost, We accept it. But by no mean should we hold our heads down or beat a dead horse dogging out our leadership, FCs, or any other folks who paid money for a game and helped us fight.

Posted - 2009.07.07 07:45:00 - [36]

 

Originally by: BiaXia

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It would have been smarter just to get out, you know. You at least would have managed to keep some assets, now you only leave with your hounoure.

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Actually Im getting out every last tidbit right under your noses.

Posted - 2009.07.07 08:05:00 - [38]

 

Originally by: marxist revolutionary

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Originally by: 128th ABC123

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Actually Im getting out every last tidbit right under your noses.

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- oldma, july 4 2009

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Is my name Oldma? I bolded the part that mattered in the post above...

Posted - 2009.07.07 09:08:00 - [40]

 

Originally by: 128th ABC123

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Originally by: marxist revolutionary

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Originally by: 128th ABC123

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Actually Im getting out every last tidbit right under your noses.

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- oldma, july 4 2009

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Is my name Oldma? I bolded the part that mattered in the post above...

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Yeah, you don't get the joke. I'll give you a hint, it involves a covops without an MWD. Some blueprints may have been involved, maybe.

Posted - 2009.07.07 09:21:00 - [42]

 

Originally by: 128th ABC123

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Originally by: marxist revolutionary

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Originally by: 128th ABC123

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Actually Im getting out every last tidbit right under your noses.

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- oldma, july 4 2009

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Is my name Oldma? I bolded the part that mattered in the post above...

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img-joke-flying-over-head.jpg

Posted - 2009.07.07 09:38:00 - [44]

 

Originally by: 128th ABC123

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Originally by: BiaXia

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It would have been smarter just to get out, you know. You at least would have managed to keep some assets, now you only leave with your hounoure.

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Actually Im getting out every last tidbit right under your noses.

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AHAHAHA NOOBS UR NOT KILIN ME HARD ENUF LOL U SUX I EM ABLE TO ESCAPEZ GOON SAWK.

Don't worry, where goons fail the kind people at Exalted will do our very best to get full satisfaction.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:21:00 - [46]

 

Edited by: Panzram on 07/07/2009 11:22:44
[HURF]I've heard some of your ventrilo recordings and i dont think you guys have terrible FC's. They might not be tactical geniuses but no amount of tactical brilliance could have saved you from what was gross intelligence, strategic and diplomatic incompetence.
Picking your battles means not only engaging over critical assets and territory but also not engaging when it serves no purpose. The best FC in the world can't help his allaince in a battle, or war, they shouldn't be in (or have started).
We never told your leadership it was ok to attack RA.
They never had the political cover or diplomatic muscle to get away with it. It was never gonna be ok.
We don't really dislike you guys the way we hated Kengoku or the way we look down upon and shall soon euthanize Atlas. I hope too many of you don't stop playing. I'm looking forward to shooting at you while you flee to empire. [/HURF]

edit- there is probably gonna be some space in the south vacant pretty soon. Have you ever been to Omist?

Posted - 2009.07.07 18:43:00 - [48]

 

props to ED for sticking it out till the very end! not many other alliances would stick with a sinking ship like you guys did, shows class.
IRC (with a couple of exceptions) have fun in wherever you go.
AWE and oldma/dirb getting what they deserved. ordering your alliance to shoot blues is not cool, and i am REALLY enjoying watching you fail. though, has oldma logged back in since dropping the BPO pinata?
im also of mixed emotions about this. i have used a lot of time and resources to making AWE corp pay for being tards, im not sure what im going to do when they are finally gone.....

Posted - 2009.07.07 20:32:00 - [50]

 

It gets better. They claim to have a shadowy spy syndicate that stole billions including supercaps from those awful Russians but have no screen shots or proof!

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Originally Posted by [EOG] Rikeka
Well, just to clarify from the start, IRC HC had no idea what we were up to (not till we presented our first results to some members, at least).
Nor ever gave us permission to do it. So no e-honour whining here, please.

The story starts on a roaming gang, around Insmother, back when RA and others were still blue. While passing through, we noticed how easily the reds in front of us were completely on us, and easily avoiding the ganks. We though this was thanks that because while many people we had blue were giving us "o/" in local, they were also at the same time reporting us on their intel channels, channels we believed were shared by our reds. So, cause of the lack of targets, we started paying less attention to the Vent discipline and more to the general random chatter of our gangmates. Beers started running (LAN buddies ftw, been told) and some random chatter regarding metagaming started, and how to counter it.

The idea started as as a way to counter red metagaming on us. And by "counter" I mean try to do the same thing on them. For this, we kept the group tight small (we were never more than 25 peeps, and some of us only logged for the ops, so we were normally much less). Because the group first real job was to act against RA+renters, we got help from many russian speaking guys from other alliances (a thing we completely lacked when some of our members left IRC before the RA war started).

I'll be the first to admit that we were a bit too disorganized at first, and because of this we got counter-scammed many times by some reds (the one I'm most ashamed, is when we helped a RA dude steal some of his corps carriers, idea was to give us half of them, we provided the cyno-net... basically at the end we only got 1 carrier, the one he used on the first trip and kept all others. So we then created and used an alt, and ratted him out to his corpmates after that). After some other screw-ups like this, some other guys took over, and the general idea of the group was changed from "Get what we can" to "Get what we can, as long as we don't get caught", which worked pretty well. So, idea was to act without leaving traceable logs behind. A thing we, ehh, not always obeyed. You have to understand the idea was to act as sleeper agents, and see how up the ladder we could climb on those alliances. But we were tempted a number of times, and I'm sure we left logs behind us, but why we were never caught, I dunno. Sheer luck, I presume, rather than skill.

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Posted - 2009.07.07 20:33:00 - [52]

 

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Out total haul is about 210-250b ISK. Assets and ISK were distributed evenly among all members, even those not very active. Supercaps are included in the figure, but have not been properly moved out yet (EDIT: They should be moved by now). T2 ships were give to pvp'ers based on what they could fly, but once the XIX war started, only some saw action back home. Some members gave their share to their corps (we dunno if it was a condition of them doing this or not, we don't care). For the record, our only clear rule was to not scam IRC/ED friends (which included XIX at first). Members of other alliances were contacted by us, and provided cyno-alts for some of the thefts, and many friends were done this way, and some later became "members" (yes, sounds gay)

Now that IRC and ED are evacuating, some sort of standings reset may happen. Due to this, the group most likely will split in different directions, but we'll always have IRC/ED at heart. Ops will continue depending on how many people are left behind, and who we targeting (and if everyone agrees). We are pretty confident on our covers and work, and this only works thanks to that we learned to trust each other, and keep the rest of the alliance at dark, a thing we always regretted, though, cause some of us like to showoff (i'm being honest)

Official ops started around the end of April, and have officially ended now. :'(

[EDIT] Just Rik here, small footnote. I'm officially out, so don't expect any more updates till someone else takes over the "Slave Writer" postmaker position... Yes! No more "Is the draft finished, Rik? Let me read it, let me read it!" every fricking 5 minutes. But jokes aside, I'm a bit tired of EVE crap and politics, and I'll stop taking it so damn seriously..

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No proof and now I am leaving and can't ever talk to you again so i don't have to prove it.

Posted - 2009.07.07 22:23:00 - [54]

 

I too, got scammed by IRC's secret thieves guild.

Posted - 2009.07.07 22:50:00 - [56]

 

Seriously, Shilok. You can't stop the hate, dude. Why would I lie? You can ask around and check for yourself anyway, since you have access to all IRC corps, you said. We were lucky RA was on a tight spot, but even then we got corp and personal type-assets, nothing nailed to a station, but much more could have been acquired considering the POS mess Insmother was (well, actually still is). The only thing I would change in what I end up posting in our forum, is that it was not distributed as evenly as said before, but that's a dead issue now. Well, that, and that total haul ISK figure, nor that I really care now...

As I posted somewhere else, I probably may end up leaving EVE anyway (though master finals were delayed thanks to the H1N1 flu outbreak last week). So why the **** I care about flying spaceships game lies? Seriously, leave the posting to Farham, at least he owns me with his "Dude, I was HC, I know about it more than you do" logic.

As for proof, dig it up yourself. Ask around with your IRC alts or whatever, and you'll get some screens. It was not me that brought this to public eye, I have nothing to deny or confirm. If I end up posting something or commenting about it, it won't be here anyway.

IRC was a nice experience while it lasted, and I met some really cool guys here.
Good luck to our reds, to the EXALTED L4X-Skarkon lovers (and Intigo always scouting ahead on his dictor), to ED and the old ZZ5/G-Q campers, and to the rest of our old and new neighbors. And even bye to the old TITTS dudes. They were once cool guys, and I probably never got the full story anyway.

Posted - 2009.07.07 23:07:00 - [58]

 

goon sire,

i;m from gbs. u have my 5s. epic win :P

Posted - 2009.07.08 01:46:00 - [60]

 

Rikeka, I am hurt that you don't know who I am.

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As for proof, dig it up yourself. Ask around with your IRC alts or whatever, and you'll get some screens. It was not me that brought this to public eye, I have nothing to deny or confirm. If I end up posting something or commenting about it, it won't be here anyway.

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See, that isn't how it works. When you say you did something you offer up proof in EVE or 10 out of 10 times it is complete BS. Ever notice the Goonies and others have ample screenshots of their work? Kind of like all the BPOs they picked up from Olds wreck or the Saba worksheet and screenies.

You say you stole 200 billion isk yet offer no proof that you stole 10 isk.

Hey, whatever works for ya man. You were never someone I had any problems with while in IRC but I will call BS when I smell it.