Posted - 2009.06.27 19:59:00 - [2]

 

Join a corp and stop pretending eve is single player.

Posted - 2009.06.27 20:25:00 - [4]

 

Edited by: Viule Sawyr on 27/06/2009 20:28:42

My main is a PVPer and in a corp.. The miners are simply a way to make ISK, and to try out other parts of EVE. I for the most part only use them to make my ISK. I was toying with the idea of putting them in a 00 corp or something, but honestly I don't really want to put the time into that.

I just use them when I'm bored and low sec is slow. Even with a mission runner I could make more plus have more chances of PVP if I stuck him in a null sec corp. I could Rat in 00, get in on some PVP then jump clone to empire for missions.

I'm pretty much just trying to figure out a reason not to sell them off, because everything I can think of leads to a mission running toon and the need for only 2 accounts vs 4.

Now on the flip side if I could see a drastic increase in null sec with the ABC's I might have a go with it. However I have no clue what corps/alliances I'd need to look towards. I pretty much stick to low sec with my PVP toon and don't get into any of the null sec politics other than going out there looking for kills.

Posted - 2009.06.27 21:34:00 - [6]

 

Originally by: Musagetes

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Originally by: Viule Sawyr

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Other than the obvious maxing out my mining skills is there anything I'm missing that could greatly increase my income for my little operation?

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Sadly, the cold and iron-solid fact is that mining in Empire space is next to pointless, there just isn't any point other than killing time and working hours on end for pocket change. What the reason for this is can of course be debatable, I'm guessing it's a result of the growing popularity of businesses selling in-game MMO money for real money, thus fuelling a rabid zerg of "macro miners" and "gold farmers", effectively destroying the market for the rest of us.

Maxing your mining skills is of course obvious, but as has already been mentioned, one way to get filthy rich as a miner is joining a corporation holding 0.0 systems that give you access to the valuable ores. In the same nature, you can join a corporation that is dabbling in wormhole space. If you however enjoy minding your own business and not worry about corporation responsibilities, you can either ally yourself with a combat/scanner friend or train one of your characters to be such and find low-class wormholes. Find a wormhole entry in highsec, fly in, clear the grav sites and start digging the precious arkonor, bistot and crokite in there. Exercising a bit of precaution, it's not that risky, and can be very lucrative. Much, much more lucrative than mining for petty cash in high sec.

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Yes, I was looking into the WH's as an alternative. I decided about a month or so ago that the high sec mining just wasn't paying what I was hoping it would. As such I started working on my shield tanking skills so I could beef up my Hulks/Orca and eventually train for Drakes/Ravens to be able to survive in WH space.

I started seeing draw backs to this plan because it would require me spending a bit more time dealing with logistics and adding more "grind", to be able to make the most out of WH runs.

I guess if I tossed them in a corp or something, it would make the logistics parts much easier. I'm just trying to avoid the aspect of having to put time in for a corp as these aren't meant to be my main toons. Just a way to make my ISK and do something different..

Posted - 2009.06.27 22:29:00 - [8]

 

Originally by: Viule Sawyr

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I started seeing draw backs to this plan because it would require me spending a bit more time dealing with logistics and adding more "grind", to be able to make the most out of WH runs.

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Absolutely, the logistical part of wormhole ventures are the real hurdles, but considering you have an Orca, it's basically just a matter of filling it with ore, flying it to the wormhole exit and dump it in a station outside, that's it. The real logistics come when you want to move the ore from whatever system the wormhole was in to a station you have better standings with for lossless refinement, but that's easily done with a Freighter and the autopilot button. :)

But you're right, it does require a lot of extra work to mine in wormholes, but I don't find it to be that overwhelming, and anything is better and more exciting than grinding veldspar in highsec to just barely be able to pay for your alts with the ISK. Wouldn't you agree? :)

Posted - 2009.06.28 03:04:00 - [10]

 

Edited by: Viule Sawyr on 28/06/2009 03:05:12

Originally by: Vilgan i'Lakin

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only macros and new players mine in empire imo. Or crazy people I guess.

Get access to good ores via WH or via a 0.0 corp or sell off your toons. I don't know that I'd worry about getting ore out via orca... an orca fills up crazy fast. Just set up a wormhole pos with a refinery and focus on a/b/c ore and gas. Even losing the 75% via refinering, arkonor is still like 40 million isk per hour per miner. Its also a lot easier to just sit on one roid than to constantly retarget like you do on veld. Log on, scan, mine ore if its there, log off. Every 2 weeks, make a run to highsec to sell minerals/grab fuel and your good.

Obviously getting a system that is sort of deep in and doesn't constantly connect to k-space is a good thing for mining safety.

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Well if the ABC's are that profitable then I guess I'll be going to null sec or WH space. I knew they made more but didn't think it was that much more. If I could pull anything close to 30 or 40mil/hr with each miner then I'd for sure keep them.

The reason I was thinking of selling them, is because I'm just not making enough with them to make me happy. If I can increase by anything close to what you stated then I'll be happy.

Posted - 2009.06.28 05:48:00 - [12]

 

Are you mining only Veld? that could be part of the problem, remember that Scordite has quite a bit of trit so try mining that as well, it will mean more time in the belt so less time you hulks aren't mining.

Are you using mining Drones? especially with Tech 2 these can be a huge boost to your mining yield, 5 drones (with max skills) are almost the equivalent of a strip miner, have 3 hulks and an Orca out there all with mining drones and you pretty much have an extra Hulk mining alongside you.

Have you tried mining mission ores? and by that I mean Kernite/Omber. you can easily sell these for 200+ ISK p/u meaning that even a small haul of 50,000 units is going to sell for 10,000,000 ISK. I've sold kernite for as high as 500 ISK p/u so that small amount of 50,000 would sell for 25,000,000 ISK. 50,000 units of omber/kernite won't take you very long at all to mine with 3 boosted hulks and drones.

(Kernite equals 1.2m3, 50,000 units equals 60,000m3, strip mining at a rate of 1,700m3 per cycle will only take you 35 cycles, with, effectively, 13 strip miners going (3 per hulk, plus 1 per 5 drones) that's only going to take 3 cycles each. Omber, which is 0.6m3, is only going to take you just over one cycle each)

Definitely recommend training up your explorations skills. Tech 1 only needs [racial] frigate II and Astrometrics I (Science III). Tech 2 needs [Racial] Frigate V and Covert Ops I (which I would recommend, plus other relevant skills up to IV). You may find some grav sites some of which will have low sec ores (all but useless) but some may have Omber in them which you can sell as above, and the roids will be pretty big so getting 300,000 units out of it isn't out of the question, selling at 200 ISK p/u for 60,000,000 ISK

Also are you manufacturing? thats they way to pull in the profits, it will take a bit of an investment and take a few weeks/months to get started but depending on what you sell you can easily make 200% profit or more (of course most things won't, most will only go for about 10-30% profit, but still thats 10-30% more then selling straight to market).

Posted - 2009.06.29 02:35:00 - [14]

 

Edited by: Viule Sawyr on 29/06/2009 02:35:55

Originally by: Baba Ganouche

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Edited by: Baba Ganouche on 29/06/2009 00:38:17
60-day GTCs go for 800 mil, so for you to pay for 4 accounts you need to raise 3.2 billion isk every 2 months, or 1.6 billion per month which is 400 million per week. At 30 million isk per hour, you need to mine for 13 1/3 hours every week to pay for your ability to mine with 4 guys.

Not particularly relevant, I just like math.

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Yea, in short high sec mining sucks. Paying for the accounts with real money doesn't bug me, as long as I'm getting a little fun out of them. I paid for them several months in advance figuring it would take me time to having them start paying for themselves.

I just didn't realize how bad high sec mining paid, otherwise I never would have done it. If I can get them into a nice 0.0 area with the ABC's they will pay out very well. I'm just a bit amazed that an Orca and 2.5 hulk pilots haven't drawn more interest in the recruitment forum.

I guess all those big 0.0 corps have all the ore they need.