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Topic |
Inquisitor William |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:27:00 - [ 1]
Hi I've been reading post about how the drake doesnt pack a punch but it can take a punch is this correct if so is there some way how it can really do some damage?  |
Shura'Sokoris
Gallente
Point of No Return
Waterboard |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:31:00 - [ 2]
Unfortunately, not really. When it comes down to it, a Drake will always tank like a champion but hit like a schoolgirl.
A small, sheltered, preppy schoolgirl.
So, get a Raven. It doesn't tank as well as a Drake, but it does more respectable DPS.
Though, I will ask after all of this, what do you intend to do with it? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.27 01:33:00 - [ 3]
It's quite easy to tweak the damage/tank ratio, but indeed, it's much easier to increase tank rather than increase damage.
It deals less damage than other race's battlecruisers (especially when using heavy missiles), but it deals it at a much better range (even with HAMs).
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panda rider |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:37:00 - [ 4]
yea i would like to use it for null- sec with my friends but there both getting BS and want me to be BC for smaller ships  |
Inquisitor William |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:39:00 - [ 5]
woops replied on wrong toon |
Draulin
Independent Faction |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:42:00 - [ 6]
I use a drake for L4s, may be a bit slower than a CNR, but I don't have Caldari BS or Cruise Missile skill. I can tank so well, however, that I can go AFK in the middle of a mission and come back without worrying about dying. That kind of security makes me confident enough to fit it with all kinds of expensive meta 8/faction items to increase DPS. |
kreat1ELV |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:51:00 - [ 7]
Hmm, your getting bad information here, the Drake has some of the best dps of any batlecruiser and can tear other BCs apart. Having said that you will need good skills and to fit heavy assault launchers for the best dps. Mine can do close on 600dps, dont believe all it can do is tank, thats a load of rubbish.
You can get the 600dps with a 19,000hp buffer tank, MWD and scram. |
Davinel Lulinvega |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:54:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Davinel Lulinvega on 27/06/2009 01:54:09
Fit hams and 3 bcu. Does around 600 dps.
Sounds like you've been talking to passive tanking carebears too much. |
Inquisitor William |
Posted - 2009.06.27 01:57:00 - [ 9]
well i also have gallente BC its a Myrmidon would that or a drake do more damage i have some drone training |
kreat1ELV |
Posted - 2009.06.27 02:03:00 - [ 10]
Myrm can have a nice tank also but i wouldnt be afraid of putting the assault drake up against a myrm and imo the drake wins, the one BC the drake has to be wary of is the Harbinger, |
kreat1ELV |
Posted - 2009.06.27 02:16:00 - [ 11]
One more thing, if your going to be using it in 0.0 for gate camps then you probably want a regular heavy launcher drake, by the time you MWD into range your target is already dead ;)
Make sure you buffer tank your 0.0 drake NOT passive and fit 3 BCUs, will still give very respectable damage, 500 dps including drones with good skills |
Davinel Lulinvega |
Posted - 2009.06.27 02:18:00 - [ 12]
A blaster gank myrm might be able to do a little more dps than a drake but the tiny range of blasters and its low speed make it not worth it. 1v1 a ham drake can probably beat any other bc because it has good dps, range, and massive tank. In gangs harb, drake, and cane are all about equal followed by brutix and myrm. The rest are pretty crappy. |
Inquisitor William |
Posted - 2009.06.27 02:24:00 - [ 13]
well i like long range attacks so would that still be okay with the drake? |
Xianthar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2009.06.27 02:29:00 - [ 14]
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Davinel Lulinvega |
Posted - 2009.06.27 02:32:00 - [ 15]
 Originally by: Inquisitor William
well i like long range attacks so would that still be okay with the drake?
Yes. A drake with heavies has very nice range and damage. |
El Smol |
Posted - 2009.06.27 02:35:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Inquisitor William
well i like long range attacks so would that still be okay with the drake?
[Drake, PVP HMs] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hobgoblin II x5 Yes, I'm cheap and don't want to fit 17mil launchers on it :D And unfortunately T2 launchers would require top skills + implants to fit. If you prefer an AB instead of the MWD you could fit a medium neut/nos in that empty high slot. |
Comrade Bliss
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.06.27 03:50:00 - [ 17]
The Drake is a very nice ship, very good dps especially if you overheat but you need to fit it right, and for that you need very good fitting skills and a powergrid implant.
If you are flying solo or small gangs go for hams, anything bigger and heavies is the way to go.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance |
Posted - 2009.06.27 03:59:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 27/06/2009 04:25:35 Originally by: kreat1ELV
Myrm can have a nice tank also but i wouldnt be afraid of putting the assault drake up against a myrm and imo the drake wins, the one BC the drake has to be wary of is the Harbinger,
i think that is mainly due to that even with a great tank setup the Harby still hits at the weakest resist of the drake. of course the HAM Drake if in close enough and setup right could try to beat the transversal of the harbringer(though id imagine no harby pvp fitter worth their salt would leave the Webby at home). but in short the Drake honestly is a very good general use ship with likely the best possible passive tank on a tech 1 ship in game. and yes it can run L4s while you are half asleep, especially when the frigates and cruisers are gone torps from NPCs are like fleas to the shields. |
Puskarich
Caldari
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple |
Posted - 2009.07.01 08:16:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: El Smol
[Drake, PVP HMs]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x5
Why use thunderbolts given the bonus to kin? |
Shatner19 |
Posted - 2009.07.01 08:25:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Puskarich
Why use thunderbolts given the bonus to kin?
default ammo choice in eft. |
Crusty Juggler
Amarr
Ministry of War |
Posted - 2009.07.01 08:45:00 - [ 21]
A bit of messing about will get you 3 x BCS II's and more oomph.
With my mains skills this gets you something approaching 500dps and 64k EHP although those stats are EFT's not Eve's
[Drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
Warp Disruptor II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Bay Loading Accelerator I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x5
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Dagobert Dog |
Posted - 2009.07.01 09:40:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: Dagobert Dog on 01/07/2009 09:40:46
Dont talk nonsense. The drake deals less damage than any other BC in game. Even with hams its outdamaged by any other BC with short range weapons. 600 dps with short range weapons is not good compared to the other BCs which can easily 800 to 900 dps. |
TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band |
Posted - 2009.07.01 09:58:00 - [ 23]
In theory drakes deal the least damage of the teir 2 battlecruisers. However in practice, they seem to deal just as much if not more because of the nature of missiles vs guns - always hit for full damage and don't have to run into range. |
Ufen Zakalwe |
Posted - 2009.07.01 10:05:00 - [ 24]
The lack of targer painters is disturbing me.
I get a decent gank/tank balance out of a PVE Drake.
3 x Core Defence Field Purger
2 x Large Shield Extender II
2 X Resist thingy II
1 X PWNAGE
1 X Shield Recharger II
3 X BCUII, 1 x Shield Power Relay II
Oh and 7 x Malkuth/Arbalest/XRsomething Heavy Missile Launchers with lovely Scourge missiles.
Chuck some drones in, and sit back and kill things from miles away. Target Paint and Press Fire Button. 4 Salvoes should kill most things. |
Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2009.07.01 11:13:00 - [ 25]
Its only good for PVE agro tanking to level 3. |
Ufen Zakalwe |
Posted - 2009.07.01 11:27:00 - [ 26]
Thats not the case now is it? |
yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2009.07.01 11:39:00 - [ 27]
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2009.07.01 11:40:00 - [ 28]
I wouldn't pvp in a drake. |
Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation |
Posted - 2009.07.01 11:44:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Dagobert Dog
Edited by: Dagobert Dog on 01/07/2009 09:40:46
Dont talk nonsense. The drake deals less damage than any other BC in game. Even with hams its outdamaged by any other BC with short range weapons. 600 dps with short range weapons is not good compared to the other BCs which can easily 800 to 900 dps.
Compare the EHP of other gank BCs with the EHP of a gank drake. (spoilers: the drake has 2-3x as much HP, and it deals its dps from further away than the gank hurricane/brutix/harbinger with short range ammo) I find that drakes tend to deal more damage over the course of a fight simply because they don't get primaried due to huge dps + weak tank combo... |
El Smol |
Posted - 2009.07.01 12:34:00 - [ 30]
Drake is fine. If fitted properly and offensively it has an excellent ~60k EHP buffer and more than enough damage. You can safely ignore those that say it has rubbish damage and its good only for missions. And either hams or hms are fine. Its matter of choice and what you wanna do with it. |
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